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Author Topic: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory  (Read 1772834 times)

Offline ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2007, 08:29:12 AM »
Phone Call with an Electrical and Electronics Expert

Tseung: "I am interested in whether there are intelligent chips that can be programmed to exhibit the effect of a North Pole, South Pole or No Pole."

Expert: "There are the well known Hall Effect ICs that can be used to detect the presence and strength of magnetic fields.  Why are you asking the question?"

Tseung: "In the Dr. Liang Patent, he quoted China 3001 and China 3008 ICs were used to pulse rotate  a cylinder to generate power.  We have the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory you know about.  Can two chips be programmed to provide attraction or repulsion in theory?"

Expert: "I know you have good background in Computers.  Do you still remember the floppy disk?  The floppy disk uses magnetic technique to record the information. Your credit card also uses magnetic technique to record information. If you imagine two strips of magnetic material close together programmed to exhibit different magnetic poles, you get your attraction or repulsion.  I am not an expert on the China Chipset information as I never buy chips from China."

Tseung: "That is  great information already.  I shall share it with others on the Internet."

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #180 on: August 21, 2007, 08:29:12 AM »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #181 on: August 21, 2007, 09:22:50 AM »
Dear Forever,

Thank you for your translating the first two pages.  I am specially impressed with your interpretation  of the second page reproduced below.

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My (Forever Yuen) interpretation

There can be two cylinders. The inner cylinder can rotate and has one type of intelligent chips. It is also connected to the rotating axle. The outer cylinder does not rotate and contains another type of intelligent chips. ( In a later part of the patent, the two types of chips are refer to as China 3001 and China 3008) These chips are programmed to provide a pulse rotation.

Since the magnetic interaction is very small between two ICs. A large number of ICs are used. They are placed very close to each other.  Assume the magnetic interaction force between ICs is ?X?. Assume the total number of chips of one type is ?N?. Assume the rate of rotation is ?R?. If the diameter of the cylinder is ?D?. The energy is related to D times X times N times R. If typical value N= 700, R = 100 revolution per second, D= 0.5 meter . The total energy would be related to 35,000 times X. Even if the lead out energy is 50% of this amount, that energy is very significant.

This is the reason why a 188 horse power engine can be produced.

Please comment.
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There are two comments I would like to make.  The first one is that the r=100 per second may be too high.  (6000 rpm).  I believe the more correct understanding is that r= 10 per second.  However, each IC may react with 10 other ICs in 1 revolution (If the 700 ICs are arranged in 10 rows).  The resulting number is still 100.

The second comment is that there are at least two more factors involved.  One is the mass of the rotating cylinder.  The other is the gravitational constant g.  The gravitational constant g can effectively be changed with your magnetic pendulum type setup.

Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort.

The Tsing Hua University Professors and Students are the exceptions.  They believed in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory after a half day explanation by Lee-Tseung-Wang.

I shall wait for you to finish translating more pages before additional comments.  Please keep up the good work.

Lawrence

Thank you Lawrence, this is beginning to make more sense now.  Very interesting concepts.  I need to do some research on these ICs to better understand how they would be arranged.  Perhaps someone on this thread has experience with these?

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #182 on: August 21, 2007, 09:40:21 AM »
@Humbugger
I absolutely agree that this patent would not fly in the US or Europe.  The very purpose of a patent document, by definition, is that the invention can be easilly reproduced by someone with experience ("skill in the art") by following precise instructions.  It is not supposed to be a guessing game. 

That being said, the quality of the patent document doesn't provide any conslusions about the invention itself, only a glimps into differences in the western and Chinese patent process.  IF the US patent office would grant me a patent with this level of detail, I would have done it as well!

Regards,
jeffc

These gentlemen are so full of themselves they only think of their postulates as 'Gospel'.
They forget the real world outside is not an 'opera' stage!
The US and European Patent Office will not even consider such things as patentable inventions! That's how far removed these guys are from reality...

cheers
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #182 on: August 21, 2007, 09:40:21 AM »
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Offline jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #183 on: August 21, 2007, 10:05:25 AM »
Phone Call with an Electrical and Electronics Expert

Tseung: "I am interested in whether there are intelligent chips that can be programmed to exhibit the effect of a North Pole, South Pole or No Pole."

Expert: "There are the well known Hall Effect ICs that can be used to detect the presence and strength of magnetic fields.  Why are you asking the question?"

Tseung: "In the Dr. Liang Patent, he quoted China 3001 and China 3008 ICs were used to pulse rotate  a cylinder to generate power.  We have the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory you know about.  Can two chips be programmed to provide attraction or repulsion in theory?"

Expert: "I know you have good background in Computers.  Do you still remember the floppy disk?  The floppy disk uses magnetic technique to record the information. Your credit card also uses magnetic technique to record information. If you imagine two strips of magnetic material close together programmed to exhibit different magnetic poles, you get your attraction or repulsion.  I am not an expert on the China Chipset information as I never buy chips from China."

Tseung: "That is  great information already.  I shall share it with others on the Internet."

Write heads on magnetic media devices like floppy and disk drives.  Hmmm.  The magnetic field produced by modern hard drive heads is quite narrorow compared to floppies and early HDs.  And tape drive write heads are a bit different set of properties as well. 

Is the key here the relatively narrow magnetic fields as opposed to other methods which would create quite wide, perhaps "mushroom" shape fields?

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #184 on: August 21, 2007, 01:28:59 PM »
I found this on "magnetic chips":
http://www.unisci.com/stories/20022/0614023.htm

Intelligent chips are harder; the name is used for
changing CD anbd DVD formats in some odd way.
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« Reply #184 on: August 21, 2007, 01:28:59 PM »
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Offline Humbugger

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #185 on: August 22, 2007, 04:17:44 AM »
@Paul-R: 

Interesting article about a very far out R&D effort on magnetic logic devices at nano-atomic scale.  Not, as described by Mr. Tseung, a device for producing or controlling working external magnetic fields and certainly not a commercial part-numbered device!  Thanks for the neat link, though!

@Ltseung888 et al:

"Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort."  Lawrence Tseung quote

Still no idea what a "Magnetic IC" is from all this.  40 years designing electronic products using (and often finding innovative and unintended uses for) thousands of different IC chips...yet I've never heard of these!  Hall effect IC, sure, understand those...they do not produce controlled external magnetic fields; they simply detect them. 

Could the reference possibly be to simple chip inductors?  These are full of wire turns around ferrite or iron, typically, but I know of none that are "programmable" or "intelligent".  Typically, ICs are bits of silicon with metallization.  Other than the well-known magnetic field that occurs whenever current flows in any conductor, there are no silicon chips I'm aware of that are designed to produce external magnetic fields by themselves, without attachment to some external device like a write head or solenoid or speaker or discrete electromagnet.

There has been a direct statement made that these are a standard part-numbered device pair IC3001 and IC3008 made in China.  All searches for any such devices come up empty or non-related in any way to magnetics.

My questions remain unanswered:  What company makes these devices?  Is there any specific data available?  Are these commercially available devices?

If "Many chip experts know how to program these...magnetic IC's" is a true statement, then they must not be a secret or proprietary device.  Can you please tell us how to get some real manufacturer's data about these mysterious chips?  Simply repeating the same incredible claims a hundred times does not provide the needed information to evaluate and advance the application of this proclaimed new chip technology.

The continued lack of any verifiable source or engineering data specifics despite my repeated polite requests only adds to my skepticism that any such IC exists.  Belief or disbelief is not the issue here.  Making startling claims with zero tangible evidence is.

Humbugger
 

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #186 on: August 22, 2007, 05:14:04 AM »
Hi

Up to where my knowledge is.
Those magnetic chips have to be disturbed by external agent to work.
it is more efficient, doesn't make miracles

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #187 on: August 22, 2007, 10:24:58 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the third page of the Liang patent.  ;D  ;D
There are three pages of description on the workings of the invention.
This is the first of the three pages..


There will be more juicy material to come..  :D

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #188 on: August 22, 2007, 11:39:46 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the fouth page of the Liang patent. ;D

I included my programming logic.  :D

I believe you can do better! :P

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« Reply #188 on: August 22, 2007, 11:39:46 AM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #189 on: August 22, 2007, 11:54:06 PM »
@Paul-R: 

Interesting article about a very far out R&D effort on magnetic logic devices at nano-atomic scale.  Not, as described by Mr. Tseung, a device for producing or controlling working external magnetic fields and certainly not a commercial part-numbered device!  Thanks for the neat link, though!

@Ltseung888 et al:

"Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort."  Lawrence Tseung quote

Still no idea what a "Magnetic IC" is from all this.  40 years designing electronic products using (and often finding innovative and unintended uses for) thousands of different IC chips...yet I've never heard of these!  Hall effect IC, sure, understand those...they do not produce controlled external magnetic fields; they simply detect them. 

Could the reference possibly be to simple chip inductors?  These are full of wire turns around ferrite or iron, typically, but I know of none that are "programmable" or "intelligent".  Typically, ICs are bits of silicon with metallization.  Other than the well-known magnetic field that occurs whenever current flows in any conductor, there are no silicon chips I'm aware of that are designed to produce external magnetic fields by themselves, without attachment to some external device like a write head or solenoid or speaker or discrete electromagnet.

There has been a direct statement made that these are a standard part-numbered device pair IC3001 and IC3008 made in China.  All searches for any such devices come up empty or non-related in any way to magnetics.

My questions remain unanswered:  What company makes these devices?  Is there any specific data available?  Are these commercially available devices?

If "Many chip experts know how to program these...magnetic IC's" is a true statement, then they must not be a secret or proprietary device.  Can you please tell us how to get some real manufacturer's data about these mysterious chips?  Simply repeating the same incredible claims a hundred times does not provide the needed information to evaluate and advance the application of this proclaimed new chip technology.

The continued lack of any verifiable source or engineering data specifics despite my repeated polite requests only adds to my skepticism that any such IC exists.  Belief or disbelief is not the issue here.  Making startling claims with zero tangible evidence is.

Humbugger
 

I've been wondering if the ICs could be similar to RFID components?  RFID tags are certainly programmable.  There are read and r/w versions, passive and active.  The reader component generates RF which hits the tag (transponder) providing both energy to run the rfid circuit and also to communicate.  A magnetic field is certainly created between the reader and tag.  I haven?t done enough with rfid beyond practicle implimentations to understand if it is possible to somehow dynamically vary the polarity of the field.  Perhaps vary the RF. 

Even so, the relative field strength would be low for standard passive tags.  Now the longer range active tags are powered (typically by battery) and therefore must generate a stronger field strength.  But, I still don?t know if there is any advantage using rfid technology in creating a magnetic motor.  The only thing I can think of is that their input power requirements are small. 

Perhaps their efficiency at generating a magnetic field with low current is coupled with whatever arrangement is being utilized by the invention (which I still cannot conceive at this point) to provide overunity.

Of course, all of this would be much easier if we just had a complete list of components and a schematic!  Oh well, I guess that would take all the fun out of speculation and mental gymnastics.

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #190 on: August 23, 2007, 12:36:26 AM »
Perhaps, but I do not see a reason for the "maintained mystery" except possibly to hide the fact that no such ICs actually exist and, like everything else quoted in these "patents", these magic IC3001/3008 devices are just a figment of someone's fantastic and unlimited imagination.

Programmable-field magnetic IC chip claims lead out earnest requests for hard data and name of chip supplier.

Said earnest requests lead out only endless further incredible claims and avoidance of the questions.

All of the above leads out further skepticism and distrust of Chinese storytellers.

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« Reply #191 on: August 23, 2007, 12:52:33 AM »


Yet Another Hamburger Acerbic Sarcasm (YAHAS)!

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« Reply #192 on: August 23, 2007, 01:57:34 AM »
All in good humor, of course!  It is only slightly frustrating, actually, since my expectations are extremely low in terms of receiving useful information.

Bah...Humbugger!

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #193 on: August 23, 2007, 06:24:06 AM »
Perhaps, but I do not see a reason for the "maintained mystery" except possibly to hide the fact that no such ICs actually exist and, like everything else quoted in these "patents", these magic IC3001/3008 devices are just a figment of someone's fantastic and unlimited imagination.

Even if these magical ICs existed, there would still be the question of whether it would take more energy to power the ICs than the ICs delivered via the making the magnetic watchamacallit spin.  But anyway, forget the ICs.  From now on, I am just going to power my house by turning all my stools upside down and putting bowls of water under them.   Look at them stools spin.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #194 on: August 23, 2007, 09:30:46 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the fifth,sixth and seventh page of the Liang patent. 

I added some of my interpretation.
Actually, translation of patents is a very painful work! Don't ask me to translate  anymore.. ;D :o 8) ???

 

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