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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #330 on: September 24, 2007, 09:03:15 AM »
Dear Hans,

Referring to your post on
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3260.msg51224.html#msg51224

I know that you must be frustrated  without having an actual Over Unity Car, Generator or even a Toy to play with right now.  Hopefully, the wait  should not be too long.  If you cannot wait, please pay a visit to the EBM machine in Hungary now (http://www.gammamanager.com).

As agreed with the Inventors, I can only used published data in this Open Forum, I am going to refer you to the Published Patent Document of Dr. Liang Xingren translated by Ms. Forever Yuen. 

She has consented to do her Forever Yuen Magnetic Pendulum Experiment and the Wang Four Legged Stool Experiment on video.  You can see that she is charming and beautiful.  That should satisfy your doubt ? whether she is real?

I am showing the pointers to the various translated pages of the Liang Patent here.

Page 1
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg45192.html#msg45192
Page 2
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg45197.html#msg45197
Page 3
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg45474.html#msg45474
Page 4
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg45479.html#msg45479
Page 5-7
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg45650.html#msg45650

Please read Page 5-7 of the Liang Xingren patent for the actual Horse Powers, dimensions etc.  In 1993, the engine weighted 635 Kg and generated 92 Horse Power.  In 1997, the engine weighted 211 Kg and generated 144 Horse Power.  In 1998, the engine weighted 28 Kg and generated 188 Horse Power.  These figures are taken from the published China Patent Documents.

If you doubt the Patent Documents, I advise you to wait until the Chao or Liang Cars are actually on the Market.  You can then buy or rent one to test the actual figures.

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #330 on: September 24, 2007, 09:03:15 AM »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #331 on: September 24, 2007, 02:39:45 PM »
Please look at the thread on New Order at:

http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?t=13

"Mr. Tseung, can you describe the New Order for us? Let us assume that there is infinite energy and that Flying Saucer is available."

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #332 on: September 24, 2007, 06:25:33 PM »
Please look at the thread on New Order at:

http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?t=13

"Mr. Tseung, can you describe the New Order for us? Let us assume that there is infinite energy and that Flying Saucer is available."

.....

Mr. Tsueng, no offense, but please stop it with this stuff.  You are not helping or being constructive.  All your arguments are becoming very circular and nonsensical, as you continue to quote yourself but add nothing new.  I read a little of the thread you link, and it is sheer fantasy.  You bounce around from wild ideas about Democracy to flying saucers to god-knows-what.  This is not science.

Your main claim, as I see it, is that at high rotational speeds, applying pulse energy to a flywheel or whatever will produce overunity.  You have yet to substantiate this claim with anything conclusive, and no one has has been able to verify what you say through experiments.  You apply your Lead Out theory to failed devices like the Chas Campbell gravity wheel and just about everything else under the sun, and this does nothing to gain traction for your theory, but quite the opposite.  When the devices you talk about clearly fail to work, it does not say much about Lead Out.

So please, when you have something concrete to show us, we will be all ears, but no more theory.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #332 on: September 24, 2007, 06:25:33 PM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #333 on: September 25, 2007, 12:09:17 AM »

Your main claim, as I see it, is that at high rotational speeds, applying pulse energy to a flywheel or whatever will produce overunity. 

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Dear shruggedatlas,

I know that you are a lawyer trying to understand and argue on Physics Theories.  If I were to argue legal issue with you with my scientific background, I would definitely show much ignorance and misunderstanding. 

But your posts do serve a very useful purpose.  They show the generalization and hence misconception of the whole theory by the layman. 

As Lee Cheung Kin put it: "Why do you want to educate the unknowledgeable and the non-believers?  What good will it serve if they are convinced?  China has accepted the theory and is pouring resources to implement it.  The skeptics will be convinced automatically when the products come out.  Why waste time and energy?"

My answer is: "My posts are to benefit the World.  There will be a mixed open audience.  In the Bible, there was a parable from Jesus on sowing seeds.  Some would fall on rocks; some amongst thorns; some on sand; some would fall on fertile soil and bear fruit."

The correct scientific statement to your one line statement:

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Your main claim, as I see it, is that at high rotational speeds, applying pulse energy to a flywheel or whatever will produce overunity

should be:

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Pulsed Rotation will Lead Out Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy

Thus for the Chas Campbell or other gravity wheel to have a chance to work, they must have certain characteristics:

(1) Have mass concentrated at the rim. The working devices (Wang, Liang, 225 HP Pulse Motor) all use cylinders. Chas Campbell can improve his wheel easily by adding weights at the rim!

(2) A larger wheel effectively has more mass closer to the rim.  Thus Bessler, Newman and EBM used large wheels.  Chas Campbell uses a reasonable size wheel already.  After the improvement in (1), he should go for larger wheels for further improvement if necessary.

(3) The Pulsing Mechanism will have frequency characteristics.  Thus tuning is required.  If someone hit on the right configuration and achieved Over Unity, it is important to replicate exactly.  A better way is to mass-produce a product with exact material, dimensions etc.  (This can wait until a working prototype is verified.)

(4) The Wheel or Circular Motion has the feedback feature.  The Pulsed Rotation Leads Out gravitational energy resulting in faster rotation. The rate of rotation and hence the amount of energy lead out can be increased with an effective increase in the gravitational constant G.  This means Chas Campbell can put magnets at the rim of his wheel to increase the mass.  He can also put some stationary magnets placed at certain angles (possibly with additional shielding) to help to increase the effective G.  Such arrangement is similar to the Wang device and the Sun et al device shown on youtube.

To a lawyer, the above 4 points may mean nothing.  To the top students and professors at Tsing Hua University, they would have provided good guidelines for further research.  To Chas Campbell, they should be a useful revelation.

The CIA or the Like group once told me: ?Keep this top secret.  It may do the World much harm if it falls to the Wrong Hands.?  I do not believe in the CIA or the Like group any more.  I am convinced my posts will benefit the World.  You do not need to read them if my posts annoy or upset you.

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #334 on: September 25, 2007, 12:23:28 AM »
G'day Lawrence and all,

I asked yo a specific question, the above post only gives generalities but answers nothing.

Here it is again.

G'day Lawrence and all,


Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power  in Newton-meter/second (watt)"         
4884.15252      if x =    3


and

The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung


What data lead to this rather wild speculation? What kind of energy are you talking about and how do you arrive at the formula?

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #334 on: September 25, 2007, 12:23:28 AM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #335 on: September 25, 2007, 02:03:36 AM »
G'day Lawrence and all,

I asked you a specific question, the above post only gives generalities but answers nothing.

Here it is again.

G'day Lawrence and all,


Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power  in Newton-meter/second (watt)"         
4884.15252      if x =    3


and

The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung


What data lead to this rather wild speculation? What kind of energy are you talking about and how do you arrive at the formula?

Hans von Lieven

I believe your one specific question  is the underlined.  The specific answer is - data is from the Published Liang Xingren China Patent.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #336 on: September 25, 2007, 03:30:54 AM »
Sorry Lawrence,

What I have seen of that is little more than fanciful speculation. There is no scientific basis to this patent and most others for that matter.

I want to see an experiment that can be duplicated and will verify the data, everything else is a pipedream. Anyone can quote an obscure patent in a foreign language as a source. If you were to believe the hundreds of perpetual motion machines and magnet motors that have been patented as proof and accepted their validity we would not have the kind of technology we enjoy. The patent registers are full of unworkable devices.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #337 on: September 25, 2007, 05:18:17 AM »
Sorry Lawrence,

What I have seen of that is little more than fanciful speculation. There is no scientific basis to this patent and most others for that matter.

I want to see an experiment that can be duplicated and will verify the data, everything else is a pipedream. ***You will be able to buy or rent a Product from China.  The preliminary time is before end of 2008.*** Anyone can quote an obscure patent in a foreign language as a source. If you were to believe the hundreds of perpetual motion machines and magnet motors that have been patented as proof and accepted their validity we would not have the kind of technology we enjoy. The patent registers are full of unworkable devices.

Hans von Lieven

Dear Hans,

I have more confidence in the Liang Xingren patent than many others because:

(1) I spent a day talking to Dr. Liang myself.  There were much good exchange of ideas and experience.  Dr. Liang is much more intelligent than most members in this forum.  He could understand and interact intelligently with me!

(2) Prof. Woo, one of the retired top scientists who helped to develop the Chinese Atomic Bomb, confirmed that he examined the car and drove it.  He was satisfied that it was not a hoax.  He took the information to Harvard and MIT universities in early 2005.  Prof. Woo is working on a Pulse Motor Cosmic Energy Machine himself.  I had confirmation from a friend at MIT that: ?This is worth looking into.?

(3) Lee and I were at Tsing Hua University and confirmed that they did examine the car.  Dr. Liang even had a meeting with the then President of China. The Professors and Researchers agreed that the car moved but could not accept the Dr. Liang theory of Ying-Yang.  If Dr. Liang had said that he could not explain the source of energy and asked for cooperation, he would have already obtained support from the top Academics in the 1990s.

(4) Lee Cheung Kin spent one week working with Mr. Chao Ching San who improved the Liang Car.  Lee drove the car himself.  He took various readings when the car was going downhill, on level road and in climbing up slopes.  He was satisfied that the bank of batteries kicked in only on climbing up slopes.  The engine recharged the batteries on downhill or on level roads.  The most important statement he made was that the charging of batteries was adjustable.  The Officially Certified number of 8.02 KWH per 100 kilometers could be improved to 0 or even negative.  (He had the air conditioning on while driving the car.)  The reason for not fully charging the batteries is political ? getting the car certified as an electric car for production. 

I know that it is frustrating for you not to have a working Over Unity Car, Generator or a Toy to play with now.  If you are in Europe, close to Hungary, please visit the EBM machine  (http://www.gammamanger.com).  My contact in China who went to visit the laboratory was convinced that it was no hoax. 

*** I do not know your background.  If you were a professor at a top university in the World, you might be invited as a guest to visit the Energy Research Laboratories in China.  Lee Cheung Kin saw many prototypes including those of Newman, Bedini etc.  He said that there were teams on every well-known OU inventions.  You can always wait for the actual products. I am stating the facts now.  The Proof will be in the Products. ***

I am glad that your posts give me a chance to clarify the many subtle points.  Please do more.  Ms. Forever Yuen will do her magnetic pendulum and the Wang experiments shortly.  These two experiments will become ?classics? for all Cosmic Energy Research in the future.  We want to benefit the World with our knowledge.

Regards,

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #338 on: September 25, 2007, 05:43:55 AM »
G'day Lawrence,

How many times do I have to tell you, I am not interested in anecdotal evidence and academic credentials, I simply want to see something verifiable.

Very little in the way of usable technology has come from academia. They get their Nobel prizes for explaining what someone else has achieved not for having done it, as a rule.

Tell your people in China, if they exist, to publish an experiment that verifies their claims, and their peers, perhaps even including me, will give them credibility. Until then it is just a lot of hot air.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #338 on: September 25, 2007, 05:43:55 AM »
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« Reply #339 on: September 26, 2007, 05:22:37 AM »
Seeds on fertile land?

Got a phone call from a Provincial Chinese Official.

Official: ?I got your information via the Internet.  The Lee-Tseung theory and the various Cosmic Energy Inventions interested us.  We would like to work with you.?

Tseung: ?You mean that you actually read the posts  on the Over Unity and Forum.go-here.nl?  They are in English.?

Official: ?We have young scientists  who can read and write English.  We tried to contact Dr. Liang Xingren without success.  (He does not use the Internet!) How is you technology compared with his??

Tseung: ?We focus on the theoretical aspects  of Cosmic Energy Machines.  Our theory can be applied to over 100 OU inventions in China and probably another 200 OU inventions Worldwide.  We can explain and improve all these published inventions.  You should contact Lee Cheung Kin as he is in charge of all development within China.?

Official: ?We are aware of Mr. Lee Cheung Kin.  Some of our scientists worked with him years ago in the Military Laboratories.  We shall fly to Hong Kong and discuss possible cooperation opportunities.?

Lawrence Tseung
Internet Posts Lead Out high pulse heart beat from Provincial Officials.

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More seeds on fertile soil?
« Reply #340 on: September 27, 2007, 02:07:13 AM »
From Ash,

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3260.msg51527.html#msg51527

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UPDATED-Typos and grammar is being fixed, Lawrence's info has been added to the Panacea page on Chas, also we will look at time for testing Lawrence Tseung's suggestions and data and report back for te board.

http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/ChasCampbell.htm

Lawrence Tseung
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More seeds on fertile soil?
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #341 on: September 27, 2007, 07:17:38 AM »

My answer is: "My posts are to benefit the World.  There will be a mixed open audience.  In the Bible, there was a parable from Jesus on sowing seeds.  Some would fall on rocks; some amongst thorns; some on sand; some would fall on fertile soil and bear fruit."

That is interesting that you claim to want to benefit the world.  Here is a post you made on Steorn's forum in response to another poster, who expressed an interest in taking your ideas to the next level.  (http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=38371&page=2)

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I have talked to Wang and Lee. They have also consulted their backers including some Chinese Officials.

We are not interested in close door sessions any more. We shall not sign any NDAs after the last CIA or Like wasting of time and destruction of credibility. We can openly discuss the terms on the Internet - in this forum for all to see.

Our terms are:

(1) Any team really interested in investing in the Wang Device must be screened by the Commerical Unit of the Chinese Intelligence. This means the Company or individuals must provide enough background information to pass the security clearance. They must have evidence to show that they could at least invest US$100 million. A sum of US$1 million must be deposited with an International, well known Investment Bank.

(2) They will then be coming to China to see the Wang Device either as individuals or as teams. They will pay for the travel and accommodation expenses themselves (or deducted from the US$1 million deposit). The demonstration will consist of assembling the Wang Device from basic components and checking the electrical energy output. The participants will have a chance to Do It Yourself (DIY). They may take pictures or videos and publish it anywhere including the Internet.

(3) The place for the demonstration will be at Tsing Hua University, Beijing or another place to be specified.

(4) Preliminary discussions can be anywhere in the World. The Final Negotiation will be in China (most likely Beijing) with presence of Chinese Officials. This is already a high visibility project in China.

(5) The above are the collective thoughts of Wang, Tseung and Lee. They do not represent the position of the Chinese Government. If you or anyone else is interested, reply openly in this thread.

Lawrence Tseung
Honest negotiation Leads Out Internet Discussions

So, are you trying to benefit the world, or are you trying to secure $1 million from some sucker before even showing them anything?

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« Reply #342 on: September 27, 2007, 10:33:38 AM »
Reply to the Seeds on Fertile Soil.

Dear Ash,

I have completed my preliminary thoughts  on the Chas Campbell Snooker Ball Device.  I believe that it might work  as two coupling systems.  One is the large wheel (with weights added at the rim.)  That will help to keep a high rate of rotation even if a small amount of energy is drained.

The other is the smaller wheel to lift the balls back to the required height.  The Lead Out energy at high rotational rate may be able to do it.  However, the engineering obstacles are not easy to overcome.

My recommendation is to focus on the working, already demonstrated 225 HP Pulse Motor.  It has the best chance of success at present.  We can all learn much more.

The CIA or the Like group may be upset  but I just treat them as seeds on rocks.

Lawrence Tseung
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #343 on: September 27, 2007, 10:39:27 AM »
LOL

I really think this ground is becoming more "fertile" by the minute.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #344 on: September 27, 2007, 07:59:19 PM »

My answer is: "My posts are to benefit the World.  There will be a mixed open audience.  In the Bible, there was a parable from Jesus on sowing seeds.  Some would fall on rocks; some amongst thorns; some on sand; some would fall on fertile soil and bear fruit."

That is interesting that you claim to want to benefit the world.  Here is a post you made on Steorn's forum in response to another poster, who expressed an interest in taking your ideas to the next level.  (http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=38371&page=2)

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I have talked to Wang and Lee. They have also consulted their backers including some Chinese Officials.

We are not interested in close door sessions any more. We shall not sign any NDAs after the last CIA or Like wasting of time and destruction of credibility. We can openly discuss the terms on the Internet - in this forum for all to see.

Our terms are:

(1) Any team really interested in investing in the Wang Device must be screened by the Commerical Unit of the Chinese Intelligence. This means the Company or individuals must provide enough background information to pass the security clearance. They must have evidence to show that they could at least invest US$100 million. A sum of US$1 million must be deposited with an International, well known Investment Bank.

(2) They will then be coming to China to see the Wang Device either as individuals or as teams. They will pay for the travel and accommodation expenses themselves (or deducted from the US$1 million deposit). The demonstration will consist of assembling the Wang Device from basic components and checking the electrical energy output. The participants will have a chance to Do It Yourself (DIY). They may take pictures or videos and publish it anywhere including the Internet.

(3) The place for the demonstration will be at Tsing Hua University, Beijing or another place to be specified.

(4) Preliminary discussions can be anywhere in the World. The Final Negotiation will be in China (most likely Beijing) with presence of Chinese Officials. This is already a high visibility project in China.

(5) The above are the collective thoughts of Wang, Tseung and Lee. They do not represent the position of the Chinese Government. If you or anyone else is interested, reply openly in this thread.

Lawrence Tseung
Honest negotiation Leads Out Internet Discussions

So, are you trying to benefit the world, or are you trying to secure $1 million from some sucker before even showing them anything?

Not at all, you are just some sucker. What he means is that your claiming to be an investor will not be enough. Given it's the investors who always scam every one, not the inventors this is a most reasonable request. If the invention doesn't work there should not be any problem withdrawing your funds again. Perendev has like a train of wannabe investors ringing at their door.

It's up to you and me to try and obtain some of the intellectual properties though decent and reasonable methods. This type of tech is worth at least 10 million, if it's very efficient or easy to produce the price goes up to many billions of euros.

This topic is about the lead out theory. I'm not interested in reading some suckers complaints about it.

As if anyone would give anything to a complaining person? ROFL

Hey you sucker can I borrow some money from you?

Would you pull out your wallet if the question is phrased like that?



nonsense leads out more nonsense.



 

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