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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2007, 08:01:33 AM »
I have start 1950 , to work with tubes (In fatger radio-repair-shop
and buid radio- transmitterns , also audio ampliers and all kind of devices. Also done this later pressional.
I know als the wrintings  this tubesfrom tesla- car to SM with
his Recrifier Tubes .
I have all kind from this tubes (used , from US-Military electronic
equipments in my stock.
BUT...forget this circuits , it cant work this way

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2007, 10:09:19 AM »
@Pese

Yes. This tube cannot be the one that switches high power to a coil. It is designed for small signals.

But it could be used as the control for a gated rectifier. One with a plate cap. Perhaps those used as TV beam deflection switches for the horizontal deflection transformer?


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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2007, 12:08:28 PM »
Jes but als bigtups that work wit 300volt and 0,5 amps,
will not work. The design of cicuits is not know to find FE.
Possible from "NOISE" (great bandwth frequencies?) Tesla-Car?

Altat ist possibel with Tube , canbe done also with semiconductors.
Relais , Sparks and so on.
All FE desings are to find frequencies and harmoiccs of them , than will be ADD other frequencies (and Power) in the designed citcuit (devices) .  mechanical , electric , magnetic , caloric , nuclear OR any othe way .
THIS is to find out . After this , it can be examinate if you will
do this with tubes or other  way,

Only to think, old  "exotic" devices , can possibly "bring" Overunity ... IS THE WRONG WAY

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2007, 02:48:59 PM »
about old things steven said it would be much easyer to get the thing to work using tubes also in the vid link i posted when they sweep the freq you will notice there is a verry tight window for the freq to make the coil ringg also when the signal gets to the other end of the coil it flips phase with the meter then is sent back through with the next pluse and so on

so if there was a tube sending siginal and another tube phase inverting the siginal at the end of the coil well if the tubes were the ones they spoke of in the video then each time a pluse came throught to the tube it will kock more electrons off in side the tube with  each pluse so the electricty will grow with each pluse 

well
also steven said lamp wire for the collectors works best  he also said 3 collectors stacked all have control winds on them in 3 or more segements  now if we apply this to the tpu we might have some luck

ok in the vid remember how the magnetic feilds increase near the end of the coil and the caps are the oppsite so what if

collector 1 has 3 coils on it and 3 caps and the mag feild goes like this  coil1 weak coil 2 stronger coil 3 strongest then the next layer  goes the same only turned by 120 deg and the same with the top layer out of phase by 120 deg each layer

so what i am saying is this
pluse collector 1 then 2 then 3 and you are passing a verry strong mag feild all around the collectors

steven said that we will need several hundred  thousand kicks per second to combine all togather at the same freq to make a big usable kick or output power

1 more thing steven said

IT WAS NOT DIFFICUALT AT ALL!!!!!!!

im sure steven has told us much more than we even need to know about the tpu

yesterday i was plusing a trans former backward right out of my freq gen and it was set to 12 v and i plused 1 set of wires and when i hit the right freq for the transformer it would humm big time with no magnets and i mesured the output of the transformer and it was over 70v ac at the right freq for the transformer no useable power but if i put a fet or a high speed switch to turn off and on 12v dc at 2-3 amps im sure i would have useable output power so what if you had 3 transformers plused backward each feeding 1 of the 3 collector layers and each of the layers out of phase by 120 deg so then i would be putting about 70v or so through each of my 3 layers and i should then have a verry strong mag feild racing around a ring so im guessing when we hit the right speed of the ring all 3 layers that are out of phase will make a constant huge mag feild and surround the ring compleatly just as though it was a constant input

so i guess what im think ing is this make 3 coils each diffrent freqs or diffrent harmonicas of the same freq

im gonna leave it there 4 now

i had 1 more thought about the ring 

what about this  when we cancel the flux of the ring  inside of the ring does that cancel the flux to the earth?  if it does it makes sence when you turn it upside down it will not work

if that is right then it is like we are pluging our tpu in to the earth and traping power from it in the ring and only letting out of it what we want to use from it if that is correct then it is like we have connected it with the earth or set in in vibration with the earth

well all from me for a bit back to the bench

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2007, 05:11:49 PM »
Yeah, IS has the right idea I think.  I'm doing the same with three collectors on top of each other.  SM seems to talk about the collectors more than the controls in his letters?  I figured he would want to explain more about the controls...

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2007, 06:35:04 PM »
Tubes work diffrent then SS parts.

much much much diffrent.

ohm's law does not apply to tubes.
Voltage is generated as the electrons accelerate and hit the plate.
most of the times the circuit is fed with a DC signal.
for example when you take a microphone as the input you usually switch it in series with let's say a 6 volt DC source because otherwise the AC signal from the mic will try to pull a push circuit which will result signals in the wrong way and in energy loss.
therefore we switch in the 6 volt DC so the signal from the mic will always be positive, the AC signal will simply add to the DC signal.
like the AC signal is 0 +1 +3 +1 0 -1 -3 -1
then the signal with the added 6 Volt DC would be +6 +7 +10 +6 +5 +3 +5 etc, always positive with respect to the tube.

then in the second stage the condensors will decouple the signal and the end tube will amplify the incoming signal quite powerfull even with a low input signal.

i am doing a great study on tubes and i am starting to understand what Steven means.

M.

 

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2007, 11:00:08 PM »
well i went tube shopping today and i managed to find 1 6bq7a tube for 5 bucks and i bought an old tube radio

so i came home and just found the data sheet for that tube it explains all about that tube here is the link

http://tubedata.tigahost.com/tubedata/sheets/155/6/6BQ7A.pdf

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2007, 11:59:13 PM »
Nice  :)

does the radio still work?

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2007, 01:04:00 AM »
hello marco it sure does it is a 1943 westing house am all tube radio  there are about 5 tubes in it there inst much else inide it a few resisitors model # is 808L5

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2007, 04:15:03 AM »
Ahhh! What we used to call 'The All American 5 tuber'. I'm sure it wasn't invented in the US.

There was a day when I could draw the schematic from memory. Lots of hummmm. Lots of heat.

It may be easier for most to do the test/design stuff with SS but not me.

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2007, 09:16:31 AM »
mmmm BEP super hetrodine or that other thing Grundidg mmmm Wier ? low vaues of the tuber ELL ---- punatgmmm gezz

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2007, 11:15:58 PM »
@marco ,
same  what you like ti do with tubes
you can dio also with high voltages J-Fets !!!
Exacly same  in Input and Output - Signal an Currents..

But MOS-Fet have more the Characteristics
same as Transistors ..

If you have some Ask for that.
I have done more than 50 Years professionally worked
and experience with specially all this devices.
Find my Email in Overunity "Profil".
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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2007, 08:18:20 AM »
NO! , they can act much in the same way but they are two completly diffrent things...
that would like to say a duck is a chicken just because they are both birds and look the same but it is not right.

M.

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2007, 11:14:35 AM »
right.
SS habe not heater , not barium in the devive.
also hv rect. tube (25kv)  damper or booster dides lik GY500
make BETA radiation , and possibel that will produce also
"starnger" energies in the cathode ore anode line.

that FE that was "deiscovered in rectivier circuit from (SM?`)
was make wis rect. tubes frum 5xx# Serie.
So like 5U4  enc. You will see my tube list. all 5XX# tubes
are usefull for this.
But you will not find any energy , more than the nois taht will produced from
the boiled barium.

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Re: Tubes?
« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2007, 02:39:42 PM »
Hi Pese,

Steven said he origionally got the idea of electron circuits which used the rectifier tubes, not that they produce FE....

to go further you need Triodes.
The tubes first made by Lee De Forrest when he placed a spiral shaped grid between the cathode and the anode so he could influence the electron beam flowing in between.

It's intresting you mention the Gamma emission,it involves the compton scattering and all is intresting related to electron emission.
Specially because we know the voltage has to be high enough to "make the violing work" so to say.

But if that is the true behind the TPU?
i do not know, could be i hope we will find out.

Marco.