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innovation_station

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2007, 10:06:09 PM »
marco / turbo


verry nice

 now the fun will begin  and the answer will unfold

i am planning on stocking up as well  this week

perhaps we all can work at it as a big team publicaly

ist

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« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2007, 10:24:47 PM »
Where's a good place to learn about designing tube amplifiers or amplifiers in general?

Try here:

http://kbapps.com/tubemanual.html

FB

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« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2007, 11:07:19 PM »
i did found some good info here http://www.geofex.com/tubeampfaq/tafaqndx.htm

And i will start with the PS first.



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« Reply #78 on: July 30, 2007, 11:26:18 PM »
i will be building this one and offcource i will have to add another stage to make it a 3 channel class A and i am also seeking for a nice tube Gen circuit.

M.

innovation_station

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #79 on: July 31, 2007, 12:50:04 AM »
sorry for posting like this but it is the only way 4 me right now just read this !!!

and see how it fits!!!!
ISTEAM!!

ok i have to change the 4 pages to a diffrent format but i think you all might be excited after you read this  i am anyway!!
« Last Edit: July 31, 2007, 01:24:30 AM by innovation_station »

joe dirt

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« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2007, 01:06:23 AM »
Another upside to using tubes is they will survive any massive CME or geomagnetic
   disturbance, as compared to the static sensitive fets,   of course you might buy
   the hardened ones made with synthetic diamond, but I think they will be hard to
   aquire.

If you can do it with tubes then this is the best option, they are much more har har
   hardier ;D

dirt

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« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2007, 01:28:47 AM »
A few Tubers!...simple things really ...just bitey!

Use one only hand at all times....and it will just hurt a lot!

I have been told that a tube circuit can be attached directly to a "coil" and it will tolerate the massive harmonics generated by the interactions with out damage.


this "suggests" that no transformer was used...however, IF a transformer was used it had better be able to do 245 khz..

6as7g tubes were used in his first experiments...this also suggests freq below 300k... in fact it is hard to get these tubes to 300k. you may find it difficult to find an output transformer that will get to 300k as well.

Those with more tube experience could help here?



another good thing about these tubes is that they are happy at 150 volts and lower....a bit safer?

My suggestion is to use a dual triode driver and commom the two triodes in  the 6as7 to increase the available current. feedback/syncronisation from your mass of wire at the correct point could be important.

I am working on a blocking oscillator arangement ..the tpu is the tuning transformer.

I know that all of this points us away from nanosec sharp pulses! However it may be more about how they react in the grid circuit for sync, than how fast the plate pulse is.

I cannot over stress the importance of using a 15" ring for this section of research.

time, and lots of participation will  help

we are actually trying to make a circuit that will try to self destruct .


Lindsay







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« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2007, 02:06:36 AM »
Ah, I see!  We'll use sine waves then?  In a sine waves setup, what function do the tubes serve?  I'm used to seeing setups where the tubes act as switches.  Actually, where the MOSFETs act as switches seeing as no one is using tubes yet.  (Except a select few I guess)  I'm thinking a ramp up like they use in inverter circuits where they use transistors or whatnot to step up and down the signal and smooth it out to look like a sine wave?  Or is there something else...  I personally am going for the 3 colector approach based on those letters.  Series connect them if everything works out.

innovation_station

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« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2007, 02:48:13 AM »
i think the tubes act some what like an electric amp the electricty will grow in the tube and end up making a stronger mag feild shock wave into the collector that is resonace cuppled to the transmitters read all 4 pages i posted please!!!

what i get out of that is this

basicly we pinch 1 tube then the other agin and agin each pinch increases the current in the tubes if you read what i posted from the book i was reading you will see how it relates the circuit must be verry simple like the eric dollard vids the phase invertor will cancel the flux will it not out of phase by 180 deg the pluses will colide inside the wire

also in that same book was somthing lke a mechanical tpu and at high speeds it could produce ofer 200kw works on the same o p but with mechanical input but we can easly sub mechanical for electrical revolving magfeilds this generator i spooke of has no tubes or circuits involved in its operation purly mechanical i beleave  this produced high freq ac current wich can easly be switched to dc right!!!

btw im kind of wondering if in fact the fets people are using should be used as switches at all!!! maybe some one should hook 1 up as an amp!! like a car amp i found many circuits there was another one that talked of supplying the out put of 1 tub through the coil into the input of the next hummm

like i said read the old books for the truth then apply it to what we already know  ;)

with a great efford like this how long will it take to crack this ...................           not verry long

1 more way we colud look at this is there only so many tube circuits  ;)

ist

there was 1 more circuit i felt fit the application as well  it was a multi vibrator circuit with 2 triodes so if we use dubble triodes i guess we have  2 oscolaters  in 2 tubes for 2 beat freqs for 2 rings and the 3rd is output does that fit? works similar to the last 1 i posted  it sounds like to me any way that when we get this togather it will start from the swipe of a magnet if it is tuned close to 7.8 after the heaters are powered of course and also thease are not the regenerative circuits i spooke of b4 eather those are diffrent agin from thease

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« Reply #84 on: July 31, 2007, 02:56:38 AM »
Let's hope we do not run out of tubes from our experiments! :D

innovation_station

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« Reply #85 on: July 31, 2007, 04:55:18 AM »
ok guys im sorry but you all are getting to know me now and i run my mouth a bit i love to talk and be herd thank you but it is me and has always been!!!!

so this is yet 1 more thought now dooo think hard about this!!!


2 or 3 freqs ? 2 to make the beat  other output or resonance freq to collect

basicly that is 2 or 3 channel  i think 2 channes sm says his sterio amp i the 1 quote (means 2 channel ) ok 3 channel he refers to as the 3 freq and that is center collector

basicly if we put a pluse out of the first tube in to the tpu  it comes back out of the tpu at the top and goes into another tube the siginak is then flipped so now when it comes back to the first tube but second connection or 1 connection on seconed triode tube now the siginal when it gets there is oppsite the tubes power so that is a pinch the tubes current grows  then signal and extra power are inverted agin and do the thing at the other end  and it repeats till we have resonance and good output power but we eather work with 3 seprate freqs and 2 rings and 2 channels or we work with 2 freqs the third is made on its own  and run the 2 freqs through the coil 3 times and also im starting to think this is only for the controls only and must be dc power  as per mag amp  setup and then we send posibly 5 volts ac in to center collector and use the freqs and inverted signals to control the rotation dirrection of the magfeild im starting also to wonder when steven said to cancel the flux maybe he means on the outside ring of the tpu the 15" tpu because the inside has a verry strong mag feild like a mechanical generator or altonator but spun really fast right!!

ok now do this with 3 sepreat freqs or 2 i dont know for sure yet but never the less the power will grow fast in a setup like this

like manix said it took sm 10 years to get it to work on ss and how long just to get it to work at all

also i have made no mention of feed back coils yet but have found lots about them too there just so many diffrent ways one can add power to its source on its way out to do work  hummmm  that my friend is the tesla way!!

remember the rule that says every action has a reaction well now think like tesla here  use the reaction to add to the action  thus helping to fuel its self i beleave tesla discovered that  and he used that principal in many of his inventions so that princible in the tpu use the feed back to trip the next pluse hummm but this is where i get a little iffy because it can grow way too fast and then  well humm i dont want to find out  if we do go this route lets be wise!!

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« Reply #86 on: July 31, 2007, 05:28:22 AM »
I think I remember one of his letters saying that he first heard the the exploding TV set from his Boss in the 60's.  I think.  Those TV's were manufactured back in the 60's too I believe.  So 20 years??  Maybe.  But if we all work together we'll be able to pull this off.  I know it.  He gave us ALL the information we need to replicate it, but NO ONE is using tubes(aside from us), NO ONE is using three collectors...unless he meant something else by "three coils one on top of the other".

innovation_station

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« Reply #87 on: July 31, 2007, 05:50:49 AM »
3 coils kinda like a trifller pancake coil for the 3 freqs then 1 feedback then 3 controls all on 1 ring kind of like 1 layer of my pancake coil but tuned and 1 pan cake insted of 3 stacked? if that is the case then coulld we pull 6 or 12 volts from the feed back to power the heater in the tubes so then you only need power to start it till it ramps off then power is shut off at heater of tube then feedback takes over on supply i ask this because tubes worm up and take some time to wind down after power is taken away from the heater do we could switch it from battery to feedback fairly easly kind of with out the tube really knowing or power the second heater from the feedback then we would only use half the power for 2 heaters insted of 4 plus the feedback will grow that means the heater voltage on the second triode of both  tubes will rise with ramp up a form of control i guess

well i cant wait to build this big mess i have posted if it is not right yet it is ok we are getting much closer i know it

is

well i think i draind my mind agin this time all my thoughts will stay online here last time i deleted my posts and only lost the thoughts i once had i kept no coppies so i dont even remember what i said but the last time i hit a nerve and this time im sure i hit another i say this for the this reason last time my comp went crazy getting rebooted and dissalowed macs and blocked ip's and all that stuff this time a diffrent computer my laptop and agin today the first time in a long time so i know when to read the signs

@ the watchers im done  till i play  i can see that some things have not changed  ;)
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« Reply #88 on: July 31, 2007, 06:07:33 AM »
Yeah man!  One day closer!  Just a matter of time, we have all the information, now all that's left unanswered can be explained with experimentaion!

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« Reply #89 on: July 31, 2007, 12:44:17 PM »
A few Tubers!...simple things really ...just bitey!

Use one only hand at all times....and it will just hurt a lot!

I have been told that a tube circuit can be attached directly to a "coil" and it will tolerate the massive harmonics generated by the interactions with out damage.


this "suggests" that no transformer was used...however, IF a transformer was used it had better be able to do 245 khz..


for some time i have been thinking he tpu is the OPT therefore we need high impedance conrol coils and the "Sound" is created inside the OPT with a low impedance secondary as output so that fit's i all.

first i am going to setup a normal situation whereas the HTR and the  OPT are synched and then i will run the HTR on a seperate supply to see what it gives when it starts to oscillate out of phase, that is easy to do for me and i should show the "verry intresting things" which can be verry revieling Steven talks about....

in the synched situation normally both circuits are running from one power supply and when you use two seperate supply's the chance of an out of phase situation increases enormous...

that is why we need two seperate controllable DC sources.

Marco.