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turbo

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2007, 04:24:15 PM »
Steven mentioned the 6BQ7-A particulair and he said substitutes with a 12 volt heater could be used, but there arent any substitutes for taht tube in that voltage area.

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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2007, 05:15:56 PM »
marco do you think a 6volt heater wont work? i thinlk it will work better i will use less power i think sm uses a dc battery to power the tubes heaters that is all the battery is for so it will last a verry long time  because he said it has batteryies in it  but they are not used for out put only for the tubes  i think that the tubes do most of the work here and the coil is only for kicks  the kick comes from the controls right so maybe all we need to do is this plusr 3 coils 123 slight out of phase  the kick will turn into a magnetic feild around the control coil adding magnetic induction into the collector just like ottos test along time ago that is all  the tubes do the rest!!



but the tube circuits  must involve a amp an osolator  or the coil must be built as a magnetic amp to avoid the use of a tube amp also how about this  can we tune the coil to a permenant magnet so when you bring the magnet close to the coil it will resonate with the magnet by its self after you turn on the heater in the tubes? then it will ramp up to desired freq and voltage

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more stuff to loose people round here but you all know what there has not been near enough tube work round here so this is my focous

asking all who know about tubes to help i know nothing about them at all but im learning as we all can after how many years of ss reaserch with little results i think it is time to listen to what we have been told by sm start with tubes and make it happin!!!!

@ marco

as i recall you said you were doing a great study on tubes just a thought.......  why dont you do it with the rest of this fourm and help us with them i know you have a great knowlage of tubes  care to share?

somthing tells me that this can be cracked verry fast with tubes and we can make it work in a short time peroid from now if we had a concertated efford from all that can contribuite

thease tubes  are common tubes and cheep but there are many more tubes that can be used for the same thing it is how we use them and how be build the ring or the transfomer  to work with the tube

is

turbo

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2007, 06:03:52 PM »
now that is just stupid ,Steven talks about putting the AC current from the HTR on the heater and William here talks about Steven using DC batterys to heat the tube.

You need to read some more dude....go on spread some more confusion.

M.

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2007, 06:10:41 PM »
6BQ7A

If you need 12 Volt heaters , take another
some type have 2 heater at 6 volts inside and can so
heated with 6 or 12 volts
the cheapest type is ECC82 = 12AU7
 
Also  7119 can be used that is approx. same
tube with 3 time more
Dissipation.


Datas :



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ECC182 / 7119

Filament 
6,3V 0,64A  or
12,6V 0,32A   
Va   Ia      K Vg1  Pente
120V36mA 24 -2V 15mA/V
Double triode - culot Noval
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6BQ7A

Filament 
6v

Va    Ia    K Vg1 Ri       Pente
150V 9mA -- --  6,1k   6,4mA/V
Double triode - culot noval
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ECC82  12AU7
Filament   
12,6V 0,15A or
6,3V 0,3A
Va    Ia        Ranode Vg1    Ri Pente
250V 10,5mA 100k -8,5V   7,7k 2,2mA/V
double triode - culot noval


Regards , very easy to find in WEB

Pese

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2007, 06:27:07 PM »
nice pese

just what you said 2 hearers at 6 volts or 2 hearers connected togather @ 12 volts  ac or dc does not matter but when some of you find the osolators i have seen you will see that is all that is required for them to work so why not power the tube heaters with 6 or 12 volts dc maybe some litium batteries small easy to hide in the tpu  and let the freqs and the coils and the tube work togather and do the rest!!!


marco did you miss the speck sheet for that tube??

the heater can be powered by ac or dc 6.4 volts what you want ac use the output of the osolator maybe the feedback eh dude? 1 of the oslators i found there are many regenertaive osolators out there for tubes triodes spicifaly i think any triode tube will work for the tpu but some are of higher gain so the adjustments would have to be made in the coil if you were to use higher gain tubes thease tubes are med gain i beleave



hey turbo if you have the answers then step up and be a man  un till someone does i will dig and dig and post so all is covered till we crack it the more that is posted and played with the more that is understood!!!!!!

and the more we learn if we only study what is here where will we get? just like if we only look on google we will see only what they let us see

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« Last Edit: July 29, 2007, 07:04:57 PM by innovation_station »

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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2007, 07:07:25 PM »
READ THE OLD BOOKS FOR THE TRUTH!!!

then apply it to what we already know to find the answers ;)

i think if we do a big study of triodes we will find that the tpu workes the same way as a triode and maybe just maybe the coil replaces the the amp tube if it was a gatair  amp so we use the preamp part of the amp circuit and the coil is the other tube the only way we will know is to talk about it and play with it 

if i seam to confuse people that was not a goal of mine but with out any of my thoughts in this project i still think that progress would have been slower  btw turbo did i not help in bring you back here to help us i beleave i did when i worked on your ring b4 that  you were a ghost why because you lied about your ring and did not want to talk about it but thank you for owning up

so this is done and gone lets work out the tubes as a team team work is the only way we will have sucuess

im in now till i crack it or someone else does but the easy way the way it should have been done a long time ago!!!

WITH TUBES!!

@ mannix you have done lots of work with tubes have you not? can you help in this

or do i stand and walk alone ...  i walk alone... i walk alone... my shadow is the only one that walks beside me i walk alone i walk alone......

is

sounds like the boulovard of broken dreams to me!!
« Last Edit: July 29, 2007, 08:35:38 PM by innovation_station »

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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2007, 08:13:33 PM »
That's my train of thought too, use tubes tubes tubes!  Alas I have no money, so it's up to you IS.

turbo

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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2007, 08:34:22 PM »
yeah IS go buy those tubes and make that violin work.
i don't have the power to feed them.

M.

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« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2007, 08:46:27 PM »
what power to feed them ? 6 volts or 12?

u must look at those schems i found that is all that is required!!! for those tubes to be set into osolation and gain power with each pluse throught the ring the magnetic amp!! until they reach the peak you desire 


marco i have 1 already and are waiting on the other 2 but did not want to wrek it so i will learn as much as i can b4 i play with it too much it is 2 triode tubes in 1  for vhf  so how is this  for the freqs remember 3 6 9 well 3rd harmonic bottom collector / controls   9th harmonic top collector / controls  and center  tuned to the 6th harmonic then we only need 2 beat freqs of oppsit harmonics  to ringgg 6 harmonic the collector  and transmit the amplified power wirelessly through resonace

im sorry you all i just cant stop so when i do finish runnung my mind i hope we will make some more progress!!!! with the use of some of my thoughts

btw not that it means anything but i was eletrucited when i was 6 months old and my entire live i have had a facsanation with  electricty

is

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2007, 08:46:31 PM »
READ THE OLD BOOKS FOR THE TRUTH!!!

then apply it to what we already know to find the answers ;)

i think if we do a big study of triodes we will find that the tpu workes the same way as a triode and maybe just maybe the coil replaces the the amp tube if it was a gatair  amp so we use the preamp part of the amp circuit and the coil is the other tube the only way we will know is to talk about it and play with it 

if i seam to confuse people that was not a goal of mine but with out any of my thoughts in this project i still think that progress would have been slower  btw turbo did i not help in bring you back here to help us i beleave i did when i worked on your ring b4 that  you were a ghost why because you lied about your ring and did not want to talk about it but thank you for owning up

so this is done and gone lets work out the tubes as a team team work is the only way we will have sucuess

im in now till i crack it or someone else does but the easy way the way it should have been done a long time ago!!!

WITH TUBES!!

@ mannix you have done lots of work with tubes have you not? can you help in this

or do i stand and walk alone ...  i walk alone... i walk alone... my shadow is the only one that walks beside me i walk alone i walk alone......

is

sounds like the boulovard of broken dreams to me!!
Well I'm going to try it too, ya know ;)  I love the idea of using a tube (apparently fast turn on and off time) and those wonderful circuits Earl gave us should give me some great results...once I get some money. :D  I still have to pay back Mr.Mag for his oscilloscope :D

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« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2007, 09:12:49 PM »
well i plan on meeting mr mag it seams i owe him still aswell so you are not alone  ;)


but i need 1 more scope right away too so time to find it  i realy i would like 2 more so i can watch all that goes on in the ring all must be dual trace scopes

the 1 i have now is a 20 mhz and i want 2 faster 1's  aswell but not too much money they are out there i will find them or maybe they will find me!!!!

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2007, 01:33:55 AM »
Hi Guys,

Im not sure how many here are using tubes here but We KNOW that he said use them,we know that he said that he would not have discovered it but for them. We also know that hardly any people are using them..WHY is that?

It is because we think we know better...Which of course is a lie we tell ourselves unless, of course you have a TPU running on mosfets..which  Steven has...after 10 years of a running tpu on tubes!!!!

After all this time,after all the information, 90% of you must think you know better,or believe that the advice that you have been given is wrong.

I believe that if lots of us were using tubes and keeping quote"HARMONIC PERFECTION" firmly in what we create,we just might have something special to share...in time

Funny how we would like more info but have failed to fully explore the vital clues and specific directions  that we have been given.
I guess we are all smarter than the inventor...he does look here ..
its 12 months since i tried to encourage the private group to use tubes and was banned from them for some reason..i was angry that they were not listening to the tube info..i guess that rubbed rich's feathers.

I wonder how many here have a tube rack up and running ...?

Lindsay

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« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2007, 01:45:35 AM »
I wanna get some tubes as soon as possible, but it's just not possible right now.  I have no money at the moment, but once I get some, I'll buy 5 triode tubes for my pulse setup.  Why are we using MOSFETS?  They're TRANSISTORS, they're NOISY (as Steven himself said).  I think someone once said on here that tubes have instantaneous (or close) rise and fall times?  Heh, the only problem with my TPU is I built it too small, it'll be impossible to fit those electronics in the middle of it. :(  I don't know how big they are, but I hope the ones I'm looking at are small.  By the way, Mannix, for the heater, can you use 12 volts DC or is it AC?  Also, for the grid (I think that's the equivalent of the base in a transistor?) how much voltage do you apply to it?

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« Reply #58 on: July 30, 2007, 03:21:39 AM »
im going to do some work tonight and see if i can convert some of the schems i have looked at and post them if i can convert them pictuarly osolators the bloking osolator for triode tubes  and some others that only require the heater to be powered for the tubes by lower voltage like i said there many i found over 15 diffrent osolators and that was barley looking

thank you mannix  have you played with the 6bq7a tube in the past?

our 9 th harmonic will be of vhf and it must be clean if we intend on using it at all we can do that with tubes because thease tubes produce crystal clear sounds that few other things do

is

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« Reply #59 on: July 30, 2007, 03:50:07 AM »
I wish I could help with the experiementation somehow.  I'm gonna start looking for a job tomorrow, SOMETHING!  I'm tired of being broke.