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ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3030 on: August 24, 2008, 01:34:42 PM »
Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for explaining using the many figures.

I am no experimental scientist.  I look forward to others doing the prototype.

Can you do it or can you recommend someone else?

chrisC

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3031 on: August 24, 2008, 05:42:28 PM »
Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for explaining using the many figures.

I am no experimental scientist.  I look forward to others doing the prototype.

Can you do it or can you recommend someone else?

One would have thought that at your age, you should stop playing mind games with your alter egos and spend time with your grandchildren. At least when they grow up, they can acknowledge they had a grandpa who looked after their interest!

You are certainly no scientist. Just wasting your time masquerading as Top Gun or Devil or whatever else just looks plain stupid for someone your age!

btw, did that head of Mechanical Engineering Dept. of Hong Kong Poly. get back to you on your 'O' level physics postulates? I guessed not. Maybe even the graduate TA wouldn't wan't to touch you with a 10 foot pole?

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3032 on: August 24, 2008, 11:44:36 PM »
Wow this is one straaaaaange thread. At one hand you have this group of insulters trying to ridicule tseung after every post he makes. And then you have tseung and his weird posts seemingly ignoring every one of those comments as if he's talking to noone :D.

Btw tsueng I doubt you'll respond to this but I don't think bessler used such a delicate method on his wheel. His wheel was big and rough (compared to machining of today).For it to somehow use your theory it needed to be very fine tuned and like mentioned earlier every small influence would have made it stop spinning. Your theory, on a real build, would also predict variable rotation speed as friction and what not influences the resonance it wants to attain, while besslers ran at pretty much constant speed.

ltseung888

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3033 on: August 25, 2008, 01:09:02 AM »
Wow this is one straaaaaange thread. At one hand you have this group of insulters trying to ridicule tseung after every post he makes. And then you have tseung and his weird posts seemingly ignoring every one of those comments as if he's talking to noone :D.

Btw tsueng I doubt you'll respond to this but I don't think bessler used such a delicate method on his wheel. His wheel was big and rough (compared to machining of today).For it to somehow use your theory it needed to be very fine tuned and like mentioned earlier every small influence would have made it stop spinning. Your theory, on a real build, would also predict variable rotation speed as friction and what not influences the resonance it wants to attain, while besslers ran at pretty much constant speed.

Dear broli,

We are not trying to reproduce the 17th century Bessler Wheel. 

In this academic exercise, we want to show that the Bessler Wheel could be an unbalanced wheel with a built-in pulsing mechanism.

The basic falling ball in tube with unequal padding could do the job.  We want to add the Bedini, Adams motor mechanism for finer control.  This will force the implementers to learn more about such systems and the extraction of electron motion energy via magnetic fields.

I found that the Hong Kong students enjoy such an exercise.  Many are in the reading and research mode. 

The information here will be "re-discovered" as soon as the large electricity generator for substations are announced and demonstrated Worldwide.  If I stay healthy and stick to my two-hour morning walk routine, I shall live to see it.  I may even see the MPU and the flying saucer too.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3034 on: August 25, 2008, 01:24:13 AM »
....

  If I stay healthy and stick to my two-hour morning walk routine, I shall live to see it.  I may even see the MPU and the flying saucer too.

Please stay healthy Mr. Tseung. After all, I don't think we'll see this WANG generator this year(?). Well, if you remember, Mr. Tseung, you mentioned previously we will see this invention after the Olympics? Or did you forget? Well, the Olympics are now over. Maybe you meant the next time the Olympics are in Beijing again?

Oh, how silly of me to think it was this year! After all, if all the HK school children are experimenting with this, maybe you meant a toy that doesn't need a drill to put together and rotated by hand?

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3035 on: August 25, 2008, 03:42:00 PM »
Extracts from the coming book
Chapter on designing the Magneto Propulsion Unit (MPU)

In the above figure,

(1) The 4 rectangles represented by a are programmable electromagnetic coils.  They are stationary in the inner cylinder b.

(2) The magnetic ball c can move within the cylindrical grove d powered by magnetic attractive forces from the electromagnetic coils a.  Such movement and set up is effectively a lead-out-energy device.  Some of the lead-out-energy can be extracted via the programmable electromagnetic coils a. 

(3) The magnetic ball c essentially glides or rotates on the surface of the stationary inner cylinder b.  The speed can be very high.

(4) When the magnetic attraction force is cut (or turned into repulsion), the magnetic ball c will fly away in the tangential direction along the angle shaped e.  It will hit the surface of e providing an effective force to move the unit downwards in this case.  If the angle shaped e is moved to a different position, the effective force can be in a different direction.

(5) The magnetic ball can be attracted back to repeat its circular motion.

(6) Two of these MPUs can work in unison to provide smooth motion to the vehicle.

When the ball is rolling around the lower half-circle, the centripetal force acting on the ball lead to a reaction force onto the cylinder via the coils and magnetic forces. The resulting force on the cylinder is in average in the direction of the arrow. 
When the ball is rolling around the upper half-circle, there is an equal force acting onto the cylinder in average in the opposite direction of the arrow.
Thus for each turn, the resulting forces along the arrow are perfectly balanced and we have not to account for their work.

But when the ball is released and hits e, its last half-turn was upper and not balanced by the lower one, thus the average force acting onto the cylinder was in the opposite direction of the arrow, counter-balancing the work of c hitting e.

No motion can be expected from such vehicle.

It is well known that in a closed system, circular motion can't be converted into linear motion. Either you have to prove our models of physics laws are wrong or you have to show us new and unknown phenomenon in physics. You can't expect for revolutionary phenomenon using only basic and simplistic designs with conventional objects and forces which are modelizable with lagrangians or hamiltonians.



chrisC

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3036 on: August 25, 2008, 05:56:22 PM »
......

No motion can be expected from such vehicle.

It is well known that in a closed system, circular motion can't be converted into linear motion. Either you have to prove our models of physics laws are wrong or you have to show us new and unknown phenomenon in physics. You can't expect for revolutionary phenomenon using only basic and simplistic designs with conventional objects and forces which are modelizable with lagrangians or hamiltonians.




Ah, don't forget Exnihiloest, Tseung has not passed his 'O' level physics yet. That's why he keeps on postulating all kinds of crap with no bearings to known physical laws. It's all in his head. Because he doesn't know how to use a drill, he is not able to build a prototype to demonstrate his Tseung-Lee theory of unknown phenomenon. Sad to say, this astounding discovery will never be known.....

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3037 on: August 26, 2008, 03:12:01 AM »
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Extracts from the coming book
Chapter on designing the Magneto Propulsion Unit (MPU)

In the above figure,

(1) The 4 rectangles represented by a are programmable electromagnetic coils.  They are stationary in the inner cylinder b.

(2) The magnetic ball c can move within the cylindrical grove d powered by magnetic attractive forces from the electromagnetic coils a.  Such movement and set up is effectively a lead-out-energy device.  Some of the lead-out-energy can be extracted via the programmable electromagnetic coils a. 

(3) The magnetic ball c essentially glides or rotates on the surface of the stationary inner cylinder b.  The speed can be very high.

(4) When the magnetic attraction force is cut (or turned into repulsion), the magnetic ball c will fly away in the tangential direction along the angle shaped e.  It will hit the surface of e providing an effective force to move the unit downwards in this case.  If the angle shaped e is moved to a different position, the effective force can be in a different direction.

(5) The magnetic ball can be attracted back to repeat its circular motion.

(6) Two of these MPUs can work in unison to provide smooth motion to the vehicle.


When the ball is rolling around the lower half-circle, the centripetal force acting on the ball lead to a reaction force onto the cylinder via the coils and magnetic forces. The resulting force on the cylinder is in average in the direction of the arrow. 
When the ball is rolling around the upper half-circle, there is an equal force acting onto the cylinder in average in the opposite direction of the arrow.
Thus for each turn, the resulting forces along the arrow are perfectly balanced and we have not to account for their work.

But when the ball is released and hits e, its last half-turn was upper and not balanced by the lower one, thus the average force acting onto the cylinder was in the opposite direction of the arrow, counter-balancing the work of c hitting e.

No motion can be expected from such vehicle.

It is well known that in a closed system, circular motion can't be converted into linear motion. Either you have to prove our models of physics laws are wrong or you have to show us new and unknown phenomenon in physics. You can't expect for revolutionary phenomenon using only basic and simplistic designs with conventional objects and forces which are modelizable with lagrangians or hamiltonians.

Please note that the magnetic ball c is made to rotate faster via the action of the electromagnetic coils.  With the extract supply of energy, the system cannot be closed.

In addition, there is a net attractive magnetic force from the action of the electromagnetic coils attracting the mganetic ball towards the center - the required centripetal force to keep the magnetic ball c from flying away.

Note that the electromagnetic coils are powered by Pulsed DC current.  This means that they will exhibit North Pole, No Pole, North Pole, No Pole, North Pole, etc. The permanent magnetic ball c always have magnetic South pole pointing towards the center.  (You may be confused by assuming a rolling actions.  For ease of understanding, consider sliding action.  Or think of it as the motion similar to a chained-ball.)

The physics described here cannot be wrong.  I shall describe the pulsing circuit in a separate post.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3038 on: August 26, 2008, 04:04:05 AM »
The Direct Current pulsing circuit applied to an electromagnetic coil.

(1)   When a DC current is passing through an electromagnetic coil, the electromagnetic coil will exhibit the properties of a magnet with one end acting as the North Poles and the other end acting as the South Pole.

(2)   If the DC current is stopped, the electromagnetic coil will start to lose its magnetic properties.  In the perfect case, the magnetic properties will disappear and the electromagnetic coil will show No Pole.

(3)   If the DC current is pulsed, the electromagnetic coil will show North Pole, No Pole, North Pole, No Pole, North Pole, No Pole, etc.

(4)   Consider the wheel (Pulsed-rotation1.jpg), the permanent magnet PM1 will be repelled causing a clockwise rotation force if the electromagnetic coil EC showed properties of a North Pole.  When the permanent magnet PM2 approaches the electromagnetic coil EC and if EC still exhibit the properties of a North Pole, there will be a repulsion causing an anticlockwise rotation.  However, if the electromagnetic coil EC has No Pole, there will be no repulsion.  When the permanent magnet PM2 moves to the position of PM1, the electromagnetic coil EC shows property of North Pole again.  There will be repulsion in the clockwise direction.

(5)   This explains the need for a pulsing DC current to rotate the inner cylinder in the clockwise direction.  The Newman, Bedini, Adams, Liang and the 225 HP pulse motors all use the above feature.  The pulsing rate must match the rotational speed for an effective operation.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3039 on: August 26, 2008, 04:18:36 AM »
In Pulsed-rotation2.jpg, the electromagnetic coil is used as a collector coil.  When a permanent magnet moves, its magnetic lines of force will interact with the electromagnetic coil to produce current.

In the Lee-Tseung lead-out theory, they do not use the concept of back EMF or zero point energy to explain the source of energy.  Thus the collector coil can be a totally different electromagnetic coil similar to the Adams motor.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor is clever in that the electromagnetic coils can be programmed to be either pulse coils or collector coils.

There is no magic, no back EMF and no zero point energy.  Everything is ?O-level Physics?.  It is just a matter of extending the concept of the pulsed pendulum to a pulsed balanced wheel.

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« Reply #3040 on: August 26, 2008, 04:47:45 AM »
@ TopGun:

You should really change your name to TopDork.

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« Reply #3041 on: August 26, 2008, 07:23:41 AM »
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I don't believe my eyes.

Einstein once said, "Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves."  Wait, that's not the point I'm going for.

Maybe I need to make up a quote.  Here goes. "any theory without a practical result is worthless."  Has anyone said that before me?  I'm sure someone has at least thought it.


ought seven

chrisC

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3042 on: August 26, 2008, 08:07:54 AM »
@ TopGun:

You should really change your name to TopDork.

Bill

Hahaha! Couldn't agree more Bill!
Now, TopDork is exploring magnetism and electricity and trying to teach electromagnets? huh? I guess magnets stick and no drills are needed! Ah! So! Now I get it!

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3043 on: August 26, 2008, 12:09:12 PM »
Why do we need the collector coils?

    If there were only pulse coils, energy will be lead into the system.  The cylinder containing permanent magnets will rotate faster and faster.  This will destroy the synchronization between the rotational speed and the pulse rate.Thus energy must be drawn out from the system.  One technique is via the collector coils.

Another technique is via the rotating axle.

In both the Newman and the Bedini systems, there is not much program control.  Handling varying torque or external load will be difficult.  They are also limited by the use of the same coil as the pulse coil and the collector coil.

The 225 HP Pulse Motor has program control.  The electromagnetic coils can be programmed to become pulse coils or collector coils.  That explains its much higher efficiency.

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Re: The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory
« Reply #3044 on: August 26, 2008, 12:23:24 PM »
Please note that the magnetic ball c is made to rotate faster via the action of the electromagnetic coils.  With the extract supply of energy, the system cannot be closed.

The power supply to be inboard or not doesn't change anything and is irrelevant to the context, as no force is supposed to applied from the outside.

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In addition, there is a net attractive magnetic force from the action of the electromagnetic coils attracting the mganetic ball towards the center - the required centripetal force to keep the magnetic ball c from flying away.

That's what I meant, the point you miss being that this is true only for each complete turn but releasing the ball lets the net attractive magnetic force be no more towards the center but opposing the effect of hitting e.

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The physics described here cannot be wrong.  I shall describe the pulsing circuit in a separate post.

Only the kinetic energy of the ball hitting e is considered but not the breaking of the centripetal force when the ball is released: to integrate it on one turn shows it is an opposing effect.
The physics described here is not wrong. It is incomplete.