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Gregi

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2007, 10:53:22 PM »
I think you are right Carl, calling it a hoax would already imply that we know exactly how he did it and how it works.
So I modified the title, to be as factual as possible.

Sorry for having rushed with this judgment.

Personally, I still think the TPU is real and I am not discouraged by EMdevices' revelation. I understand that he got fed up with it and it was a way to release some pressure.

Regards,
Greg

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2007, 10:58:19 PM »
I guess I really couldn't follow your post very well, Lindsay.  Oh well.  The TPU is real, I believe it is, the open TPU was pretty convincing I must say.  We're so close to making one of these that...well, I dunno.  But, we're close.

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2007, 11:03:25 PM »
I recently had a revelation.  A new thought if you will, maybe it will tie in with your explainations?  Well, what if we had three segments of coil wound perpendicularly to a collector, like everyone is doing.  Put frequency x in one 2x in another, and x in the last.  Now, what if we made two more of these and put on underneath and one on top of the original?  Both the top and bottom could have half the frequency of the middle.  Does that sound plausible to you, Mark?

Thank you for your excellent documentation on spinors!

Bruce_TPU

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2007, 11:56:58 PM »
EM said he was sorry.  I say for me, apology accepted.

"Hope deferred makes the heart sick."

So what is the cure?  ...HOPE

Many on this forum are experimenting with what we now know.  And what we do not know shall be found out, as small advancements continue.  I for one, do not care to hear any more S.M. theories, unless combined with experimentation.   

We have enough to work with.  And that which we have is more than just theory.  That should give us hope.
The answer will, from here on out, be found at the bench.

Hang in there EM.  Time to build for real.  ;)

"What one man can do, another man can do!"


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Bruce

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2007, 11:59:47 PM »
hey Carl, you pic is missing  ;D

Yeah, I just noticed it, I'll have to check my webserver.

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2007, 12:00:17 AM »
@EMdevices,

You didn't deceive me at no moment! When you post your video, I just understood it was false and that you wanted to show us something, perhaps giving us a lesson.

Remember when you said me that you would like to believe that the experiment of Cook/Brnbrade Coils (CBC) meant OverUnity? Didn't make sense if you don't believe that a wire handful and some components could become a OverUnity, and days later you would show your own OverUnity. Here was a faith question. Or you believe, or you don't believe, therefore, it didn't make sense!

In your proper words: "The videos have all the clues but we have you put up with low resolution ones." and your video imitated in identical way (low resolution) what we saw in the SM videos, without adding more details on the operation of the OverUnity.

In any way, I understood your "hidden" message since the first time that I watch your video.

In other hand, I found your false OU interesting and I wound like to know how you build it.

"I want to believe!" ha ha ha

Regards,

Doug

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2007, 12:12:40 AM »
There it is :)

MeggerMan

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2007, 12:47:31 AM »
@All,
Well done EM, I really thought you had cracked it then, its a shame its a hoax, or so you say....?

When the bulbs are lit up, there seems to be a rectangular outline in the carpet, I'm guessing you lifted the carpet and put some cable carrying 90V DC under the carpet.
Passed two enamel copper wires through the carpet and there you have it.

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Rob


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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #38 on: July 17, 2007, 01:34:50 AM »
Hi EM,
I merged this thread now with the postings in the other thread, so it is all in one
thread.

So how did you fake it ?
Please come clean and tell us, where you did hide the batteries.
What sized batteries did you use ?
Must be pretty small sized, if they are hidden in your TPU ?

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #39 on: July 17, 2007, 01:44:22 AM »
@EM

You?ve lost whatever small amount of credibility you had left. People should not be making excuses for you. We should just accept your situation as it truly is and continue on with our research without you.

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #40 on: July 17, 2007, 01:54:12 AM »
@ all

Hold your horses! I have another theory. EM was going to go on vacation. Then he got all these PM's and emails asking him to show them how he did this. We'll, maybe he's doing this to create a detour so you guys won't send him any more PM's and junk his email box until he returns and then he will show the REAL stuff!

Or maybe EM's experiments Leads out to more illusions!

Oh, I shouldn't have watched that "The Illusionist" movie last night. Now I am really confused!

cheers
chrisC

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #41 on: July 17, 2007, 02:24:03 AM »
@EM

You?ve lost whatever small amount of credibility you had left. People should not be making excuses for you. We should just accept your situation as it truly is and continue on with our research without you.


Comon' now.  A little hype is nothing to stress.  Besides, it only enlightened us further!  Once he gets back he can show us how he did it!

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #42 on: July 17, 2007, 02:38:48 AM »
@EM

I think I'll have to say that you have actually gained credibility. After all, Some of the best artistic talent is used 'faking/copying' the masters.

BTW - If that was mine I would have to have two internal toroid secondaries (more windings each) because I haven't figured a way to generate separate plus and minus super-pulses off of one circuit without squelching the opposite output   ;D

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #43 on: July 17, 2007, 03:12:28 AM »
This highlights a lesson I learned after being seduced into replication attempts of several types of devices (not TPU's). Seeking to blindly copy someone else?s design is a bit like gold rush fever. You don?t know what you are doing; you don?t have enough information to go on; it's often doomed to failure as it's based on misinformation. It's little better than gambling.

The lesson it to strive for understanding so that you can intelligently design your own devices and add to the collective pool of information.

I don?t want to tease here but I do want to give a concrete experimental example. A very knowledgeable friend suggested that I make a unique 3 component coil design over a year ago -- the reason being that the magnetic field generated by the set of coils required an SU2 solution -- in simple terms it could not be modeled within current methods and required a full 4 dimensional solution. Anyway -- I resisted making the triple coil arrangement because it would have been hard to make and I didn't feel that the failure for it to fit within current analysis was a good enough reason to make it -- I would have had no clear direction in what to expect or how to use it... Six months after that (November last year I think) I realized that the coil set (I call it B3) could be driven by 3 phase signal to generate a rotation field that had two different, and view independent, directions. This was something new and suggested questions like: IS this a model for charged particles? Would a positive rotating B3 filed induce a negative rotating B3 field in another B3 coil set? ... And so I built the B3 coil set. I tuned them and ran it as 3 separate LC resonators, Delta L + Wye C, and Wye L + Delta C... and I discovered that I had invented a 3 Phase passive resonator that works predictably in all of those configurations. After looking for other similar work I was surprised and delighted to find that this is something new. I then went on to discover that I could use two tuned B3 coil sets as transmitter and receiver of rotational field signals -- and that a positive rotation transmitter will induce a negative rotation in the receiver, and visa versa. Then I discovered that I could use the transmitter receiver pair to detect relative orientation and axial rotation (full relative quaternion orientation) remotely -- again something new.
These discoveries are fantastic but they don?t begin to address the reason I made these B3 coils -- I made them because their ability to generate two view independent phase rotations makes them a candidate to control spin and therefore couple electromagnetism to gravity -- and generate a lot of other interesting effects. This work has barely begun.
So to my point -- I didn?t race in and just pump the B3 coils full of energy looking for the "pot of gold". I have been doing simple tests first to better understand and characterize the device and processes. In doing so it looks like I have discovered a novel new class of passive 3 phase resonator and a superior remote orientation sensing technology. I may also have a model for charge -- more tests are required to show that. I would have missed these if I had gone for broke straight away. As yet I have not pumped lots of energy in and done that things I plan to attempt to get interesting new effects.

So -- not wanting to derail EMdevices thread ;) ...be very careful and methodical in your researches. Study and understand all of the "classical" effects that you will encounter so you can identify when something really new is happening. Measure and control everything and be very observant. It's always a delight if you uncover something unexpected -- most of the time it will be something already known, but that won?t diminish your achievement of discovering it for yourself.

An opinion on the TPU style devices -- Based on theory and what I have seen these configurations would require very precise timing and construction to tune. They don?t have any topological advantages to permit sloppy design.

Mark Soswell.

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Re: EMdevices' TPU with batteries in it
« Reply #44 on: July 17, 2007, 03:13:44 AM »
I remember a few tales  some body told me some time ago..it went like this..
as I recall it......

I am sorry you had to deal with another perpetrator of tricks and fraud.
But I will now share some things with you explaining why I had to perform my demonstrations the way I did. I had to make sure

that no educated person could find any way to claim our demonstration was faked, so....
 
We went out of our way to SHOW that there were no possible EXTRA connections other then between the TPU's and the

device being powered. Wether that be 1000 watts of light bulbs or an electric drill. I had to make certain that anyone could

clearly see that you could trace the wires from the TPU DIRECTLY to the powered device, and no other wires going anywhere.

I also made sure that I moved ALL the devices into the air and around to prove that they were not resting on any, or connected

to hidden wires, etc.
Next, I used a meter to show the output voltage before and after connection to the load to indicate any circuit changes and to

endorse the fact that there was a direct connection, etc.
Next, in many of my demonstrations, I switched the output of the 1 KW unit through a resister and commenced making a large

and long frequency DC spark from one test lead to the other!!! Do you have any idea how MUCH voltage you must have to do

what is shown in the videos?
In all my demonstrations I shut off the powered ,load by disconnecting one of the wires going from the TPU to the load to prove

that the circuit was indeed through the TPU providing power to the load.
Next, I used a magnetic amp gage to show that while in operation the TPU puts out a considerable magnetic field.... It proves

that there is considerable power being generated to make the light bulbs glow, etc.if the TPU was just a fake and not the

source of the power then the amp gage wouldn't show a thing when it got near to the TPU!
 
All of these things had a purpose to prove to engineers and the like that  the TPU's really provided the power you see in the

videos.
 
There was great thought that went in to the demonstrations in order to make sure that no one could possibly accuse us of Tom

foolery!!!
That is why NO ONE has been able to even fake a suitable TPU demonstration, because it can not be done.!
Sincerely,




I have one more story for you which i believe you will find interesting.
I was told to take my research team to the LA valley to see a demonstration of a power generator which was purported to be

just like mine...
 
WE came into an apartment and in the living room was a nice young man who had a small ring very similar to the size and

shape of my TPU.
He asked for one million dollars if he could make the lamp next to the unit light for an hour or more.
 
We said , sure.
Then he proceeded to make some Hocus Pocus and on went the light. It was a 120 volt- 100 watt light bulb in a heavy

porcelain table lamp sitting on the flour about two feet from his copy of my TPU.
 
After a while I asked him if i could use some test equipment. He said that I could NOT because I would disturb the

ELECTROMATIC  fields around the unit which had to be perfect..... Hmmmm!!!!???? Sounded more like a vacuum cleaner to

me.
 
Anyway, we all stood there for over an hour and the light burned very brightly for as long as we stood.
WE told him that he had something worth a lot of money and could possible save the world, etc. We decided to leave his

apartment and go to a restaurant to discuss the need for further tests and of course talk about the money which we

disappointingly did not bring with us on that day....Ha, Ha!!!
 
As soon as the inventor turned around to get his jacket I calmly walked over to the heavy lamp and preceded to pick it up. After

it was in the air we all noticed that the wires from his TPU copy went nowhere but just sat under the lamp while it was on the

floor. HOWEVER, the lamp did have two wires coming out of it and going into a small hole in the carpet!
We pulled on the wires and noted that they eventually went over to a wall outlet where they received 120 volts AC.
 
Nice little story isn't it?
Such is life.