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Author Topic: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory  (Read 1776531 times)

Offline ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #165 on: August 20, 2007, 01:36:07 AM »
Brushless motor, IC controller.
No secret.
HardDisk Motor.
Google Brushless motor

@brnbrade

I'm guessing you've concluded this from Lawrence's description, not the patent document, correct?  (unless you can read Chinese or could see more from those patent figures than I could). Brushless motors have been around a long time, so if that is what has been described, then it is very unlikely there would be a valid patent claim.  On the other hand, it could be there was some sort of improvement to a standard brushless design that somehow increases efficiency using gravity. 

From the previous description provided by Lawrence, I cannot see how a brushless motor or anything similar could be described as powered by gravity. An enhancement to the standard brushless to increase efficiency is one thing, running completely from gravity force is something else. 

Hopefully more information will be forthcoming.

Regards,
jeffc


The secret is Driving the rotation via Intelligent Chip's programmed Magnetic Interaction.  Such a pulsed rotation  Leads out gravitational energy to produce an engine of 188 Horse Power  without use of any fuel.  The axle is horizontal.

The starting battery can be recharged from the Lead Out gravitational energy.  The mass of the 188 Horse Power Engine was 28 Kilograms.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #165 on: August 20, 2007, 01:36:07 AM »

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #166 on: August 20, 2007, 02:04:46 AM »
@ltseung888 . @jeffc

That this I am speaking.
Brushless is that.
Doesn't matter how it is built.
It uses ICs to drive the coils.
I have a device based on this.
The difference is, I don't use mechanical turn, use virtual turn.
Virtual motor.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #167 on: August 20, 2007, 03:14:18 AM »
@ltseung888 . @jeffc

That this I am speaking.
Brushless is that.
Doesn't matter how it is built.
It uses ICs to drive the coils.
I have a device based on this.
The difference is, I don't use mechanical turn, use virtual turn.
Virtual motor.

Regards

@brnbrade
@jeffc

I think you missed the main idea...Mr. Tseung is telling us that the motor has no coils.  All the magnetic force comes directly out of the ICs, he claims.  No electromagnets are used and (I think) no permanent magnets.  No coils of wire.  Just stainless rollers and IC chips.  Period. 

It sure sounds implausible to me but I don't guess we will get much more detail.  I long ago asked for data and/or manufacturer's name on these magical Chinese magnetic ICs, which he claims do have assigned part numbers.  Mr. Tseung has not responded. 

I think that anyone making such enormous, sweeping and impractical-sounding claims is responsible for answering specific simple questions, but Mr. Tseung does not appear to agree.  I say, with all due respect, Bah!   

@Ltseung888      Please, Mr. Tseung, correct me if I am not understanding your statements and enlighten me with some useful information about these ICs if I am.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #167 on: August 20, 2007, 03:14:18 AM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #168 on: August 20, 2007, 03:29:58 AM »
Well, if I understood it correctly, Lawrence basically says those so-called ICs are just reprogrammable magnetic chips.
Searching "magnetic chip" at Google gives a fair amount of related results.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2007, 03:53:38 AM »
Well, if I understood it correctly, Lawrence basically says those so-called ICs are just reprogrammable magnetic chips.
Searching "magnetic chip" at Google gives a fair amount of related results.

I chased the first three pages worth...most are talking about mechanical conveyor belts to move chips of ferrous material, a few are about magnetic bubble chip memories.  None seem to say anything about an IC chip which simulates or behaves like a magnet where the external fields are programmable.

I suppose any chip inductor would do this, but that's just a common (if tiny) electromagnet, not an IC and certainly not an Intelligent Chip.  nice try...no cigar!

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« Reply #169 on: August 20, 2007, 03:53:38 AM »
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Offline Forever

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #170 on: August 20, 2007, 08:32:59 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the first page of the Liang patent.  ;D

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #171 on: August 20, 2007, 09:04:47 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the second page of the Liang patent.   ;D ;D

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #172 on: August 20, 2007, 07:51:03 PM »
Well, if I understood it correctly, Lawrence basically says those so-called ICs are just reprogrammable magnetic chips.
Searching "magnetic chip" at Google gives a fair amount of related results.

I chased the first three pages worth...most are talking about mechanical conveyor belts to move chips of ferrous material, a few are about magnetic bubble chip memories.  None seem to say anything about an IC chip which simulates or behaves like a magnet where the external fields are programmable.

I suppose any chip inductor would do this, but that's just a common (if tiny) electromagnet, not an IC and certainly not an Intelligent Chip.  nice try...no cigar!
Wouldn't those IC chips be a stripped down version of the magnetoresistive memory microchips? http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=015424&tid=FSH

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #173 on: August 20, 2007, 08:30:19 PM »
Well, if I understood it correctly, Lawrence basically says those so-called ICs are just reprogrammable magnetic chips.
Searching "magnetic chip" at Google gives a fair amount of related results.

I chased the first three pages worth...most are talking about mechanical conveyor belts to move chips of ferrous material, a few are about magnetic bubble chip memories.  None seem to say anything about an IC chip which simulates or behaves like a magnet where the external fields are programmable.

I suppose any chip inductor would do this, but that's just a common (if tiny) electromagnet, not an IC and certainly not an Intelligent Chip.  nice try...no cigar!
Wouldn't those IC chips be a stripped down version of the magnetoresistive memory microchips? http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=015424&tid=FSH

No.  The Freescale devices are, like all magnetic memory chips, nano-gauss devices whose field strengths involve orders of magnitude lower numbers than the weakest, wimpiest, tiniest refrigerator magnet known to mankind.  They are not in any way capable of or intended for creating motion-inducing external fields; in fact they are internally shielded to prevent even weak external fields from upsetting their content.

I believe that Mr. Tseung and Ms. Forever, and maybe the inventor, Mr. Liang, are not truly atempting to give out any genuine information about real inventions, sad to say.  I am open to any hard data or logical explanations, but all I hear so far is charming stories and wild technical claims...nothing at all specific or explanatory about these world-beating inventions. 

If these inventions are real to any degree, there has been no evidence presented yet, in my opinion, despite the many requests.  The Chinese patents, even when so graciously translated by the lovely and talented Ms. Forever Yuen, add nothing to further understanding...only more outrageous and seemingly-nonsensical claims.  It is hard to imagine those documents as protective of intellectual property, since they disclose none that I can detect.  Lots of undefined terms; no substance.

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« Reply #173 on: August 20, 2007, 08:30:19 PM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #174 on: August 21, 2007, 02:01:55 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the first page of the Liang patent.  ;D

Thank you very much for the translations.  This provides a LITTLE more information, but I certainly wish the patents provided more detail.  It is hard to believe how general the claims are. 

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2007, 02:05:09 AM »
Here is my layman 's translation of the second page of the Liang patent.   ;D ;D

Also, thank you for your interpretation, which is helpful.  If someone could figure out what the ICs are and how they interact then perhaps this could be replicated. 

Regards,
jeffc

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« Reply #175 on: August 21, 2007, 02:05:09 AM »
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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #176 on: August 21, 2007, 02:11:39 AM »
Well, if I understood it correctly, Lawrence basically says those so-called ICs are just reprogrammable magnetic chips.
Searching "magnetic chip" at Google gives a fair amount of related results.

I chased the first three pages worth...most are talking about mechanical conveyor belts to move chips of ferrous material, a few are about magnetic bubble chip memories.  None seem to say anything about an IC chip which simulates or behaves like a magnet where the external fields are programmable.

I suppose any chip inductor would do this, but that's just a common (if tiny) electromagnet, not an IC and certainly not an Intelligent Chip.  nice try...no cigar!
Wouldn't those IC chips be a stripped down version of the magnetoresistive memory microchips? http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/homepage.jsp?nodeId=015424&tid=FSH

No.  The Freescale devices are, like all magnetic memory chips, nano-gauss devices whose field strengths involve orders of magnitude lower numbers than the weakest, wimpiest, tiniest refrigerator magnet known to mankind.  They are not in any way capable of or intended for creating motion-inducing external fields; in fact they are internally shielded to prevent even weak external fields from upsetting their content.

I believe that Mr. Tseung and Ms. Forever, and maybe the inventor, Mr. Liang, are not truly atempting to give out any genuine information about real inventions, sad to say.  I am open to any hard data or logical explanations, but all I hear so far is charming stories and wild technical claims...nothing at all specific or explanatory about these world-beating inventions. 

If these inventions are real to any degree, there has been no evidence presented yet, in my opinion, despite the many requests.  The Chinese patents, even when so graciously translated by the lovely and talented Ms. Forever Yuen, add nothing to further understanding...only more outrageous and seemingly-nonsensical claims.  It is hard to imagine those documents as protective of intellectual property, since they disclose none that I can detect.  Lots of undefined terms; no substance.


@Humbugger
I absolutely agree that this patent would not fly in the US or Europe.  The very purpose of a patent document, by definition, is that the invention can be easilly reproduced by someone with experience ("skill in the art") by following precise instructions.  It is not supposed to be a guessing game. 

That being said, the quality of the patent document doesn't provide any conslusions about the invention itself, only a glimps into differences in the western and Chinese patent process.  IF the US patent office would grant me a patent with this level of detail, I would have done it as well!

Regards,
jeffc

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #177 on: August 21, 2007, 02:43:34 AM »
If someone could figure out what the ICs are and how they interact then perhaps this could be replicated. 
Well, those seem to be nothing else than... electromagnets with memory of their magnetic state? How can such a simple device have not been invented yet? :P
Saving the differences with the MRAM, the concept seems to be the same. The question is how much power would require such an useable magnet to change its polarity.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #178 on: August 21, 2007, 03:33:00 AM »
If someone could figure out what the ICs are and how they interact then perhaps this could be replicated. 
Well, those seem to be nothing else than... electromagnets with memory of their magnetic state? How can such a simple device have not been invented yet? :P
Saving the differences with the MRAM, the concept seems to be the same. The question is how much power would require such an useable magnet to change its polarity.

Dat's da question, all right!  And how would you create a high-gauss magnetic field of any orientation using only a tiny ultra-low power IC chip?  Those are the questions on the table here.  I await any good answers from our experts!

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #179 on: August 21, 2007, 06:43:55 AM »
Dear Forever,

Thank you for your translating the first two pages.  I am specially impressed with your interpretation  of the second page reproduced below.

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My (Forever Yuen) interpretation

There can be two cylinders. The inner cylinder can rotate and has one type of intelligent chips. It is also connected to the rotating axle. The outer cylinder does not rotate and contains another type of intelligent chips. ( In a later part of the patent, the two types of chips are refer to as China 3001 and China 3008) These chips are programmed to provide a pulse rotation.

Since the magnetic interaction is very small between two ICs. A large number of ICs are used. They are placed very close to each other.  Assume the magnetic interaction force between ICs is ?X?. Assume the total number of chips of one type is ?N?. Assume the rate of rotation is ?R?. If the diameter of the cylinder is ?D?. The energy is related to D times X times N times R. If typical value N= 700, R = 100 revolution per second, D= 0.5 meter . The total energy would be related to 35,000 times X. Even if the lead out energy is 50% of this amount, that energy is very significant.

This is the reason why a 188 horse power engine can be produced.

Please comment.
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There are two comments I would like to make.  The first one is that the r=100 per second may be too high.  (6000 rpm).  I believe the more correct understanding is that r= 10 per second.  However, each IC may react with 10 other ICs in 1 revolution (If the 700 ICs are arranged in 10 rows).  The resulting number is still 100.

The second comment is that there are at least two more factors involved.  One is the mass of the rotating cylinder.  The other is the gravitational constant g.  The gravitational constant g can effectively be changed with your magnetic pendulum type setup.

Many chip experts know how to program the Hall Effect ICs and/or Magnetic ICs.  (I am NOT one of them.) However, few of those I know have ever thought about programming them to provide power.  They all wrongly applied the Law of Conservation of Energy.  They thought it would be pointless to use ICs to rotate the axle.  The energy loss and complications would not justify the effort.

The Tsing Hua University Professors and Students are the exceptions.  They believed in the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory after a half day explanation by Lee-Tseung-Wang.

I shall wait for you to finish translating more pages before additional comments.  Please keep up the good work.

Lawrence
« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 08:03:29 AM by ltseung888 »

 

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