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Offline Mr.Entropy

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #465 on: October 08, 2007, 06:32:44 PM »
Please note the seemingly innocent use of the word punch instead of push changes the physical process totally.

May be Mr. Entropy can enlighten you more.

How so? I believe the lawyer is correct.  A punch is a force of short duration -- exactly as we have with the pendulum.  Energy is transferred via a short, but very powerful applied force, and this is entirely consistent with the definition of the word "pulse".

Is there some finess you could add to the definition of "pulse" that makes it clear why a punch doesn't qualify?

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #466 on: October 08, 2007, 07:04:19 PM »
So you see that a top professor at Harvard University has the similar concern and mental attitude as you.  Unless he has a working prototype in his hands, he will not discuss the issue further.  If he accepts the Lead Out  theory without absolute and undisputable proof, he would put his reputation and possibly the entire Harvard University Reputation at stake.

Prof H is too polite to call Prof. Woo an idiot, and ended the conversation quickly to avoid wasting more of his time.

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The fortunate thing is ? there are many working prototypes already - some inside China and some outside China. 

Ah, yes.  The difference between Prof H. and I is that I have hope for overunity.

However, while there may be working overunity prototypes, they do not prove your theory unless your theory is simply that overunity is possible.

If your theory is useful at all, then it makes quantifiable predictions about overunity effects that can be tested.  So far, you have quite annoyingly made testable, quantifiable predictions about non-overunity effects, and untestable, unquantifiable predictions about overunity effects.  If that is all you have to offer, then your theory is useless.

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« Reply #467 on: October 08, 2007, 09:36:36 PM »
G'day Lawrence and all,

I have promised Jeff to be a good boy and keep my sarcasm to myself, so I will confine myself to asking a couple of questions that are bothering me in relation to your "Lead Out Theory"

If I understand your theory correctly, what you are saying is that Newton is wrong when he says that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction.

In effect what you state is that the reaction to an action contains more energy and that the difference between the two can be "lead out" to produce work.

This is one hell of a big statement which is at loggerheads with everything we know and have established by experiment over a very long time regarding these phenomena.

You also have stated elsewhere that there are 4 new forms of energy known to Chinese researchers, presumably Lead Out Energy is one of them.

Which raises the question, what energy are we talking about.

You call it cosmic energy. Are we to understand that we are talking here about something along the lines of "pyramid energy" or "radionics energy", you know the stuff that can only be detected by using a pendulum or a dowsing rod and even then only by specially gifted people.

I am not a physicist as you claim to be. I am only a retired humble engineer (physics major at that) with over 40 years in the field. I have worked with flywheels, levers, gears, pendula etc in the course of my work. I also consider myself a rather observant man when it comes to machinery. It amazes me to learn from you that I have failed all these years to observe even a shadow of the phenomena you are talking about. It also amazes me that my teachers at university, both in Germany and Australia have to this day not come to grips with pendulum and flywheel physics and have been teaching us erroneous bullshit. It must be a conspiracy, or we are all idiots (Sorry Jeff)

Hans von Lieven


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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #467 on: October 08, 2007, 09:36:36 PM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #468 on: October 08, 2007, 10:24:00 PM »
Please note the seemingly innocent use of the word punch instead of push changes the physical process totally.

May be Mr. Entropy can enlighten you more.

How so? I believe the lawyer is correct.  A punch is a force of short duration -- exactly as we have with the pendulum.  Energy is transferred via a short, but very powerful applied force, and this is entirely consistent with the definition of the word "pulse".

(*** May be I should have used the word "periodically repeated" instead of the word "pulse" ***)

Is there some finess you could add  to the definition of "pulse" that makes it clear why a punch doesn't qualify?


Dear All,

Let me give an example of how the handling a fast moving object A towards a stationary object B affects the result.

The various ways of handling the situation include:

(1)   Send a missile to destroy object A.  Only the tiny pieces would hit object B.
(2)   Attach a device to object A.  The Device will try to slow object A?s velocity to 0.
(3)   Attach a device to object A.  The Device will push A 90 degrees in direction of motion. This will effectively deflect object A and even turn it 180 degrees without slowing it down.

We can all see that the results are different.

Let me apply the analogy to the Pulse Force required to Lead Out Gravitational Energy in the case of the Pendulum.

(1)   When the Pendulum Bob is at the maximum height position, Pull to give it additional height and/or tension of the string.
(2)   When the Pendulum Bob is at the lowest position with maximum velocity, increase its velocity.  The Pulse Force must be in the direction of the velocity.
(3)   When the Pendulum Bob is at any intermediate position, increase its velocity in its direction of motion.

These three ways will add additional energy to the Pendulum System.

If we do the following:

(1)   When the Pendulum Bob is at the lowest position with maximum velocity, apply a force in the opposite direction to motion (essentially slowing it down), Energy is effectively subtracted from the Pendulum Bob in terms of sound, heat, friction, deformation etc.
(2)   When the Pendulum Bob is at any Intermediate position, decrease its velocity in the direction of motion.  This will have the same effect as in (1).
(3)   The case of changing a Pull to a Push when the Pendulum Bob is at its maximum displaced position is a very special case.  Energy can be added in both situations.

One of the qualifying conditions in the Lee-Tseung theory is that the Pulse Force must be applied at the right time (normally at resonance).  We quoted the case of the swing.  In order for it to swing high, we must push it at the appropriate time.  Otherwise addition of energy will slow it down!

I hope this explanation will clarify the ?required pulse at the right time? in the Lee-Tseung theory.  It is NOT any pulse at any time.

Lawrence Tseung
The pulse in the right direction at the right time leads out gravitational energy.  Any Pulse at any Time is likely to lead out nothing.
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #469 on: October 08, 2007, 10:40:37 PM »
.....

You also have stated elsewhere that there are 4 new forms of energy known to Chinese researchers, presumably Lead Out Energy is one of them.

Which raises the question, what energy are we talking about.
.....

Hans von Lieven



I shall answer this one first as it is the easiest.  These 4 forms of new energy are:

(1) Energy from Still Air
(2) Energy from Gravitation
(3) Energy from Electron Motion (magnetic)
(4) Energy from Electon Motion (Electric or Electrostatic)

Thanks for reading the hundreds of posts in steorn.com.

Lawrence Tseung
Simple direct questions Lead Out easy direct answers

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #469 on: October 08, 2007, 10:40:37 PM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #470 on: October 08, 2007, 10:59:00 PM »
Sorry Lawrence,

This was NOT what I asked. I did not ask where you want to get the energy from. I asked WHAT they are, mechanical energy, atomic energy electric energy, heat or what?

You say they are new FORMS of energy. When queried you tell me where you intend to get it.

I want to know the behaviour of these new forms of energy, how they interact with matter, how they are measured etc. etc.

Please answer the question.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #471 on: October 08, 2007, 11:03:36 PM »

If I understand your theory correctly, what you are saying is that Newton is wrong when he says that every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. (*** That is not what I am saying.  May be you have not understood my theory correctly)

In effect what you state is that the reaction to an action contains more energy and that the difference between the two can be "lead out" to produce work.....

Hans von Lieven



Dear Hans,

Now I shall answer the more difficult question.  The first part is easy.  I never  said that Newton is wrong in stating that action = reaction.

The second part is not about reaction having more energy. 

It is about in some specific situations, a periodically repeated (pulse) force can lead out energy (gravitational or Electron Motion) in oscillating, vibrating or rotating systems. 

In these specific situations, The Input Energy to a defined system must include the Applied Energy + the Lead Out Energy. 

Please do not twist my words.  You are obviously encouraged to apply the Lee-Tseung theory to phenomena of your choice.  That is good science.  However, do not post - Tseung says Newton is Wrong!

Lawrence Tseung
(Pulse = Periodically Repeated) Leads Out  a better understanding of the Lee-Tseung Theory

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #472 on: October 08, 2007, 11:09:57 PM »
if input energy equals applied energy plus lead out energy, where is the gain that you claim??

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #473 on: October 08, 2007, 11:21:32 PM »
Sorry Lawrence,

This was NOT what I asked. I did not ask where you want to get the energy from. I asked WHAT they are, mechanical energy, atomic energy electric energy, heat or what?

You say they are new FORMS  of energy. When queried you tell me where you intend to get it.

I want to know the behaviour of these new forms of energy, how they interact with matter, how they are measured etc. etc.

Please answer the question.

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

Sorry that I misunderstood your question.

I probably confused every one when I stated that there were 4 different new ways to use Cosmic Energy.  I did not imply that  4 new FORMS of energy  had been discovered by me or by Mr. Lee.

We define Cosmic Energy as Energy that is abundant, free, non-polluting and available to us anywhere, any time.  They include Still Air, Water, Gravity, Magnetic, Electric (grouped as Electron Motion) energies.

So I repeat in here.  Tseung did not discover 4 Forms of new energy.  Lee-Tseung discovered ways to use 4 types  of energy. (Still Air, Gravity, Magnetic, Electric).

Hope that answers the question and clears the confusion.

Lawrence Tseung
4 ways to use existing Energy Leads Out  confusion of 4 Forms of new energy.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #474 on: October 08, 2007, 11:24:38 PM »
if input energy equals applied energy plus lead out energy, where is the gain that you claim??

Hans von Lieven

The Lead Out Energy is the Gain. 

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #475 on: October 08, 2007, 11:29:29 PM »
On that you will get no argument from me, man, since times immemorial has relied on nature to supply his needs.

There is nothing new in that, we do it every day.

So what you are saying is that you have discovered new ways to tap into nature's energy flows.

Very good, if true.

Give us a demonstration.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #476 on: October 08, 2007, 11:35:30 PM »
You have me confused, let me clarify.

You claim if you apply say pulses into a system such as a pendulum or a flywheel and if those pulses are in phase with the natural resonance of the apparatus there will be more energy in the system than you put in and this is the energy that you can Lead out.

Is THAT what you are saying?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #477 on: October 09, 2007, 12:37:47 AM »
Hi all,
I can't remember where but i read that avalanches can sometimes fall faster than terminal drop speeds.
Is that true?

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #478 on: October 09, 2007, 01:30:03 AM »
Hi all,
I can't remember where but i read that avalanches can sometimes fall faster than terminal drop speeds.
Is that true?

It is true in the following situation:

(1) A snow ball moves downhill gathering speed.

(2) It hits a stationary object, imparting some of its energy to the object.

(3) The object acquires an initial velocity before "going" or rolling down the hill.

This object indeed can travel well ahead of the snow ball and may even achieve speed faster than free fall.

This may seem off-topic.  But I shall bring it back to the "imparting of energy"  discussions later on.

Lawrence Tseung
Different ways of imparting energy leads out deeper understanding of Physics.  We cannot classify any collision as a Pulse (periodically repeated) Force.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #479 on: October 09, 2007, 01:39:46 AM »
You have me confused, let me clarify.

You claim if you apply say pulses into a system such as a pendulum or a flywheel and if those pulses are in phase with the natural resonance of the apparatus there will be more energy  in the system than you put in and this is the energy that you can Lead out.

Is THAT what you are saying?

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

To be more exact, I am saying:

(1) There is gravitational field surrounding us all the time.
(2) You can use this gravitational energy.
(3) if you apply say pulses into a system such as a pendulum or a flywheel cylinder and if those pulses are in phase with the natural resonance of the apparatus, gavitational energy can be Lead Out.
(4) There will be more energy in the system than you put in.
(5) In the particular case of a pendulum being pulled  by a horizontal force, approximately 1 part of gravitational energy can be lead out when you apply 2 parts of horizontal energy.

The details are already posted from the beginning of this thread.  Please read them carefully.

(Pulse Force = Periodically repeatable force  in this context.)

 

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