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Title: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:17:10 AM
This thread discusses a possible explanation for TPU and other devices. It is intended to support and lead directly to rational experimental design.

Time permiting I will modify this first post as an index to valuable material as the threas gets longer.

The ideas I bring to the area come from years of part time experimental and theoretical research. I am well versed in the activities of the "free energy" and skeptic communities visible on the web now and in the past. My contribution is in developing new conceptual models that fit both classical engineering and the potential new phenomena being observed.

I am not interested in theory alone nor abstract concepts and maths. I seek simple conceptual models that can be visualised and used to design new technology. I have a well equiped workshops and do as much experimental work as time permits.

In post 5 & 6 I give an outline of the experimental sequence I will be following when I get time. If you have/are already doing simillar experiments or you plan to follow through the tests I suggest please let me know.

Cheers

Mark
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Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:22:56 AM
Originally posted at: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.65.html

The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.

I comment here simply to make the observation that the TPU and other related devices (Aurelano's "Mexican device" and Hollingsheads devices) all appear to embody spinor resonance configurations. No one seems to have noticed this as yet... Regretably the quaternion maths to describe spinors is hardly taught outside the one practical application of 3D rotations in 3D applications. Visualization of quaternion and spinors is even less know -- barely done at all.

I have been working on new vizualizations of spinors and have discovered a diverse range of coil configurations that make sense from the point of creating (or tuning into) spinor resonance but are nonsensical in any other context. I supose I can release one image now -- all of the apparent "coils" in the attached image are actually snapshots of trace lines through 3D space as it is distorted by a radiating spinnor. -- forget any intuition borrowed from simple axial rotation as you look at this image. Spinors work quite differnetly -- the spin direction and axis are indicated by the white arrow in the foreground. If you look closley you will also note that the traces spirall in counterwound fashion.

anyway... a lot of what people are stumbling onto appears to make good sense from the standpoint of spinor resonance which, as you can see, is very different from simple single axis rotational systems.

I also attached a (sorry for the blur) scope trace showing output of a passive 3 phase resonator. The phase separation is not perfect in this shot -- it's very dificult to tune perfectly and reject the background single phase resonance in the component coils. The 3 phase resonance has a Q >10x the Q for single phase resonance of component coils and is very difcult to tune into. If you didn't know it was there it would be extreemly dificult to find.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:26:44 AM
Originally posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.69.html

In response to questions in a few PM's.

One of my recent activities is as founder and president of the Computer Graphics Society www.CGSociety.org

I have been lurking around this field for a long time. I have rarely posted anywhere before because of the low signal to noise ratio in public forums. I am posting here now because I noticed a good signal to noise ratio and a number of people that are doing real work and thinking.

I have been doing some caerfull experiments in a number of areas for a a number of years. The research and experiments are aimed at understanding what is really happening rather then trying to duplicate others work.

I have visited some very interesting people and groups that are very secretive. Steven Marks TPU is not unique -- it has almost exactly the same behaviour, artifacts, failure modes etc as at least one other groups technology that I have seen.

I have been developing conceptual models for spacetime, particles (spinor waves) and spherical wave interactions etc for some years now. Spinors are central to this -- I cant stress enough just how different real spherical rotation (spinor) is to the common concept of rotation. No one will fully understand untill you see the animations and play with the parameters -- lots of them.

One of the rare posts I made a while ago is here http://marksnoswell.cgsociety.org/gallery/329928 it's rough and unedited but will interest the readers here.

I believe I have a good conceptual model that fits with current theories but simply explains what is happening in areas that embarass current theories -- things like black holes, renormalization, and the ratio of gravity to electromagnetic forces. When I find time to present it well I'll put it up on the web. It also appears to fit with a number of features people ar stumbling onto in areas such as the TPU -- it also neatly supports Randal Mills CQM. However what is most encouraging is that it has suggested practical devices and experiments which are exhibiting predictable and novel features in early research.

AH -- I see I miss read the attachment limitation previously -- I can upload some of the animations. Attached is a recent development I made -- it's a simple three shell solution for a spinor. There are three nested shells - each linkes to the next. There is a simple harmonic rotation on each shell as shown. This demonstrates the application of 3 components -- two at a fundamental frequency and one at the second harmonic -- that combine to create a spinor. I made this development in response to the desire to come up with a spinor fomulation that I coul make from nested coils. I believe that this (and it's topoligical equivelants) is the simplest posible formulation of a spinor. The practical side of the research is in early stages but appears to support the theory so far.

goto go now.

cheers.

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:28:23 AM
Originally posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.72.html

just time for some quick notes...

Must have pulses for (efficent) OU effects... you need a spin wave front. If the core effect is due to spin waves fronts driving spinor resonance then the timing of component signals within SM TPU configuration will not be what you expect -- Start with full control of pulse timing and separation for three drive coils and just tune up one at a time.

Drive coils dont need to be closed -- leave them open circuit and it will still work (with dramatically lower input requirment). It's the spin pulse on potential jump that is the motive force. This is the pulse Edison engineers noticed and Tesla called the radiant pulse. By wrapping a collector wire with the drive coil the resulting spin wave front drives current down the central collector coil -- this is what SM alluded to as "like squezing water along a hose". (Ideally the potential pulse is so short that it can be contained within a percentage of the drive coil -- there will be an optimum pulse width but that probably a lot shorter then anyone is using at present.)

Static bias potentials -- both electric and magnetic -- can/need-to be controled for tuning. (This can be used to modulate the output for ease of matching/forming to power grid frequency.)

There is an exponential relationship of static potential to output -- drive with high voltage pulses for maximum effect. Conversly you will have a hard time tuning devices with low voltage pulses.

Start with sine waves and you wont get anywhere. -- you will get lots of nice rotating fields but no easy access to interesting effects.

cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:32:05 AM
Originally posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.75.html

Quote from: Jdo300 on July 13, 2007, 01:56:09 PM
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The "second harmonic component" seems to line up with your idea of using x, 2x, x harmonics. Can the effect still work if all three frequencies are the same and just phase shifted?


No. In principal -- 3 in phase signals in 3 non-linked coils just vectorially add to a single component. You need independant control of pulse timing and the right coil design... but this is all based on work I have done simulating spinors. This work seems to fit SM and other devices better than any other theory I have seen but thats no guarantee that its right. Right now I am trying to extend my spinor generation software (a plugin within 3ds max) so I can search for higher order frequency relationships. I expect that exact phase timings will depend on the physical relationship of the coils -- there will also be different timings (harmonics) you can drive at given a single physical setup.

What is certain is that three independant components are required to create spinors. There is a huge range of physical ways to generate these components. There is also a corresponding large range of potential signal sets to create different spinors. As SM said -- start with one drive and then just vary the second component looking for maximum output... and then add the third and itterate to improve. After you have a set of timings that work then you can start to experiment with resonant feedback.

hm... if I get a chance over the next few days I'll put up an animation that makes this all clearer.

Mark.

PS. In some ways SM's TPU designs are sloppy -- at a guess about 10 years behind a competive technology. Although interesting effects seem easy to get *precise* physical designs should result in even more suprising effects. Whatever people make they should strive for very neat construction and be aware of small design changes that influence the output. As a hint look at Randal Mills work with generating Hydrinos and ask yourself how a low energy (reduced spin) electron from a hydrino would behave as a charge carrier in a wire.

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:35:16 AM
Originally posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.78.html

Hi,
     If I am on the right track with the spinor resonance then phase, pulse timing and coil configurations wont quite be what you expect -- that doesnt mean they will be complicated, but not what classical intuition would lead you to expect. Simple experimentation is called for...

I won?t have time to do experimental work on this project for a few months. I have some other projects to finish, an overseas trip and an office to move first.

 If anyone is interested this is exactly how I will start. I?m giving instructions here so that others can try this if they wish. No guarantees -- this is just what I plan to do based on every bit of practical, hearsay and theoretical information I have to hand.

Construction:

1.   Starting with a single collector coil and primary. I would use some heavy duty coax for my collector coils as this provides a perfect core to wind the primaries on. RG218 is a good candidate. Cut 1196mm length and strip the outer sheath and remove the braiding ? this leaves the 15.7mm OD PE dielectric with 4.95mm OD copper core. The reason for using the coax is that you want precise and even spacing of the primary coil from the surface of the collector wire. I think this will work better than a stranded core ? it?s the precise/consistent spacing that is critical. Leave the striped coax straight for now.

2.   Wind a primary coil. I would do this on my lathe winding tightly with 1mm OD magnet wire over a  15mm OD steel former. After winding ? when the tension is released the coil will spring back enough to easily remove it from the former. It should slide snugly over the 15.7mm coax core you have prepared.

3.   The RG218 core is 5mm OD solid copper ? not very flexible and very hard to solder too neatly. For connecting to it I would drill 0.95mm holes radial into it right near the ends. I would then inert 1mm solid wire that I had sanded to a slight taper.

4.   Shrink wrap to hold the primary firmly in place. Alternately wrap tightly with a single layer of electrical tape.

5.    I would bend the completed collector with primary coil assembly over a circular former to bend into circular form. Tape the ends together and you can remove it from the form. The heavy copper core of the RG218 will help to stabilize the circle.

6.   *Variation: I would actually wind a perfect counterwound primary in anticipation of testing single primary vs counterwound. The reason for this is that we are interested in the spin wave front and not the B field generated by the primary. It may work better to eliminate the B field by applying the pulse to a counterwound primary. It is easy to wind a counterwound primary now and start testing driving just one helix. (I attached a photograph of the first counterwound coil I ever wound -- I found a novel way to make these perfectly and easily and made a whole lot of them a while back

**OK -- you can also try a complete coax solution -- using the shield as the primary and core as the collector. In theory I thik this would work but the speed fo the spin wave front would be to fast to make for a practical design with a managable circumference.


Test procedure:

1.   Start with just one primary/collector coil.

2.   Connect the collector to a low impedance load ? a 100w incandescent light bulb.

3.   Drive the primary coil with the shortest pulse you can cleanly generate.  I would use a 600V MOSFET and drive with rectified mains voltage ~ 340V. I would use a good MOSFET driver like TC4421 and do everything else possible to ensure a clean fast pulse.

4.   Slowly sweep the drive frequency from 1Khz or so up to 100Khz looking for a peak in output. At this stage any peak should have a relatively low Q so it should be easy to find.

5.   I would then vary the pulse width ? looking to see if there is an optimum.

6.   I would repeat the previous step with single wound and counterwound primaries. I would try it with the primaries open circuit first and then closed to ground through a modest resistive load ? 1K ? 100K or so. The reasoning here is that we are looking for the optimum timing of the spin wave front pushing (SM talks about kicking and squeezing) a charge pulse down the collector == very fast circulating static field == very fast rotating magnetic field.

7.   After finding the optimum drive frequency for the first collector coil I would then add a second coil set. Space it one primary minor diameter above the first coil set ? that will be 15.7mm. I would use acetal or nylon spacers to hold the coil sets apart and tape them firmly together.
 
8.   I would series connect the collectors and check that with just driving the bottom primary things are working as expected. With the first primary (bottom coil set) running I would sweep the drive frequency of the second primary looking for further increase in the output. I would expect the Q to be higher now so I would sweep more slowly so as not to miss a resonance peak.

9.   I would repeat the previous step with the third (top) coil set added.

** After getting the three coil sets working as well as possible I would look at adding a bias coil around the whole set ? this is the single outer toroidal winding over SM devices.  I would use this winding to control both the static and magnetic bias environment for the three coil sets.

** All of this would be done with three independent signal sources. Only after getting everything tuned and working like this would I attempt to put in resonant feedback ? from one collector to the next primary.

** I would also repeat all of the above with three segment primary coils on a single colector and injecting the three frequencies into those three primaries on a single collector. I would try 3 primaries covering 120 deg and also 3 primaries covering 360 deg but tharting 120 apart.

If any of you are looking for control boards check out www.futurlec.com ? I would not use the http://www.futurlec.com/ATMEGA_Controller.shtml even though it has 6 independent PWM?s ? it?s too slow and you cant get good precise pulse width control over 10Khz or so. I am looking at using 3 of these http://www.futurlec.com/ARM7024_Controller.shtml and syncing them up.


Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:41:01 AM
Originally posted at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2637.80.html


Additional note for experimenters:

When series connecting the colector coils you have to either trim the conector length or tune the pulse delay (phase) of the drive coils. The reson is that it's the phase alignment and spacing of the multiple pulse trains in the collector coil that can give rise to a spinor resonance.


Tao -- yes I saw your posts... and everything else in this forum.


Rob -- "RE: spinor_--_electrical_coil_analouge_-_45deg_helicies.jpg
Does this show 4 conical shaped vorticies of magnetic field?"

No. I have attached the image here again for reference. The "coils" you see are trace lines through 3D space. This image is a composite showing some of the distorion of space at various points inside a spinor. As it is a spin 1/2 spinor it repeats every 720 deg (NOT 360 deg). At + 45 deg you get the orange and at -45 deg the red conical pairs of spacial distortions. At 360 deg you get the pancacke and solenoid distortion (in fact all of the spherical volume is wound up at 360 deg).
This image suggests that a spinor resonance could be generated with various coils wound in a simillar fashion to the image. However phasing of the coils would be dificult -- thay would best be driven with timed pulses at the phase angles I indicated.

I have attached two animations of composite spinors. There is *no* tnagling of space. In the first animation you can see that the central spere rotates twice in one cycle -- this is a spin 1/2 characteristic. You are looking at a representation of a spherical wave like the one that could be an electron or proton. These waves spin space continuously but never tangle space. There is no magic or trickery here although it is beyond everyday intuition -- you really can take any closed 3D volume and spin it continuously in oue direction without it ever geting tangled.

In the second animation you see a layered spinor (it's still spin 1/2). With the multiple spinors layered it is easier to se the regular distortions of space at various points in the 720 deg cycle.

In case you think these animations show an unrealistic distortion of space -- they do not. With a Plank length mesh and the diameter of a proton the distortions you see here would be flatter than the curvature of surface of the Earth!


The final image is a snapshot of orthognal trace lines distorted in a 3 phase spinor with homogenous energy distribution into all availble curvature modes, but with rigid shells for any given radius. The remarkable feature is that space is spiraling along every axis -- even though there is no tangling of and we are dealing with harmonic rotations of rigid spherical shells!

Cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 03:53:54 AM
Answers to Earl's questions

Quote from: Earl
Why do you use the term "3-phase" in the image name:
3_phase_spinor_-__Mark_Snoswell_2006_.jpg

Because the i, j and k components of the quaternion function have sine waves 120 deg apart... as oposed to the classical belt trick forumulation of q(t, β) = [ sin2(β) + cos2(β)cos(2t, π), 0, cos(β)sin(β)(1 - cos(2tπ)), cos(β)sin(2tπ) ] where the j term is zero.

See here for a detailed explanation of the belt trick and quaternions http://books.elsevier.com/companions/0120884003/vq/Belt-Trick/index.html  ... this is as far as anyone had gone visualizing quaternions. I started there and have gone a lot further -- when I get time I will put all the results up on my own web page.

Quote from: Earl
If one was to take the copper-colored cone-shaped coils, as in the image below, and feed the two cones with HV narrow pulses of opposite polarity (at the pointed ends) would a radiant energy collector as shown in green be the best location?  Or the flat spiral Tesla type of coil colored in blue?  Or maybe the outside purple-colored coil?  Here the pulses would have to be sufficiently short and the cone coil conductors sufficiently long such that the pulse would end before something traveling at the speed of light reached the end of the cone coil.  This is an absolutely crazy idea that has nothing to do with traditional engineering thought.

Who knows -- these sorts of things have not been done before. However I am not really interested in random experiments but rather caerfull tests to validate theory and move towards new devices with an understanding of how they work. I have started this and the results are very encouraging -- but I am not commenting further on that work here and now.


cheers

mark.

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: gn0stik on July 15, 2007, 10:02:47 AM
Awesome mark, and thanks. Like I said, not to detract, but it's better here, anyway. Your theories are all together and make a coherent picture here as well, reading them all in a row like that.

Nice

Much appreciated mate.
Rich
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: bitRAKE on July 15, 2007, 11:16:18 AM
Theory is very important with so many unknowns, but my gut has me throwing together a tetrahedral device - should be pumping signals through it soon.
/me sits in front row...
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Gustav22 on July 15, 2007, 11:39:14 AM
....Cut 1196mm length...

Hi MarkSnoswell,

I was curious why you chose such a seemingly awkward length.
So I tired to find out, and if my calculations are correct, 1196mm circumference lead to a ring of ca. 38cm (15") diameter.

Please let me know why you have chosen this specific diameter
and/or which other diameters you think make sense
and/or whether all collector diameters imaginable are equally feasible to achieve success.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 15, 2007, 02:16:19 PM
I was curious why you chose such a seemingly awkward length.
So I tired to find out, and if my calculations are correct, 1196mm circumference lead to a ring of ca. 38cm (15") diameter.

LOL... as good as any size to start with -- not to to small and not to big. There is nothing to indicate that any particular size is best so I figured why not use the size SM has inspired everyone to try. I also dont think that it's a particular fundamental frequency that is important if it's spinor resonances as I suspect -- The absolute frequency is only important to tune to the physical properties of the coils used. It's the topology and frequency ratios that are important -- absolute static biases are also important factors in that they make the systems more coherent. 
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 16, 2007, 04:54:38 PM
So where does the energy come from?  Electron spin. That?s the short answer? we convert a very small amount of an electron spin to a lot of momentum == electromotive force == useful current.

I figured that?s the best way to start ? just blurt out the answer and then back it up. As time permits I?ll explain more the supporting postulates. They are just postulates, not dogma. I may be wrong; however I do believe that I have a small set of concepts that show the way forward without discarding the beautiful work of those who have gone before. I?m not so arrogant to turn my back on the geniuses of the past or present ? instead I stand on their shoulders in an attempt to look out further and deeper into the nature of things. Above all I strive to make things clear for everyone and not just the mathematically gifted ? these are conceptual models that I will present; with all due respect and deference to the great mathematical works of past and present.

So back to the questions everyone wants to know the answer to -- where does the ?free? energy come from and how do we tap it??
 In practice Randal Mills (www.blacklightpower.com) has provided the most modern and compelling experimental evidence for this. Mills has shown that the electron in hydrogen can be dropped to a lower energy level than was previously thought possible. The amount of power released by dropping the electron to a lower energy level is >100x more than released by chemical oxidation of hydrogen. Mills shows that dropping the electron to this lower level is a non-radiative process ? it does not involve emission of a photon.
Now rather then get into a deeper discussion of Mills process and arguments I want to address the question ? why does it work? Why can we lower an electron to a lower energy level and get a lot of energy out? The simple reason is that the vast amount of energy in ?particles? is in their spin. When I say particles here I am referring to fermions ? electrons, protons and neutrons. These all exhibit spin ? -- which means that they are spin waves in a simply connected 3D space? if the language is confusing then just think of them as spinning waves... But very special spinning waves of the sort in the attached animation. I can?t stress enough just how different the spinning waves are than your normal concept of spin. Physicists refer to these waves as spinors and I will use that term (and spin) to distinguish them from normal (single axis) rotation. I plan to do lots of animations so that everyone can learn to be intuitively happy with the truth that you can take any closed volume of space and spin it?s surface in one direction ? without every tangling 3D space. This sounds fantastic but it is a simple property of 3D space ? but the mathematics, even the concept, is not taught at high school or even at most university level courses? but more on that later. Back to our main theme for now?

But we have been taught that the energy in ?particles? is in their mass ? there is no mention of spin and energy. Yes we have ? but there is subtle error in this intuition. Mass is just curvature of space ? that is pure symmetrical curvature == compression or expansion. It takes energy to curve space and that gives us the Energy=Mass  (forget the constant of c^2 in e=mc^2). So isn?t there a lot of energy in curved space ? Yes, but how do you curve space. How does a spinor (I?ll switch to spinors rather than particles from now on)  create curvature of space. The answer is by spinning ? and remember this is a spinor wave not a simple single axis rotation. The curvature (mass) component of space distortion of a spinor is a symptom of the spin ? not the cause. Spin is the cause ? mass is the symptom; and the *vast* amount of energy is in the spin.

Why is most of the energy in the spin of a spinor rather than it?s mass? The reason is that energy will flow into every available mode possible. I will come back to this in a more rigorous manner at a later date ? for now let?s imagine a simple model? Think of space as a 3D mesh of springs ? introduce some vibration. The number of distortional modes in even a small volume of our 3D mesh is vast ? however the ratio of twisting modes outnumbers pure curvature modes by a truly vast amount == the ratio of the gravitational constant to the EM force. This ratio is on the order of 10^40.

OK ? 3D space has a vast number of ?twist and spin? modes compared to compression. The ?twist and spin? modes are what gives rise to electro magnetism. This gives us both an opportunity and a problem: The opportunity is that we can tap spin energy. The problem is that 3D space can twist and spin in so many modes that it?s incredibly difficult to control the spin. This is the reason that we haven?t stumbled onto the control, and taping, of spin before. It takes an exquisite degree of control to grab a hold of a spinor (an electron say) and manipulate it?s spin.

Put another way ? the key to unlocking vast amounts of energy is not brute force (as in atomic fusion and fission) it?s control. You need almost no energy, but a great deal of control to unlock a whole range of exciting new effects and energies.

So how much control do we need to control spin? A way to get an idea is to ask how much control do we need to generate a spinor? It turns out that we need at least three independent parameters. This does not mean three magnetic fields ? they would just add up to one field. You need three *independent* parameters to combine at one location. There are lots of possibilities and this is a new area that I am actively researching ? conceptually, constructing animations and looking for fundamental concepts. One of the simplest solutions I have found (which is new) is the nested combination of 3 harmonic waves at frequency ratios x,2x and x. The practical goal is to come up with simple devices that let us control spin == which will result in coupling spin and curvature == gravity, inertia, time, and electro magnetism.

What happens to a low energy electron if we make one ? how does the energy come out? If you drop the spin of an electron you alter it?s charge. As Mills has shown you also alter the energy levels it can readily reach to emit and receive photons. In the first place the altered charge creates a charge imbalance in the surrounding medium and our low energy electron is accelerated electrostatically ? we have current. But now our low energy electron is moving it has very limited opportunity to interact with normal electrons ? there are no allowed energy gaps and so it behaves as a superconducting electron. It can still drive inductive processes, so it?s not hard to couple it to ordinary electrical flow through a transformer. However if a low energy electron does manage to jump up to ground level it takes up energy cooling the environment and resulting in transfer of it?s EMF to ordinary electron flow. These are the characteristics of ?cold electricity? that appear in increasing numbers of reports associated with ?free energy? research.

Enough for now ? It?s (too) late again. I had hoped to explain how this all ties into TPU?s and similar devices ? the accompanying magnetic field (just a different view of spin) jumps etc? later. Many of the consequences should already be apparent to the astute reader.

I  have attached three animations. A single strap animation that shows a connection to a spinning object. notice that it takes two rotations of the object to return to the original condition == 720 deg for one cycle == spin 1/2. THe second animation is a very early and crude hand animation of a spin ? spinor. As crude as it is it is the clearest demonstrator that you can spin a region of space (the sphere in the middle) in one direction without every tangling it?s connection to 3D space. Spinors in 3D space come in two, view independent, forms (handedness) positive and negative ? which is why we have two charges.
I dont have a clean animation to showing the class of spinors that fermions (electrons, protons and neutrons) belong to -- it's a class of spinors with nested positive and negative spinors such that the inside and outside are static. This is the form of a stable spherical standing wave. This is the basic form most likely to represent stable real word spinors ? our electrons, protons and neutrons. Which also brings in the the whole concept of spherical inversion...

g'dnight for now.

Mark Snoswell.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: bob.rennips on July 17, 2007, 12:02:04 AM
Mark, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts. You explain very well indeed. Thank you.

When you talk about modes, you introduced the idea of 'twist'.

In the same way that you are using the term 'spin' to '...distinguish them from normal (single axis) rotation...' is a 'twist' something different in spinar-world, or is it a general term to mean some fraction or multiple of a 720degree turn of a spinar ?

thanks. Bob R.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 17, 2007, 10:18:57 AM
In the same way that you are using the term 'spin' to '...distinguish them from normal (single axis) rotation...' is a 'twist' something different in spinor-world, or is it a general term to mean some fraction or multiple of a 720degree turn of a spinor ?

Hi Bob,
   No -- I was just referring to all of the random vibrational modes that you can subject a connected mesh to.

Here is a simple example of comparing the number of pure compression modes to twist (skew, torsion -- whatever term you like)....

Now before I give this explanation please note that it's not completely correct -- it's simplified to make presentation of the concept easier.

Think of the minimum platonic solid for 3D space - the tetrahedron. It is made up of 4 nodes and 6 connections. Let?s ask ourselves two questions
1. How can we move the nodes so that we change the volume without introducing any twist == curvature == mass.
2. How can be move the nodes to introduce twist but not alter the volume == twist == electromagnetism.

In the first image you see the solution to 1. You can move the nodes along lines radiating from the center of the tetrahedron.

In the second image you see the solution for moving one node so that the volume remains the same but the tetrahedron is twisted. There is a conical surface that you can move each node over.

So what is the ratio of the number of possibilities for twist verses compression? ... well a 2 dimensional space divided by a one dimensional line is an infinite ratio -- nonsensical. The point is that there are vastly more twist modes than there are pure compression modes. The ratio goes up as you increase the volume and complexity of 3D mesh...

If we model space as a plank length 3D mesh made of nodes and links only then by the time we get to the scale of a proton it appears that there is almost no chance of energy appearing as a coherent compression or expansion of space -- it's little wonder that the ratio of gravity to electromagnetic forces is 10^40 -- a number so large that it's beyond comprehension -- in fact it's about the ratio of the diameter of a proton to the diameter of the entire known universe!


But we are not interested in random energy -- we are interested in stable particles. Particularly in electrons because so many of our machines run on electric current. Electrons, protons and neutrons (the fermions) are examples of stable waves. They oscillate -- it's not until you have a stable repeating spherical wave that you can talk about it as a spinor. What the meaning or effect of twisted space would be is unknown. So I talk about twist just to differentiate it from curvature -- actually I sound probably talk about torsion and curvature of space.


hmmm... that leads me to think about what I should explain next. I want to stay close to things that will help experimenters. I think it would be best to talk about collective electrodynamics. I would encourage anyone flowing this thread to get and study Carver Meads book, Collective Electrodynamics. The first chapter is online and is substantially based on this http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/94/12/6013.pdf Even if you can?t follow the simple maths Carvers explanations are elegant and clear...

Anyway... Next post I will explain why static bias (both magnetic and charge) are important in achieving non classical (and over unity possibly) effects. -- put simply there is a very good reason for using a high static voltage to get anomalous effects.

Cheers

Mark.

PS. I was very impressed to see that Bob Boyce stated that he did not achieve over unity in his toroidal units unless the static voltage of the secondary was over 11.5 volts ? and the higher the bias voltage the better. He used 110 ? 160Volts static bias I believe. I look for clues like this to identify people with a lot of real experience and devices worthy of further study.

PPS. A bias of 5Kv or higher would be even better ? *much* better as I?ll explain next time.

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: ronotte on July 17, 2007, 11:24:42 AM
Hi Mark,

I do con firm that static +VDC bias is VERY important to extract power from our rings. Yesterday evening I did some easy tests on my ECD using, for the moment +12V bias on an additional ECD winding...leaving one coil end free....well there certainly is an output power increase!   (load connected to the Mobius ring collector) I wonder what will happen just applyng +200V or more as I don't know if this acceleration effect on electrons moving on collector is directly proportional..if I remember well it should be. So I invite all that are replicating ECD to try.

Another point I'd like to ask Mark is about the correct way to apply the DC potential. Actually I'm thinking that I could make use of part of the ECD output itself ....putting a separation diode and a capacitor I do obtain  more than thousand DC voltage.

Roberto
Title: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Earl on July 17, 2007, 11:39:23 AM
Hi Roberto,

if the +12V goes to one end of a coil, where does the -12V of the power supply connect?

Regards, Earl

Hi Mark,
I do con firm that static +VDC bias is VERY important to extract power from our rings. Yesterday evening I did some easy tests on my ECD using, for the moment +12V bias on an additional ECD winding...leaving one coil end free....well there certainly is an output power increase! [snip]
Roberto
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: ronotte on July 17, 2007, 12:11:57 PM
@Earl,

to ground as in that case  I was using the same PS.

I may give you a sketch if any doubt on configuration.

Regards

Roberto
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: otto on July 17, 2007, 12:16:46 PM
Hello all,

maybe you dont know or know this already:

I saw a lot of times that a coil can be pulsed and used with both ends connected or just connect 1 end of a coil. This I saw with control coils and with collectors. Of course, the current from the power supply consumed for powering this coils is decreased but the effects are almost the same.

Otto
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 17, 2007, 03:33:39 PM
In response to questions on where to apply DC bias and drive (control) coils.

DC bias will help on the collector coils -- or whatever the active output part of your device is.
When working with high frequencies it's pretty easy to inductively or capacitivly decouple the output coil (collector) from the load. You can then bias up your output (collector) coil to whatever the safe design limits are for your coupling. That will make perfect sense to anyone with practical electrical design experience -- if it doesn?t then learn some more -- sorry to be blunt, but it's not only safety isolation you need to consider but also the power dissipation in the couplers... so if it doesn?t make sense to you play safe and learn some more...

If there is someone listing with a good depth of practical EE experience with stuff like this please step in and make some specific recommendations and point people to learning references. I'd love to cover all of this but my time is limited -- I am sort of on leave this week but my free time is already running out.


As for drive (control) coils -- there are three separate coils. This is not where things combine and you don?t want to bias these up. You don?t want to drive a current through them either! ... you just need the potential wavefront (I think spin-front) down them -- so they can be open ended. The only practical reason for not leaving them open ended is that you want to bring them back down to ground before firing the next voltage spike through them. Ideally you put fast switches (mosfets or valves) on both ends -- you drive from one end with the other closed and then open the other end to bring the potential back down fast. ... but frankly this is probably overkill. It's better to design the drive coils with as little inductance and capacitance as possible and terminate them with the maximum resistance you can to bring the potential back down fast without any current reversal... but I suspect that the optimum pulse widths are going to be so far below what can be easily achieved that there will be a significant "normal" current flow that follows the initial voltage front -- and this would best be dealt with a matched impedance to the drive coil to minimize reflected current.

... sorry if I lost people there. If you did follow you are probably experienced enough to be smiling and thinking to yourself "just suck it and see"... at least it helps to know what to expect even if you have to do as much experimentation as a novice. We are looking for novel effects after all -- so it's new territory for everyone.

... hm, that was a bit tongue in cheek. Seriously though. If you didn't follow all of that then I really recommend that you find a local friend that you can work with. Old ham radio guys with lots of experience with valves and antennas -- or, (not to leave out the serious players ;),  a high power laser or accelerator physicist with lots of experience with fast pulse supplies. I also found that transmission power engineers are full of practical experience. Whoever ? just make sure they have lots of *practical* experience, not just book learning.

Woa! ?  that was and indulgent  long ramble ? too little sleep  and too much caffeine. Got to go attend to that long list of things I should really be doing if I?m not ?working?.

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Super God on July 17, 2007, 03:58:11 PM
Wow this i s really somthing, my coil right now is 3 collectors with three controls each wound 120 degrees or so around the collector itself.  The collector is very thick wire.  A total of 9 controls to pulse, if I can get SOMETHING with one control, I'll just connect them in series to add up the potential and hopefully something good comes out.  This has me VERY optimistic!
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: tao on July 17, 2007, 04:47:50 PM
Mark,

You have probably seen what is below, but..... :)

More and more, we keep seeing, at least I do LOL, devices where you have a complex mix of DC and AC in the SAME conductor, and somehow apparent OU effects appear. There is also a common thread linking in harmonics too.

I know this has been brought up long ago by z_p_e aka Darren on another forum, I just felt it was good to post because it is highly related to the things that Mark has been so eloquently putting forth.


http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/

Here is an excerpt:

"BACKGROUND OF INVENTION:
It is known that coppers' electron mass at rest is M=9.107 x 10? ??.  It has odd electrons and is paramagnetic which exhibits magnetic resonance.  The magnetic flow in copper brushing the atoms causes atomic vibration which, in turn, produces a ringing effect.  When superconductivity is in place, agitation of the atoms is prevented.  This allows voltage to flow freely because there is little or no atomic vibration; thus, reducing resistance.  Magnetic resonance is a phenomena exhibited by the magnetic spin system of certain atoms, whereby the spin system  absorbs energy at a a specific resonant frequency when subjected to an alternating magnetic field.  The key factor is that the resonant frequency aligns or stabilizes the atomic vibration much like superconductivity does allowing the atoms to remain in the same place.  Likewise, harmonic radio frequency produces the same desired effect.

PROBLEM:
The transmission of electricity using a medium at room temperature is hampered by thermal resistance caused by the mediums atoms oscillating at an unstable rate.

SOLUTION:
By arranging the atoms in synchronous alignment, the transmission of electricity can be accomplished at room temperature without thermal resistance.  Radio frequency oscillation aligns the atoms by using an external jacket that surrounds the medium which, in turn, magnetically aligns the atoms allowing the free transmission of electrons.  Theoretically, another way to align the atoms in a 60 Hertz signal is to ride the sine wave similar to the way noise travels.  The high-frequency signal piggybacks the sine wave and aligns the atomic structure by magnetic waves.

DEVICE:
This $350 working DC prototype utilizes high frequency, high voltage in a manner that feeds back on itself.  That is to say, this device uses small amounts of voltage to produce large amounts of energy.  The unit works off of 24 VDC that feeds an oscillator producing 2 kV.  This feeds across the capacitor and the neon gas bulb.  In tests using a 24 VDC battery to feed the oscillator, on one side of the capacitor (-500 VDC) was produced, and on the the other side (-430 VAC).

An oscilloscope showed 1.3 volt peak to peak wave feeding the DC side.  This by itself was not enough power to maintain the system for long periods of time.  However,  when the wave fed the positive input back into the device, the energy increased.

High voltage output, either positive or negative, is not normally fed into the positive circuit of a lesser voltage because of thermal degradation due to the resistance.  However, when the RF and the voltage are harmonically aligned there is no creation of heat.  This unique aspect allows the system to feed back on itself.  Tests prove that without the positive feed, the circuit depletes itself within a matter of minutes.  With our design, the same circuit will run for months without draining any noticeable power from the battery.

(Fig. 2)  shows a multi wave oscillation.  The first pulse wave consists of 5 oscillating waves at .5 volt positive to .8 volt negative with a 35 microsecond spread.  The wave length is approximately 1000 meters.  This wave propagates through the batteries allowing less drain from the load.  The second pulse wave duplicates the first. Note: At 500 MV to 800 MV there is not enough energy to produce a change at the moment of use.  However, with no load this would take hours to recharge the batteries.  This substantiates that the device is not recharging itself, but allowing a harmonic stability to provide less resistance from moment to moment.

(Fig. 3)  shows the negative battery wave to be 10 times oscillated signal at .10 volt peak to peak from zero reference at .6 volt positive to .4 volt negative with a 35 microsecond spread.  It is noted however, from Fig.2 to Fig. 3 there is a noticeable .03 volt peak to peak difference.

POTENTIAL:
In the power generation industry, this device should allow a greatly reduced resistance factor in the transmission of electrical energy.  It would substantially reduce the amount of "force" needed to transmit electrical potential from one source to another.  The amount of energy needed to complete a circuit is decreased because of the positive feed.  Other industries interested in this technology would include all manufacturers of electronic devices in telecommunications, computers, consumer products, etc., and of course the military complex!  (Presently, this device has been tested and proven in DC, and is theoretical in AC.)"


Ok, and here is a video of Mr. Walt Myers, a rare one, I spliced it together...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7002680083998323828



I just thought it was all interesting, I thought it was interesting last year, and I think it is more interesting now, considering some of what Mark has been saying. All knowledge is good knowledge right? ;p




Oh, and here is a good post by Dave(ctglabs) from another forum that relates to Myer's/SM's device....
"The more I think about it, the more I like this theory!

First of all, way back when on OU.com we all talked about magnetic induction, a logical first step I guess, until we looked closer when we got the coil configuration and realised that magnet coupling was at a minimum due to the orientation, then we saw some electrostatic coupling, which was another logical step in the absence of magnetics.

As you say, he say "excitation" of the collector. This doesnt have to mean the electrons, but the atoms too. Indeed the coils wound over it are like the coils wound over an iron rod, the best way to get overall coverage of all the atoms. So its in the worst place for induction, but the best place for effecting the "material itself".

Could the weight loss and the interial feeling be due to the diamagnetic effect? Any magnetic field will be repelled by the superconductor and always maintain the same distance as long as the strength of the field doesn't change. As the thing pulses this state on and off, it will want to try and maintain a certain distance from the earths magnetic field each time and will attempt to resist movement in any direction.

Also, if the material can be brought down from resistive to zero resistance, can further excitation bring it even lower, in to a true negative resistance state at which point IT WILL SUCK ENERGY IN FROM OUTSIDE, converging energy rather than scattering it, time reversal in action?!

Regards,
Dave."
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: z_p_e on July 17, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
Mark,

I know this has been brought up long ago, but since I am the one who did so, I will do so again, because it is highly related to the things that Mark has so eloquently putting forth.


http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/

LOL. tao, perhaps tpu fever has affected your memory somewhat. Actually, I was the one that posted this publicly at gn0sis, and in fact I wrote up a rather long and involved theory based on the Myers device....remember?

Quote
Oh, and here is a good post by Dave(ctglabs) from another forum that relates to Myer's/SM's device....
"The more I think about it, the more I like this theory! .....


Regards,
Dave."

This was actually Dave responding to my theory in my thread.

No offense intended, but duely afford some credit where credit is due my friend :) I have done so for you on more than one occassion.

Cheers,
Darren
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Bob Boyce on July 17, 2007, 10:41:19 PM
@Mark

It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. I have been trying to convey exactly this concept to one of the replicators that had it in his head that more primary current was the answer. When I told him that the primaries (control coils) could even be fed open-ended with potential, he seemed to think I was nuts! I had to explain to him that in order to do this, the power FET driving the open ended coils would have to be loaded in order to be able to dissipate the pulse potential as quickly as possible. This is the reason I just complete the DC path through the primaries, as it can be so much easier to do, as long as the drive pulses can be kept short enough to switch off before much primary current can begin to flow.

You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible. The only reason I limit to the 160 VDC region in that common unit is because it is the voltage requirement of the load that unit was designed to power. By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Have you tried spinor resonance modelling with the use of x, 2x, 4x phase controlled drive frequencies. I am curious about what it would predict?

Bob Boyce
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: tao on July 17, 2007, 10:59:47 PM
LOL. tao, perhaps tpu fever has affected your memory somewhat. Actually, I was the one that posted this publicly at gn0sis, and in fact I wrote up a rather long and involved theory based on the Myers device....remember?

This was actually Dave responding to my theory in my thread.
No offense intended, but duely afford some credit where credit is due my friend :) I have done so for you on more than one occassion.

Cheers,
Darren


HAHAHA, maybe it was you. Ok, it was Darren! But, still, it's viable, so I will just edit my post.

But, since your posts are GONE, HAHAH, it was hard to verify ;)... No hard feelings or offense, of course...

I did find the video and splice it up though, on gn0sis ;p
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: tao on July 17, 2007, 11:09:50 PM
@Mark

It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. I have been trying to convey exactly this concept to one of the replicators that had it in his head that more primary current was the answer. When I told him that the primaries (control coils) could even be fed open-ended with potential, he seemed to think I was nuts! I had to explain to him that in order to do this, the power FET driving the open ended coils would have to be loaded in order to be able to dissipate the pulse potential as quickly as possible. This is the reason I just complete the DC path through the primaries, as it can be so much easier to do, as long as the drive pulses can be kept short enough to switch off before much primary current can begin to flow.

You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible. The only reason I limit to the 160 VDC region in that common unit is because it is the voltage requirement of the load that unit was designed to power. By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Have you tried spinor resonance modelling with the use of x, 2x, 4x phase controlled drive frequencies. I am curious about what it would predict?

Bob Boyce


Hi Bob, Mark,

Got a question for you gentlemen...

Based on your theories/ideas/devices and your talk of having a DC bias so as to encourage the energy gain, what do you make of the statements below given by Steven Mark? Do you think Steven's use of the word 'circuit potential' is akin to your 'DC bias potential' ?


Here are some quotes from Steven Mark:

"However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow."

"If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space."


I might add, and of course you surely already know, in the open TPU we can clearly see open ends on the red windings...
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Super God on July 17, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
Wow, I'm so ready to build something, argh, no switching device yet, I'm still thinking of that.  But Mr.Mag GENEROUSLY let me have his oscilloscope for shipping charges, no a bad deal at all.  So once that arrives I'll start my experiementing.  My coils are all wound and ready to generate some power!  Heh.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 18, 2007, 12:37:48 AM
@ Dr Snoswell:  I know this is a little off subject: I'm in need of some CAD help and seams that you are good at this. I have designed an engine that runs on hydroxy as what Bob boyce is working on his hydrogen unit. I have built a model and have the specs. on the part. I would like to publish the engine on here and give it to anyone that wants to build it and sell it as they see fit. It is rather simple and works well. I'll list all parts and where to get them so as there will be no hidden things to guess at -and improvements are appriciated. I feel this  and some assembleis are patenable but I'm not going through that again. If you could supply a Cad file that could be sent to a machine shop to make the part,  that would be great or if anyone else could help that would be appriciated too.  I'm sure after I post the assemblies and parts list there will be a lot of folks that will really like it and make a little profit for themselfs in the process. Thank you mike  ,,,  It is a one stroke engine more later -----:)
Title: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Earl on July 18, 2007, 12:58:01 AM
Hi All,

I would like to have a generic model for a TPU, so I drew up an image with 4 excitation coils.  Since the first Ford horseless carriage was the model T, this is what I call it.  The current in the collector coil is I.

I observe the following points:

a) talking about A sine wt or -A sin wt or cos 2wt, e.g. mixing frequencies and harmonics only makes sense when talking about analog excitation.

b) when using pulses, preferentially say between 1 ps to 500 ns, we can only talk about pulse width and repetition rate.  We can not talk about frequency, nor harmonics.

c) when talking about two pulse sequences, we can only talk about time offset, unless n coils fire immediately one after the next - then we could talk about phase.

d) the [copper] collector coil of m turns, here shown m=1, has a pulsating DC current.  The collector current pulsates less as the number of coils n tends towards infinity.  Most likely the high-voltage spikes will be caused by removal of voltage across a coil.  The removal causes a polarity reversal across the coil.  The short, low voltage electrostatic charge across the coil causes a reverse current flow in the collector coil.  This is the reason for the little spikes in the collector current.

As the number of excitation coils, n, approaches infinity the current becomes more uniform and flat.

e) the collector coil is shown short-circuited between A and B.  A magnetically-coupled coil in the same plane as the collector would only be able to extract the ripple and therefore most likely NOT an interesting way to tap output power.  Likewise with capacitive output coupling.

f) If the collector current sees a resistive load between A and B, a DC voltage I*R will be produced. This voltage will also have the above-mentioned hash superimposed upon it.

ms > When working with high frequencies it's pretty easy to inductively or capacitivly decouple the output coil (collector) from the load.

In the generic case, the collector mostly has DC current flowing in it and therefore inductive or capacitive ouput coupling is either not feasible or too inefficient.

The most efficient way appears to me to low-pass filter the collector output, then use a DC/DC or DC/AC convertor of conventional design.

g) Notice that all n coils, in this case n=4, all driven from floating, independent batteries.  No circuitry nor batteries are grounded, whatever ground means.  Ground, in any case, only exists for DC.  In AC circuits, ground becomes more and more undefined as frequency increases or pulse width decreases.

h) I would like the group to get away from sloppy use of words and terms, e.g. DC bias, which means nothing.  This is no different from amateur radio operators who lazily say "I am going to turn on my linear".  What they mean to say is linear amplifier.  DC bias can be voltage with no current, it can be voltage with current, it can be current.

May I suggest the following:

DC ELECTROSTATIC BIAS means
voltage biased with no current drawn

DC BIAS means the voltage across the windings's resistance causes a current to flow.

DC CURRENT BIAS means we are not concerned about the winding voltage, but mostly by the current, for example in a YIG-oscillator coil.

Let's define a standard terminology and rigorously stick to it.

i) I have shown coil terminals C and D.  Connecting a voltage between them will cause a current to flow depending upon the coil's resistance.

If using only one coil lead and letting the other hang in the air, one needs a second reference point for the power supply.  The generic TPU model T is perfectly balanced and symmetrical and has no ground anywhere.

Therefore a DC electrostatic bias is not possible.

j)  The TPU will only deliver excess power output if there is UPA (unknown power amplification).
This UPA is still elusive and its existance is in doubt.  The scientific method says a device does not exist unless it can be replicated by peers.  After the student jokes of Brnbrade and EMdevices, we must insist on rigorously holding to the scientific method.  Until there are one or more valid replications, the TPU remains a rumor, a fraud, a dream, a deception, you pick your term.
Our knowledge should now be at a point, where careful, non-sloppy building could produce the desired successful replication.

I am now at the point where I think coil winding is not good enough.  The coils must be precision "hand-crafted" for each turn, just like a Swiss watch maker.  Perfectly uniform, each an identical twin of the others.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 18, 2007, 02:13:47 AM
@Earl

Do you see a way to use a static bias from permanent magnets? Perhaps it would be called magnetostatic?
Since magnetic fields are a big player here could it be used to 'bias' the magnetic field and create an effect similar to what many think is needed?
Title: Is this all a fake and a waste of time? -- a common question.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 18, 2007, 03:39:55 AM
This is in response to a PM which reflects the feeling of a lot of people ? Is this all a fake and a waste of time?


Is there something really out there to be discovered ? yes. No question. We really don?t know everything yet!


A side note before I continue  --------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this area is full of people who desperately want to believe. Most of the time they are honest but delude themselves into believing far more than they should. A few become dishonest ? and they get noticed the most.

Unbounded optimism and belief are fine ? in fact they are great motivators!  However, in equal measure, they require honesty and respect, for others and yourself. You must be aware not to create unreasonably false hopes. Regrettably the whole history of ?Free energy? is littered with people who allowed their desires and passion to delude themselves and then others into false belief. Most of the time this leads to disappointment and a feeling of betrayal as time goes on and magical results do not happen. For some the temptation is too great and they slip into knowingly deceiving themselves and others into something that is not true. They then get cast in the same light as the rare con artist that deliberately preys on others.

Don?t think scientists are beyond this behavior ? even in peer reviewed journals overzealous enthusiasm leads to distortion, and sometimes outright fraud. A case in point is the charge of an electron. This was first determined in the famous Robert Millikan and Harvey Fletcher's oil-drop experiment in 1909. The exact electron charge has been refined ever since then with better and better experiments. If you plotted the published results you would expect to see a random distribution of figures that get closer to the true value with time? you don?t. What you see is the published values start with Millikan and Fletchers published figure and gradually get closer to the true value. What was happening was that scientists rejected values too far away from previously published results and biased their own data ? a very unscientific, by very human thing to do.
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It is my opinion that the evidence for various new energy technologies is overwhelming. If you are in doubt just take some time to read the technical papers on Randal Mills Blacklight Power www.blachlightpower.com Many of Randal?s papers are published in peer review journals. Although his theories may be hotly debated I believe his core finding is well proven -- that you can drop the electron in a hydrogen atom to below the previously accepted ?zero? level. Dropping the electron to this new ?below zero? level releases lots of energy ? orders of magnitude more than chemical reactions by orders of magnitude lower than atomic fusion. This result alone ads credibility (but doesn?t make them all true) to all of the water based energy technologies.

Things I have seen that add credibility to TPU class of device?

I visited a group in Mexico last year. They have some very advanced technology which is a result of over 20 years research and a lot of funding  ? I saw demonstrations that were very impressive. They have got to the stage of miniaturizing their devices such that 400w power can be delivered from a 3mm cube device ? small enough to mount in a 8 pin dip package.  I can?t tell you if it was real or fake as I didn?t get the opportunity to test it myself. It appears to have all of the characteristics, artifacts, failure modes and inspirations as SM TPU. They are not the same but they appear to share many common characteristics.

Marcus Hollingshead appeared to have something also ? I also noticed a lot of consistency in everything Marcus reported.

And then there is all of the hydrogen work ? Stanley Meyers and Bob Boyce are amongst prominent ones here. Again I am impressed by not just their reported results but by lots of little things that suggest they have the right ingredients for novel effects to exhibit themselves.

I chose to mention the above devices because I think they all have a common mechanism at work. Put it all together and there is something worth investigating? and I think I have a conceptual framework that shows simply why all of the technologies may work. However a conceptual framework is a long way from engineering   -- eg. E=mc^2 is a brilliant concept but doesn?t tell you how to engineer atomic energy devices!

Initially I dismissed SM TPU as a fake or at least a distortion of fact. However the hints from various people make me think there is something real here ? pulse signals at three different periods, 3 drive coils, DC bias, the 1x and 2x components (plus others)? all of these things make sense. I think I know why they would be *required* in a device that taps spin energy of electrons. What I don?t know is how much truth or fabrication there is to any of the reports of success from anyone at present?. With all due respect there isn?t any really rigorously credible evidence from anyone.

As I said previously ? I was also seduced several times into attempts to copy reported devices ? and failed. I am not interested in this. The way forward is to come up with reasonable theories that are testable and could explain the devices? and then to methodically explore them. At the very least this will result in new understanding and discoveries ? the hope is that it will lead also to breakthrough new technologies.

Cheers

Mark Snoswell.
Title: bunch of responses
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 18, 2007, 04:20:40 AM
@tao and @z_p_e
I agree with the sentiment and direction of this stuff but not the explanation. As stated it conflicts, or at least overlooks, a number of well established principals. I believe I have a better explanation which is what I will be covering in my next "lecutre" on collective electrodynamics.

@tao
SM "circuit potential" -- yeas, DC bias I think.

@motorcoach1
I cant help with requests like this -- no time. Please go to my web site www.cgsociety.com -- thats where all the worlds aspiring and professional 3D artstis hang out. It's free to join and you can look for people to help you there.

@earl
You read my mind and saved me a post with the most of that :)
I agree with everything with one exception -- I think the output power will apear in the AC component predominantly -- there may be a DC drift, and I would love to find that it's possible to drive significant power as DC current, but I expect that the power will be in the AC component in most designs.
Oh -- and I believe the static CD Bias will only have an effect on the collector. It is not applied to the drive (control) coils.

@BEP
Good to see you here -- did you see the latest PM from me?
Yes -- you are right electrostatic and megnetostatic potentials are the correct terms -- and theoretically both can be equally effective. It's just a matter of which one is practical to apply in a particular device. my upconmming 'lecture' on collective electrodynamics will hilight that both are effective.

@Bob Boyce
You get your own whole reply as soon as I have written it up :)
PS -- did you get the PM I sent you?
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Super God on July 18, 2007, 04:36:50 AM
How would you apply a DC bias to JUST the collector?  Isn't it wound around the entire toroid?  I think I'm misunderstanding something...
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 18, 2007, 05:14:33 AM
@Motorcoach1

Email what you have with as much detail as possible including what kind of fab is required. I'll make it up in Acad so a shop can make use of it with CNC or whatever.
Hand sketches, notes, dimensions - whatever.

PM me if you don't see my email.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 18, 2007, 07:29:40 AM
It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. ...
You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible.

Have you tried spinor resonance modeling with the use of x, 2x, 4x phase controlled drive frequencies. I am curious about what it would predict?

It's excellent to see theory and experiment agree :) Have you plotted energy efficiency vs DC bias?

On the 1x, 2x 4x components in spinors. This is not easy -- i just spent a fruitless hour looking for an easy solution to animate -- I failed. The formulation for the basic dual spinor (dual meaning in and out wave) is rich in second and fourth order harmonics but it's construction is as a spherical quaternion rotation... while I can marvel at the similarities and render the pure spinor the exact connection of math?s to engineering is not clear to me. It's one of those cases where experimentation is going to lead theory for now. At best I could do some analysis and suggest ratios of amplitudes for the harmonics which might increace efficency -- but when your hitting everything with big sharp pulses fine tuning of relative drive amplitudes may be too sublte to measure an effect from. However it is worth noting that I think that there is merit in testing different amplitudes for the different harmonic components.

Another huge complication is that charge is a spinor it's self -- so to really understand things we need to ask what does a coherent spinor wave front (voltage pulse wave front) look like? ... and what will happen if we superimpose several of these with different periods? ...

However (if that's not difficult enough) that?s still not the *real* question. If you think about just the superposition of wave fronts you are missing the point -- the wave fronts could have come from any period pulse train, but we know that interesting things only happen when the pulse trains are in a particular harmonic ratio. This fact alone tells us that we need to look at the collective behavior over a full wavelength ? which leads us to the realization that we are not going to see anything interesting at all unless the electrons (or at least a good percentage of them) over a full wavelength act collectively? which leads directly into what I wanted to say about collective electrodynamics ? next post.

Cheers

Mark.
Title: Spinor resonance_further generic TPUs
Post by: Earl on July 18, 2007, 03:36:43 PM
Hi All,

here are some more generic TPUs, including new thoughts on electrostatic bias and mangetostatic bias.

I believe we now understand the pieces of the puzzle and the next thing to do is for each to put the pieces together according to their own intuition.  My soldering iron and SMD iron arrived today so slowly I am entering build mode.

@All
the race is now on to be the first.  Go for it.

@BEP, thanks for being so observant.  Magnetostatic Bias has now been added.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: EMdevices on July 18, 2007, 04:57:02 PM
Mark,

this fits in with your thread here.

Take a look at this webpage put out by NIST.gov

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2006_0831.htm


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Researchers have figured out how nanoscale microwave transmitters gain greater signal power than the sum of their parts...

EM
Title: Collective Electrodynamics
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 18, 2007, 05:00:24 PM
Collective Electrodynamics. What is it and why is it important?

Compared to an individual electron we live on a big scale. Electrical devices that make useful amounts of power or do useful work on our scale are big. This really doesn?t matter if we are pushing bulk electric currents around ? that?s akin to pumping oil through hydraulic pipes. It?s a bulk thermodynamic process; it?s simple; it?s brutish; it?s reliable and serves us well? but we want to work smarter now. We want to design fancy things like room temperature superconductors and devices that tap electron spin energy. These are not bulk thermodynamic process ? these are things that require precise control of the behavior of electrons.  The problem is how to make all the free electrons in a big device behave as one controllable collective.  The answer is to apply a large EM bias ? the bigger the better . Large electrostatic and/or magnetostatic potentials. To put it another way: working near equilibrium if for dumb thermodynamic processes, to work smarter you need to get away from equilibrium ? the further the better.

And now to explain what that means?
Collective Electrodynamics is a phrase made famous by one of the world?s foremost physicists, Carver Mead. In his book Collective Electrodynamics Mead elegantly describes how electrons behave collectively as one to give rise to some of the most startling devices such as superconductors. Mead then goes on to explain that given devices such as superconductors and lasers we would have formulated the science of electromagnetism in a far simpler and more elegant manner that the current mess we have inherited.
I am not going to regurgitate the truly excellent work Carver Mead documents in his book ? you should all read the first chapter at least ? it?s freely available on line here http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/94/12/6013.pdf and you should really buy his book and study it. It is a true inspiration and a revelation.

What I am going to add that is new is the idea that electrons can be made to progressively behave more collectively by application of electromagnetic bias ? that is by raising the absolute electrostatic and magnetostatic potential of a system you raise its collective behavior.
This is a new concept that I want to establish before we collectively (pun intended) fall into a narrow intuition from just one example ? superconductors. Most people have heard of superconductors ? most people also know that the onset of super conduction happens over a fairly narrow (low) temperature range for any given superconductor material. This has already led to the intuition that the collective behavior of electrons is an all or nothing thing ? you either have superconduction or you don?t. There is also an intuition that these sorts of macroscopic quantum effects don?t happen on a big scale at room temperature ? wrong!... every one reading this now is sitting with arms reach of a pretty large quantum device ? the Giant Magneto Resistance head in your hard disk drive. This is something that relies on the quantum interaction of electron spin and magnetism on a giant scale ? thus the name GMR ? Giant Magneto Resistance.

Now ? I propose that here is a lot of energy we can get from the spin of fermions ? electrons in particular. The practical question is how do we control and tap the spin of an electron? (1) Without being specific, or even having to know exactly how we can deduce how many independent degrees of freedom this would require ? 3. So if this is right we just need to control say the charge gradient, the magnetic gradient and acceleration of an electron ? three things. Right? but even if I am right we aren?t going to do much useful work with the energy from the spin of one electron ? even from a device that could process lots of electrons really fast. Ideally we want a technology that could control and tap spin energy from all the free electrons in a conductor ? where the direct result would be electric current to drive all of our familiar machines.
(1) Randal Mills Blacklight power process has already demonstrated that we can tap electron spin energy by dropping the electron in a hydrogen atom below its ?ground? state. The problem is that the Blacklight process takes place in a hot plasma where energy extraction is difficult.
OK ? now our problem is that we have to control three independent parameters and have untold billions (many more than that actually) of electrons all doing the same thing at the same time. The problem is that they wont ? electrons (spherical spinor waves) are slippery little things. Their spin is in all three dimentions at the same time and unless you bring al three degrees of independent control to bear on one electron at one time then it will just move energy from one axis to another ? inducing a neighboring spinor (electron or proton) to shift it?s spin energies to the other axis so that everything averages out.
It?s just like a ferromagnetic material with no net magnetic field externally ? internally it has just as many magnetic domains (I am speaking generally here) as in it?s fully magnetized state but half of them are opposing the other half and we don?t detect any net external magnetic field.
We need a way to input three (or however many) independent controls into a common region (wire) and have all of the free electrons behave as one collective whole. A way to do this is to raise the electromagnetic potential ? get it as far away from equilibrium as possible. You do this with static electric or magnetic potential.

Let me pause here and give a simple analogy that may help visualize what I mean. Imagine a 6 foot beach ball. Someone has told you (correctly) that if three of you stand 120 degrees apart around it and you punch it in sequence than it will orbit in a circle ? a perfect analogy for 3 phase EM devices. Lets imaging that the air pressure is like voltage.
What happens when you try punching the ball in sequence if the ball is at equilibrium with the surrounding air pressure ? nothing probably. Without any pressure the ball is flabby ? you can punch it all you like, as fast as you like for as long as you like and nothing much will happen. You can put a lot of energy into your punches but the problem is that the ball is too floppy and the air inside just moves around without any effect.
Now you put a little pressure into the ball ? it starts to respond to your punches. It wobbles and you find that if you time the punches just right that all three of you may be able to get it orbiting. This is better but not perfect yet.
So now you pump the pressure up a lot ? to almost bursting point. The ball is so stiff now that it behaves as one solid ball? the air inside is now behaving as one collective thing.

The same thing happens with electrons. You can progressively push a system into collective behavior by increasing the pressure ? by moving it away from equilibrium. This allows you to then apply different controls (inputs) to different points and have the effects combine within the collective whole. Now you can finally try to rotate the collective set of electrons in three directions at once ? which will increase or decrease the overall spin. Without the static bias all that will happen is that electrons in different parts of the device will move in different ways ? you may get some interesting effects as the intervening electrons blend the different inputs but you won?t get the effects combining in any one electron.

In case any of you are skeptical that electrons can be made to behave collectively under normal potential or magnetic fields just stop and consider an inductor. The inductance of a coil is proportional to the square of the number of turns. If two turns gives 1x units of inductance then doubling the turns will give rise to 4x units of inductance. This is due to the collective behavior of electrons in the inductor. But, I hear the engineers scream, the nonlinear inductance to turns ratio is due to the electrons being all affected by the magnetic field they are creating ? not collective behavior. That explanation is just hiding real understanding ? a field is not anything real it?s just a mathematical construct. We want to look deeper into the actual mechanism of the electrons in the inductor interacting with one another. OK the engineers say ? if you want to be that basic then electrons interact one-one via exchange of photons. AH ? and there in lies the problem. If the only sort of interaction that was possible was a one-one exchange of photons then a nonlinear relationship of turns to inductance could never arise. The fact is that electrons in an inductor are acting ever more collectively as you increase the turns and the shared magnetic field generated when current is applied.

So ? does that mean that we could potentially make a room temperature superconductor by raising the static potential high enough ? in principal yes. It also implies that we could raise the Tc of superconductors by operating them at high static potential.

So what does this mean for TPU style devices ? in these you have three inputs at a fundamental and two higher harmonics (or some arbitrary higher frequencies). If there is any chance of these three inputs combining to activate one effect then the electrons with a full fundamental wavelength must be made to behave collectively. Rather than relying on the signals themselves to raise the voltage in just the right way, time and places it?s far more reliable to just raise the static potential of the part of the device where the waves are combining ? this may be the collector and /or the whole arrangement of drive and collector coils. A combination of electrostatic and magnetostatic biases may work best ? or a high gradient of one or both. The exact, best and safest conditions need to be determined experimentally. The only certain thing is that to reliably see interesting effects you should have as large a static bias potentials, and as many as you can apply.

Sigh ? late again and too much caffeine to keep going. I?ll have to get back to ?work? for a rest ;)

There are more supportive arguments progressively increasing collective behavior of electrons as static bias is increased but I hope the preceding explanation is sufficient for readers to grasp the principal. I actually realized the principal in practice as I was adding magnetic rollers to a device I made ? which I should video one day as it is an excellent example of the conservation of momentum in an orbital system ? something I have never seen before. Anyway ? the point is that the transition to collective behavior in normal electromagnetic systems we deal with is very real ? it?s not just theory.

Sorry for the absence of pretty pictures and animations ? they take a long time to prepare and I didn?t have any on hand for this topic.

Cheers

Mark Snoswell.

Oh ? in case any of you really get this and are now wondering if that by controlling the spin of electrons we could control their mass the answer is yes ? and much more. This is the gateway to coupling of EM and gravity ? or in more rigorous terms coupling the two fundamental classes of space-time distortion: torsion and curvature. It?s all about control ? not brute energy.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 18, 2007, 05:16:59 PM
Take a look at this webpage put out by NIST.gov
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2006_0831.htm
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Researchers have figured out how nanoscale microwave transmitters gain greater signal power than the sum of their parts...

Bloody briliant! ... LOL -- that is so timeley given the post I just made. Wow -- thanks for that, I hadn't seen that one before.

I could be wrong -- but it really feels like a lot of things are coming together just now.

cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Super God on July 18, 2007, 06:56:35 PM
Excellent lecture, Mr. Snoswell!  I think I'm beginning to grasp this whole concept.  I'm thinking of winding one super long coil around the entire length of the toroid, and combining magnets in some way.  This is brilliant!  Thank you so much for explaining this to us!  I guess I should head down to the basement and start workin' eh?  The oscilloscope that Mr. Mag gave me should be here sometime this week or next week, then I can really start testing once I get the square wave generators ready.  Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 18, 2007, 06:59:12 PM
 If i'm reading right there is a greater acoustic coupling if the electrons are spun into the mag feild rather than forced harmonicly , even though you need the harmonics to gather the crop sorta say then aling them in the spin ,through the spin. would that elongate the feild and travel of the photon ? if it does then all in  the electron feild would try to be grabbing each others nutron causeing chaos. mmmmm   maybe thats whats needed (stripping effect)
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: joe dirt on July 18, 2007, 10:28:36 PM
Hello Mark

Thanks for starting this topic (and this theory)  this is top notch,  The theory
 plus an excellent visual reference makes this thread a most fascinating read.
 looking forward to working with this material.

@M.C. do you see any similarity between Marks work and Esa Manu? 

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2169.0.html

Concerning the motor design you mention, I could make a 3d model of it for
  you as a visual reference but no cad mods for cnc though  :'(

Much appreciated
Dirt
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 18, 2007, 11:35:08 PM
Mark,

this fits in with your thread here.

Take a look at this webpage put out by NIST.gov

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/techbeat/tb2006_0831.htm


Quote
Researchers have figured out how nanoscale microwave transmitters gain greater signal power than the sum of their parts...

EM

Good one!

Before fancy electronics multi-generator standby systems would be synchronized and paralleled by using a process called ?Dead Field Paralleling?. They would start both engines with the voltage regulators turned off, close one to the bus and then the other.
When the engine RPMs locked in together and ground current subsided they were equalized and locked. With the regulators off the generators only had residual magnetic strength in their rotors.

At that point both regulators were turned on at the same time and the engines would alternately surge a bit until voltage was stabilized. They then ran as one.

Energies always attempt to equalize. Whether it is water in a puddle or micro-thingamabobs. This idea isn?t new to me BUT the total output when combined IS.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 18, 2007, 11:51:40 PM
@ Joe Dirt : It's funny you mention that , Yes Eas is studing the Photon effects and Blue cell cavities useing small Sq aluminum parts. I my self looking at the Quarts with vapoized aluminum , In the cavaty that quarts should aling and stablize. the Square alinimum cubes i feel is to critical and hard to stablize. as the spin efct starts to take place the qurats crysitiles will have time to form there natural direction so the accoustics values say in step with the harmonics. other wise there are miniture lighting bolts going on inside the cavity and that starts another reaction that has to be delt with.      As for my motor I will start a thred soon and all people  will be welcome. this will be a team effort , this is my sole design and people that that flame any one will be gone.                       @ Mark , thank you for the thred . There was a new paper published last month from the university of mexico on the cube you mentioned but the great thing I read was the feed back circut had been reconed with , I do not have access the the schools arcive wich is close to outsiders but it would be  an interesting read.  by the way Esa manu has made spreat sheets on this look in his forun thread and you can down load the Exls spreat sheets . It's a very indepth study. you may find this very interesting.   
Title: Longitudinal Wave Accellerator idea.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 09:33:12 AM
LOL ? if we take the concept of circular static pulse fronts traveling around concentric circular paths and driving current in a central secondary to its logical conclusion we might conceive of something like this?


See the attached render for reference


A Longitudinal Wave Accelerator (LWA)
Mark Snoswell, July 2007.

As shown this consists of two circular sets of capacitor plates: a top set and a bottom set. There are vertical inductors (straight wires) connecting pairs consisting of an upper and lower capacitor plate.

The entire arrangement creates a circular transmission line for longitudinal waves.
A novel feature is a central secondary line that is placed within the transmission line in a manner that electrons will be driven in a longitudinal wave manner down the wire. Thus we may engineer a device to deliver longitudinal waves, rather than transverse waves down a conductive wire.


NOTES:

The transmission line can be excited from any point, or multiplicity of points by either voltage pulses delivered to the capacitor plates or current pulses delivered along vertical (inductive) connects.

By careful timing of pulse input points, repetition rates and offset timing we can build up any multiple of resonant waves within the circular transmission line. It should be noted that the upper half (ring) of the transmission line will carry signals 180 deg out of phase with the lower transmission line.

As depicted the resonant waves circulating in the transmission line are symmetrical from their injection point. Some sort of directional bias would be required to trigger rotational acceleration of the signals in opposite directions == thus creating a vorex of electrical and magnetic fields around the central axis. Capacitive, magnetic, and mechanical directional bias controls are all possible, although it is anticipated that the vortexing action may be self starting (albeit slowly) in the presence of the Earth?s magnetic field alone. This would lead to opposite action in southern and northern hemispheres and to orientation (horizontal and vertical) sensitivity of operation.
Of interest is the performance when driven by sets of 3 different  duration pulse trains in the harmonic ratio?s of 1:2:4, 1:2:3, 1:2:5, 1:2:7, 1:3:7 etc. Pulse timing can also be adjusted to establish 3 phase rotation of the fundamental frequency around the transmission line.
 
As the device works in a longitudinal wave mode it is expected that the Q for resonance will be greatly (10-100x more) then with conventional transverse EM resonators. This will entail extremely fine tuning for efficient operation and may make it difficult to find and stably hold resonance.
 
At resonance the device is also expected to generate extremely high potentials between capacitive elements in the transmission line. Care will need to be taken to avoid destructive breakdown between the plates and the plates and the secondary.

Protective measures could include:

Encapsulating everything an a dielectric ? this will also increase the capacitance of the transmission line and could assist in tuning and increasing power densities;

Operating in a vacuum;

Tuning slightly off resonance;

Introducing resistance into the transmission line ? this should either be linear resistance or non linear resistance to clip peak power levels.


OUTPUT:

The output would be sinusoidal AC on top of a DC bias ? the voltage would swing from ground up to a maximum. The AC component will be very high frequency and could be easily filtered out. For ease of matching to conventional electrical devices the device can be modulated with toroidal (or axial) magnetic field at the line frequency (50 or 60 Hz). As this is a magnetostaic (not inductive) modulation signal it can be efficiently delivered by a resonant circuit.

DC biasing of the secondary coil is also desirable to enhance the effects. This is easily achieved by taking the output through an isolation transformer and floating the LWA secondary to a high absolute voltage. Aa isolation transformer is highly recommended as it will (with proper design) filter out the HF AC component and also convert the longitudinal EM wave into normal transverse current that current electrical appliances are designed to work with.



Enough fun? I think you should get the idea by now and see just how this might work. I wonder if it really is all that simple? ? Damn, something else I have to add to my ever growing list of things to test ;)


BEP ? what do you recon ? worthy idea? ? worth someone testing?

Cheers

Mark.



Title: HWA -- Helical Wave Accelerator
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 19, 2007, 02:35:30 PM
:) ... OK , I cant take all the credit for this one as it's exactly what SM described in one of his texts... but I am going to claim the title of Helical Wave Accelerator because of the way it works...

The last post depicted a pure LWA -- Longitudinal Wave Accelerator. It's easier to make a HWA -- Helical Wave Accelerator....

In the HWA the transmission line spirals -- it's quite peculiar actually as the capacitive elements are from the interwinding capacitance and the inductive elements from the same wire -- so both magnetic and electrostatic waves are intertwined in a helical manner with two modes of resonance with either component dominating toroidally or poloidally.

I have rendered it with open windings for clarity -- in practice it should be wound more tightly to increase the intertwind capacitance... however breakdown voltage has to be considered.

Everything I said for the LWA in the last post applies to the HWA.

Except... when tuning the HWA primaries there will (should) be two fundamental frequencies (determined by the toroidal & poloidal diameters and inter winding capacitance). The lower resonance will have a lower Q and will be the traditional LC self resonance with the magnetic field dominating toroidally and the electric field dominating poloidally. We don?t want to tune to this mode... there will be a higher frequency mode with a higher Q that corresponds to predominantly longitudinal wave transmission -- with the electric field dominating toroidally and the magnetic field dominating to poloidally.

Oh - and the 3 phase works really well here. The Q's for both transverse and longitudinal dominant modes will be 10-100x or more than you would get for single phase systems -- at least that?s based on my experience with single vs. 3 phase resonance modes in the same systems... this means that finding the right frequency will be very exacting and the intertwining voltage could be extremely high at resonance -- especially if feedback is applied. Oh -- and even winding will be essential to maintain a constant wave velocity around the ring and between the phases.

OH -- and the primaries can be closed loops driven single ended. It's even closer to the LWA then.


Ha -- howz that :) ... on a roll here.  oops -- better attach the render.

cheers

mark s.
Title: Re: Longitudinal Wave Accellerator idea.
Post by: dutchy1966 on July 19, 2007, 09:02:11 PM

As depicted the resonant waves circulating in the transmission line are symmetrical from their injection point. Some sort of directional bias would be required to trigger rotational acceleration of the signals in opposite directions == thus creating a vorex of electrical and magnetic fields around the central axis. Capacitive, magnetic, and mechanical directional bias controls are all possible, although it is anticipated that the vortexing action may be self starting (albeit slowly) in the presence of the Earth?s magnetic field alone. This would lead to opposite action in southern and northern hemispheres and to orientation (horizontal and vertical) sensitivity of operation.
Of interest is the performance when driven by sets of 3 different  duration pulse trains in the harmonic ratio?s of 1:2:4, 1:2:3, 1:2:5, 1:2:7, 1:3:7 etc. Pulse timing can also be adjusted to establish 3 phase rotation of the fundamental frequency around the transmission line.
Cheers

Mark.

Hi Mark,

I've been following your posts in the background and must say you come up with some good theories. (well explained and therefore very easy to follow!).
When reading one of your latest postst (as quoted) I was surprised to see some things that match so well with what SM said. You speak about the self starting vortex creation, possibly by the earths magnetic field influence. I firmly believe a vortex is involved in the tpu because of all the hints SM has given in that direction. You might want to look up my posts in the thread [the tpu as a magnetic vortex generator].
Also the difference in the northern and southern hemisphere is a major point which no other theorie incorporates. SM calls it "works in reverse" below the equator.
I wonder if your theory also addresses the fact that when turned upside down the tpu stops working. I tend to think that has to do with the rotation direction of the vortex.
Then on the point of the harmonic relationships. I find especially interesting the 1:2:7 relationship you mention. Why?  Well, SM basically given us the base (1st harmonic) and 2nd harmonic relationship. Still we were searching for the third component.
What we do know is that in one of his messages (the one where he is "making a new amplifier (=tpu control electronics)") that he had trouble with a harmonic at 35 khz. It was very strong and he decide to leave it in there. Then he goes on and tells us about his "output transformer (= tpu)" can go up to 245 khz. You probably already see where I'm going...... this is the seventh harmonic of the base 35 khz!!!

I'm not really sure you have read all that info of SM and therefore put it into your theory or that your theorie has just hit on some striking similarities with what SM has said. Anyway I think you last theories must be very close.....

Regards,

Robert

p.s. The H.W.A. is exactly how I picture the tpu from SM's descriptions. As you might know there has been a lot of discussion going on about the exact meaning of the descriptions given by him. The general opinion was (and probably still is) 3 segments (primaries) of 120 degrees.
Title: Re: Longitudinal Wave Accellerator idea.
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 20, 2007, 02:16:40 AM
...
I wonder if your theory also addresses the fact that when turned upside down the tpu stops working.

There is a point where you have to stop theorizing and just experiment. Left to the influence of the earths magnetic field (or even to the rotation of the earth) to start filed rotation you could postulate several mechanisms where it would not work side on or upside down. I have no definate answers -- all I can do is say that behaviour is possible.

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I find especially interesting the 1:2:7 relationship you mention. Why?  Well, SM basically given us the base (1st harmonic) and 2nd harmonic relationship. Still we were searching for the third component.

None of these configurations are what I would design to drive a spinor -- if that is indeed part of the mechanism here. However when exciting a system that is susceptable to resonance with pulses you can get away with almost any configuration... and so all I can do is fall back onto crude observations of some of the harmonic relationships I see in simple sipnors -- there are lots of higher order harmonics and I feel sure that the fermions wont have simple spinor solutions (they will be much more complex). So again, this is an area where experimentation is required. I would try all of the sets of frequencies listed (wont take long) and a few others. There is also some support for using more or less components. However more would be redundant and perhaps not worth while for the small gains in effeciency verses design complications. Less would dramatically increace the precision of timing and design requirments and would dramatically reduce the likeleyhood of getting a working effect in practice.

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I'm not really sure you have read all that info of SM
I have a vast library of material collected over the pst 10 years or so on a wide range of topics. I am not aware of anything I have missed in this area... but as I have said before, there is no rigerous evidence of any overunity device from anyone as yet. SM's information, like so many other sets of data, are questionable at best. This is why I will not atempt any "replications" unless I have determined a resonable theory as to why an effect may work so that I can design devices to test intelegentsy and compare experimental data against predicted behaviour.

Quote
p.s. The H.W.A. is exactly how I picture the tpu from SM's descriptions. As you might know there has been a lot of discussion going on about the exact meaning of the descriptions given by him. The general opinion was (and probably still is) 3 segments (primaries) of 120 degrees.

I agree -- this matches one of SM descriptions exactly... but more than that it has the benifits I mention of having the capacitive coupling etween the 3 phase windings. For wave propagation this is a crucial factor and makes it an entierly different design from one with 3 non-overlapping primary segments. Forget how it may work for a moment --from an energy density viewpoint three seperate primaries that do not overlap radiate much of their field energy into the surounding space -- particularly the interior. With the three fully overlapping windings the energy is largely constrained to the toroidal volume. This is what you want if it is where you are trying tio initiate an energy cascade.

cheers

mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on July 20, 2007, 02:53:37 AM
OK, I went ahead and tried a simple test (the one that was suggested near the beginning of this thread).

I know the theories have advanced significantly further now, but I figured I should share my (null) results anyway.

Attached are some pics of the apparatus.  The all-too-familiar Spartan-based programmable pulse generator, and the inner part of an RG8-U coax cable with about 1,800 turns of 30 guage magnet wire wound on top of it.

On the scope, the top trace is the input signal at one end of the winding and the bottom trace is the output at the other end.  Using a light bulb as a load, no voltage or current was developed across the collector.

I'll try building the latest version next (the HWA)...

Eldarion
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 20, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
@Eldarion
Very neat winding.. and thanks for posting results -- all results, negative, positive, failures -- everything, with all details should be collected.

OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.

A practical consideration is the winding of precise coils around narrow formers -- you have done an amazing job. However I really think larger diameters are going to make it much easier to see effects in. I know the larger coax is expensive and harder to get -- and it may not be the best in the long run. Alternatives include:
Copper tubing as collector and winding directly over that.
Copper tubing or large diameter wire inside a flexible insulating tube (make sure the material has a low dielectric loss!  Possibilities are  nylon, teflon and silicon).
multistrand wire should also be tested as a collector.

It may also be desirable to keep the radial capacitance lower than the interwinding capacitance ? this would make coax a bad choice. ? more tests need to be done.

You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.

These basic tests are essential. Far from being boring they will yield a lot of practical experience and understanding that will be essential in construction of more complicated devices. I will be doing these myself as soon as I get time in the workshop.

Cheers
Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 20, 2007, 06:09:10 AM
I haven?t participated much lately as bread-winning is demanding most of my time recently. I continue to test theories, part by part, when possible.

The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

Most will already know the following better than I:

The magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on July 20, 2007, 06:41:26 AM
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

Eldarion
Title: Spinor resonance -- narrow pulses
Post by: Earl on July 20, 2007, 10:44:59 AM
Hi BEP,

The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

It also requires learning Radiant Energy Engineering from the self-taught University.  Radiant Energy Engineering sometimes says things that are in opposition to traditional Energy Engineering.

Most will already know the following better than I:

I will take the liberty to insert some words:

The traditional magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The traditional magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of traditional energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

In Radiant Energy Engineering, we are trying to achieve a pulse width of 1 picosecond.  We are not able to reach this, so we do the best we can.  I believe that 100 nanoseconds is realistic.  Therefore air-cored coils are perfectly OK for RE generation.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

The Italian patent wraps a coil around a magnet or electromagnet, but also says the magnet is not obligatory.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

Italian patent says high-voltage pulses are necessary, and minimum 50V amplitude difference between each pulse.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

I believe RE is a non-linear effect and doesn't matter whether FETs or tubes are used.  The only advantage of a tube is a higher voltage breakdown.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.

Would be interested in knowing more about this.

Regards, Earl


Title: Spinor resonance -- FET driver / Speed is King
Post by: Earl on July 20, 2007, 11:04:22 AM
Hi Eldarion,

A MOSFET has roughly 1000 to 2000 pF input capacity.  You will not get the desired rise
and fall time without being able to source and sink several amperes into the gate.

The FET driver must be soldered directly to the FET itself; use no wires.  You are not
in a beauty contest, you are in a speed contest.

The amperes of gate drive comes only from the multiple SMD capacitors soldered directly
to the FET driver IC; again use no wires.  Trying to obtain the amperes from anywhere else
will lead to failure.

All wires in the excitation coils and collector must be litz type.  Use a minimum of 400 paralleled,
insulated wires.  The difference between a one-conductor wire and a 400-conductor wire can
easily mean the difference between success and failure.  You will have to build or buy a
soldering pot to be able to successfully solder such fine multiple wires.

Regards, Earl
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

Eldarion
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 20, 2007, 02:20:06 PM
... The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side.

I am not so sure. If the goal is very fast voltage pulses -- short enough such that current has not started to flow we are looking for voltage (longitudinal) waves where the transmission around the torroidal circumference via interwind capacitance dominates. This is a reversal to the normal transverse EM wave propagation. Which is what led me to propose the LWA configuration -- in which the pulse width should match the tuned circuit which is the two capacitances connected by a vertical inductive element and the pulse repetition should be in time with the signal propagation around the circumference of the device... thus (now that I have just thought of it) we have predictions for both the fundamental frequency and the pulse width.

If the transmition of longitudinal waves is an advanced wave phenomenon (as others have shown) then this will lead current flow in the central collector - pushing instead a longitudinal wave down the collector with a virtual current flow radial to the conductor == the exact reverse of normal transverse EM wave propagation we are used to.

cheers

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 20, 2007, 07:14:48 PM
The magnetic field is the conductor. (relating to field forming)

The position of the pulses - or better yet the positional relathionship between the pulses should also be determined based upon the positional relationship between the 'collectors'. The energy passage from one collector to another would be primarily capacitive in the direction of the intended wave. This is still using magnetic fields. If we want water to flow down the drain we must first create a drain and then lead it in the correct direction.
A single loop has nowhere to go unless coiled upon itself or working with another coil.

@Earl

Thanks for inserting those words. I always forget when most think in terms of waves they only think of transverse. When I use the terms it is considering transverse and longitudinal.

As for the GMR. The basic concept is sandwich a conductive layer in two ferrous or ferric layers. Pass parallel or anti-parallel currents through the fe layers to control resistance in the conductive layer. Thanks to Brnbrade I tried the same but using paramagnetic layers sandwiching a copper conductor, in this case a coil and using magnetic 'current' vs. electric current. The best determination I can achieve with old but fairly accurate equipment is that I can stop electric current through the conducting coil or produce a forward curve very similar to a tunnel diode. In effect a magnetic rectifier unlike Tesla. I had a definite arc-over due to weak insulation. I'm rebuilding this weekend to try to reproduce the effect.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: giantkiller on July 20, 2007, 08:51:34 PM
@Eldarion,
Sweep thru frequencies to see the bands of resonance appearing. Exacerbate the ringing. You should see the ring window widening and shrinking. Really not written about but that is where the true experimentation is played out.

And one can only do this when one builds & experiments. No theory, just smack the copper as fast as you can and get out of the way as fast as you can. To quote quasimoto 'I ring the bell for my master'.

--giantkiller. Bands of resonance? It's a start.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Grumpy on July 20, 2007, 09:17:21 PM
Is a magnetic field two opposite spin waves forming a standing wave?
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: giantkiller on July 20, 2007, 10:34:18 PM
I saw the movie 'A sound of thunder'. The key point that was mentioned was 'We spin the particle accellerator faster to create a vortex'.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 01:27:53 AM
@Grumpy
@Giantkiller

Spin and magnetic fileds... let me give an answer to this because it is both simple and profound ...

The electric and magnetic aspects of a spinor ralate to:
electric == it's spin handedness and orientation.
magnetic == the flow of space within the spinor.

Within a spinor there is a closed surface (I show it as a spher but it could be any closed surface) over which space fows continuously. The remarkable thing is that you can do this in 3D space without ever teating or tnagling the connections to the surounding (or interior) space which is stationary.

If you took the line on that surface which represented the average flow you would have a magnetic field line. As it circumscribes a closed surface it will always form a closed loop.

The electric field can be thought of as an axis that passes through the field loop. It is more complicated than that because the flow of space in and around this region is "complicated" compared to the continuously flowing surface that represents the magnetic component. The elcetric component has a direction and a frequency.

I have just begun to create additions of spinors -- however a collection of charge behaves as one giant spinor -- that what charge is. There is a magnetic filed component associated with it -- a closed surface over which space flows continuously.
This leads to some very interesting outcomes/questions when you look at non simple topologies like a torroid -- you cant stretch a single spinor into a toroid without introducing a single node. However you can fit multiple spinors into a toroid -- this fits *exactly* with the behavious of electrons and flux in a superconductor.

I had an inpiration this morning and whope to do some animations to show what a longitudinal wave would look like traveling around a toroid... this also appears to explain what may be happening in the central collector.

got to go now...

later

Mark.
 
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Omega_0 on July 21, 2007, 06:08:56 AM
Hi Mark,

Good to see you here. I was pleasantly surprised to see your posts here and discovering your 'hidden' personality ;)
I used to post on cgtalk where I remember I had some interaction with you on general forum. I was drawn to this 'free energy' stuff through cgtalk itself, when I saw a thread on Steorn last year. Now I'm hooked. I do post there on cgtalk but very rarely nowadays. (I don't want to reveal my cgtalk handle here because people can easily see who I'm through my cg portfolio. LOL)

Your theories regarding particles being an aspect of spacetime geometry are fascinating. I think its time to get rid of "four fundamental forces" view now, its getting stale. Your posts remind me of vortex theory of electrons/particles, where electrons are pictured as tiny vortices in the dense and fine Aether. They are 'spinning nothings'. There are more theories of there being different kinds of spacetimes too, but these are too far out there.

It also reminds me of Dr Evan's work. I guess you must be already familiar with it. (Website and blog (http://www.atomicprecision.com)). He speaks of magnetic field being a torsion in spacetime (gravity being a simple compression). He also spoke of the Mexican group and their FE tech. He supports his theory with mathematics and has derived some fundamental equations from it. So all very similar to what you say.

I believe, rotating magnetic fields are a doorway to antigravity. Some configuration of magnetic fields moving in a certain way would produce a geometry of spacetime which mimics gravity. The similarity between equations describing gravity and magnetism are blindingly obvious. ( see Gravitomagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism)). There has to be some way of doing it. I don't know yet of course ;)

Now some more interesting stuff. Few days back I did a simulation in 3ds max, of magnetism. I used the 'Wind' force built in max for this, nothing else. From the one end of a box, the wind (spherical) flows out and at the other end one more instance of the wind flows in. There are two particles that are bound to these Wind forces. When you move the dummy around the 'Magnet' you can see that it very closely resembles a compass needle interacting with a magnet. You can move/rotate the magnet around in the view port to see more magnet like behavior, e.g. like poles repelling and unlike one's attracting. All with two Wind objects, nothing more. I'm attaching the file here, it opens with 3ds max 9.

I'm trying to improve it more, via scripting etc. If you can provide any tips, please do. I'll later try to create systems and assemblies and also some real models to see how accurately the 'Wind simulation' predicts.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 07:13:09 AM
@Omega_1

Hi -- I'll bite my tounge and not use your real name ;) -- good to see you here.

This is *just* one aspect of my nature -- so little time and so much to do :)

I can't run the simulations -- don't know whats wrong - tried opening it in max 9. If you want to exchange more max stuff then better do it by PM. I am trying to keep the thread generic and understandable to as many people as possible.

I do have a 3ds Max pluging that creats spinors (single and dual) -- I may consider sharing it with a few beta testers. If anyone is interested PM or email me -- it only runs on 3ds max 9. I plan to do a dirext X version at some stage.


Even if you cant follow it all I recommend anyone to take a look at this Quaternionic Electrodynamics http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vugu5b3zvfo8.pdf

I also reccommend Doug Sweesters excellent material at http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/qindex/qindex.html

And if everyone hasn't looked already there is Professor Hansons work on Visualising Quaternions at http://books.elsevier.com/companions/0120884003/vq/index.html
(my work goes way beyond this but it's not published)

Oh -- and really great general site for maths and all things relevant is Martin Bakers Euclidianspace -- here is the stuff on Spinors http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/groups/spinor/index.htm
on Quaternions http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/realNormedAlgebra/quaternions/index.htm
and on Clifford Maths -- a must read http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/clifford/index.htm

While I am doing references Tony Smith has a truly excellent collection of material and theories that are well worth the time to look over http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/TShome.html
just download his book and go over it offline.

Myron Evans and thae AIAS -- very familar. There are many errors in Myrons 'papers' that he refuses to discuss with anyone. He does not add anything to the area that others have not already done and done better. The "Mexican Device" Evans talks about is the one I went to Mexico to see... it is my opinion that it's basd on the same principals as the TPU, although it's a lot more advanced.

See the Roger Penrose Twistor Theory here http://universe-review.ca/R15-19-twistor.htm

cheers

Mark.

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Motorcoach1 on July 21, 2007, 08:21:00 AM
mm sorry Dr Snoswel i posted a photo of my small torroid months ago on a bi stable coil with a ring inside and manix shows up with an image with a cit=rcut  mmmm don't do 3 off theses , drop a ball bearing ing the middel at the right freq and it might dissapeiear,,,,
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 21, 2007, 02:17:05 PM
AH -- what the heck... Here are two configurations that I came up with a while ago to create spin resonators.

To be clear -- these are concepts that I came up with completly independantly from any "detective" or replication work. I devised these entierly based on my work on quaternion spinors.

I dont know if this would work -- they are just concepts. However I put them up here as they seem to have a great deal in common with things being discussed. However -- look **caerfully at the winding directions. There are aspects to these that differ significantly from what people are discussing and from what classical experience would suggest **note the counter wound arangements.

cheers

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on July 21, 2007, 11:55:25 PM
By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Bob,

Could you elaborate a bit more on that setup?  Was the additional power drawn from the DC bias supply, or did more power appear from nowhere?  Could I get a crude schematic of the experiment? :)

Thanks!

Eldarion
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 22, 2007, 12:43:08 PM
I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.




Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.

I can feel the frustration in this thread ? I don?t want to add to that but at the same time I think a step back may be needed. There are assumptions being made that are unfounded and some things are being overlooked.

First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

2.   Why the very strange earth point? ? as described the whole drive system will float high on a pulse? and it?s a floating potential dependant on the impedance of the coils and the pulse current. They make a particular point of the earth arrangement in the patent. This sort of detail would normally not be worth of comment in a simple system like this.

3.   The pulse sequence is complicated ? in a quick reading of this thread I don?t recall seeing anyone get it right -- apologies if I am wrong. Given the data in the patent there is a sequence of pulses applied to a first coil. These pulses alternate between two values which are at least 50V apart? eg, 200, 200, 300, 300, 300, 200, 200, 200 etc.   with the number of repeats at one level being random from 1 ? 3 (preferentially). This sequence is followed at a very short time interval by the same sequence x 2.5 amplitude on a second winding. So in our example above the second winding would be pulsed with 500, 500, 700, 700, 700, 300, 300  However the effect will work without regular period and with any amplitude ratio as long as the second set is larger and higher than 50V above the first set. Why? ... could this be due to the equivelant frequency increace of electrons with voltage (energy = frequency) or due to an expanding collective wave or due to a non-linear pumping of the second wave in the wake of the first?

4.   The use of two windings allows for very short delay intervals between the pulse trains ? a delay that is less than the pulse duration. This implies that it is the pulse front that is the effective factor here. Furthermore they say that wider spacing of coils ? or more interleaved coils allows for a wider time between the first and second set of pulses. This implies a wave front that is traveling in one direction. ? They do state that a single coil can be used but they imply that the delay between the two pulse streams is too short for this to be practical. Although they also state that an effect can be seen with a single coil and a single pulse train -- but they never once state that you dont need pulses of at least 50V difference in the pulse train.

5.   They give no hint as to why random amplitudes, phase delayed pulse streams or the two level pulse stream is required. Therefore we can?t make any assumptions -- It could either be essential for the function of the effect or it could be to prevent runaway oscillations destroying their devices and equipment.

6.   They state that the device generates magnetic field that is thousands of times greater than the permanent magnet. They give no details of how they measured this. We cannot assume it is a magnetic field they are measuring ? although they clearly measure something that behaves like a magnetic field. Even a microsecond pulse of a 2000 T magnetic field will literally explode both the magnet and the surrounding coil.  ? a simple example? try hold two neodymium magnets side by side such that their north and south poles face the same way ? the repulsion is great. The magnet experiences these self repulsion forces internally which contributes to the fragility of high field magnets.  Likewise ? a pulse of 2000 T field will induce a current spike and a physical force that will explode any surrounding coil? so either they start out with milli Tesla field strengths or they may not be dealing with a magnetic field but something else/new that has some characteristics of a magnetic field.

Whatever the peculiarities of their devices testing is well within the reach of everyone. The description of their motor embodiment only uses 1MHz pulse repetition with 100ns pulse widths. This is quite slow and well within the reach of modest solid state designs.

I am still studying the motor aspects of the patent and may come back with more comments later.

Cheers

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Grumpy on July 22, 2007, 04:52:09 PM
Regarding the magnet material - I believe they are implying that the material is arbitrary and that any permanent magnet material will work.  They go on to state that an elecromagnet or universal magnetic field (such as planetary or solar field) will also work.

This appears similar to an effect that Cyril Smith (physicist associated with MPI (Gunderson patent)) speaks of here:

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/Vacuum-energy.html

Sounds like  the pulses at one end of the magnet effect the pulses at the other end, before they leave the magnetic field, increasing their energy.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Super God on July 25, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: tao on July 25, 2007, 12:11:42 AM
Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.

Permanent magnets are not required to a working TPU, Steven Mark said so.

Electromagnets maybe, but EXPLICITLY, permanent magnets are not needed.

Title: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Earl on July 25, 2007, 12:59:58 AM
I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.

Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.
[snip]
First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

Hi Mark, hi All,
when they mention iron cobalt they really mean what is usually called somarium cobalt.

From http://www.allmagnetics.com/smco.htm

Permanent Samarium Cobalt magnets (SmCo) are composed of samarium, cobalt and iron.

Neodymium permanent magnets (Nd-Fe-B) are composed of neodymium, iron, boron and a few transition metals.

NEO and SC material are very similar, SC is more expensive and functions to higher temperature.
They are both rare earth super magnet material in contrast to ferrite.

The patent text is brillantly written to say everything without saying anything.  For example, it says wind turns arround a magnet, then it says but maybe not around the magnet, but next to it, or near to it.  There are multiple ways to interpret the text and this is exactly what the author intended.  The patent text is only a starting point, the rest is intuition and building then testing.  Don't ignore the motor stator part, which also has coils around magnets.

Regards, Earl
[snip]

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 26, 2007, 07:58:56 AM
In answer to a private question about one of the many alternate views on how things waor I was prompted to scribe the following...

I have seen lots of theories and talk about how things really work and how classical and quantum theories are wrong. Most of the proponents of these new theories are just looking at phenomenon and merely rearranging current concepts attempting to find a better fit. I got tired of this approach and decided to *really* start from scratch.... asking questions like what constitutes a universe? What constitutes a dimension? Can we have fractional dimensions?

 I am still on the journey and I have just arrived at 3+1 = 4 dimensions. What I have discovered so far is that all you need is a consistent 3 dimensional fabric (universe ? nodes and connections in a 3D plank length mesh) that has a tendency to uniformity and finite propagation speed ? with just this you appear to get everything. I discovered that awkward concepts like relativity became a simple (trivial in fact) consequence of a finite propagation speed. The real eye opener was the fundamental types of oscillation that become possible as you increase integer dimensions:

1(2) dimensions ? longitudinal oscillations.    Complex.
2(3) dimensions ? longitudinal + transverse oscillations.    not consistent ?
3(4) dimensions ? longitudinal + transverse + spin.    Quaternion.
4(5) dimensions - longitudinal + transverse + spin + hyper-spin.    not consistent?
...
7( 8 ) dimensions ? 7 oscillation types.    Octonion.

(Time) is a dimension in the above ? I find it usefull to think of time as finite propagation speed or even just as a consequence of a perfect integer dimension... I know that sounds out there ? I suspect that it?s one of those things that you just never completely get until you derive it for yourself. I don?t think expressing it in mathematical terms (even if I could) would help; you?d just have to learn the same concepts except with the added layer of formal mathematical abstraction... anyway... Including the ?time? dimension you get the dimensions in brackets above.

To be fair what I refer to as a ?tendency to uniformity? really has to be considered a dimension from the point of independent parameters that determine our universe. However it is really no different than stating there is a finite propagation speed ? these things reduce to the same thing and are what we call ?time?. If I am failing to make this clear that because it?s such a fundamental expansion to the intuitive concept of time -- a much richer understanding. Time = finite propagation = restoring force = tendency to uniformity = self consistent integer dimension universe. ... different words: same thing.

I also put the names of the maths for rotations in the above list ? complex numbers are two dimensional circular numbers. Quaternions are 4 dimensional circular numbers and Octionions are 8 dimensional circular numbers. By circular I mean that they are periodic == their major number axis runs in a circle (hypercircle etc) ? whereas the real number axis is linear (well actually it?s often better to think of it as circular but on an circle of infinite radius).

What is interesting is that only 2, 4 and 8  (possibly 16 dimensions but that?s arguable)  dimensional number systems work consistently in this manner. This is the same sort of thing as only the integer dimensions working in that they are internally consistent and support time. I mention this because it is possible that we live in an 8 dimensional universe and not a 4 ? there are a number of researches who believe this to be the case. I don?t yet have a clear opinion on that ? I am still grappling with the wonderful complexity that springs from 4 dimensional space and spin oscillations which can be described by quaternion maths...

Where I am at now is visualising how spinors interact ? I think of electric gradients as not just spin gradients but the separation of two opposite spinners. This leads to some startling conclusions that appear, when you get your head around them, to fit a lot of the unusual behaviour that Tesla and other since have struggled with... and I don?t just mean fit, I mean *explain*. I suspect there is a lifetime of results to flow from just this little area without ever needing to go to higher dimensions and more exotic theories. I have been astounded over the past two weeks just how many things have fitted together... ideas I have predicted that turn out to have multiple experimental validations.

These are exciting times indeed.

cheers

mark.

I'll post some graphics to make up for all these words next time ;)
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- tetrahedron pic and animation
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 26, 2007, 08:17:56 AM
People are always talking about tetrahedrons and their unique properties...

...so here is a little eyecandy to make people think. Apart from being the platonic solid for 3 dimentions they have some interesting symetries when you add the 4th dimention in the manner shown here... Take a *very* close look at the symetries -- they are not what most people expect!

cheers

mark.

The title for the still is not correct it's not a borromean linkage -- dont miss the animation which is correctly labeled!
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Grumpy on July 26, 2007, 07:10:45 PM
Wilbert Smith had a nice way of explaining things.

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm

He devided the universe into 4 fabrics of 3 parameters each:

From Wilbert Smith - "The New Science"
Four fabrics of three parameters (dimensions) resulting in a total of 12 parameters

The Four Fabrics:
1. Space fabric
2. field fabric
3. control fabric
4. percipitation fabric

The 12 paramters arranged by their fabrics:

1. Space fabric parameters
  a. length
   b. area
   c. volume
2. Field fabric parameters
  a. Density (gradient) (scalar) (change) (Tempic (torsion or spin)  field)
   b. Divergence (stable condition) (vector and scalar)(Electric field)
   c. Curl (2 vectors and scalar)(deviation)(dynamic) (Magnetic field)
(complete quadrature freedom between space and field means that we work in a 6 dimensional continuum consisting of the space and field frabrics)
3. Control fabric parameters
   a. orientation (mag field orientation is random)
(only 7 parameters required to study a single particle ? the others are required to do something to the particle)
   b. decision (free will)
   c. Sequence (order or specific arrangement ? establishes symmetry)
4. Perception fabric parameters (subject to modification by Awareness)
   a. form (boundary of reality)
   b. Multiplicity (more than one form is established)
   c. Aggregation (assembly of bits into a Purposeful Structure)

Time is the gradient of spin.

The fields are only a subset of the parameters and inadequate to define the universe.

We are as much a part of our universe as it is a part of us.

EDIT:

Dave Lowrance has studied the work of Wilbert Smith and performed man experiments.

Dave's page on the Control Fabric with images: http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/ControlFabric.htm

Study will show that the Work of Dave and Wilbert Smith can be correlated to that of Walter Russell. 

Time flow rate - or rate of entropy - increases with density.  So, by increasing pressure, or torsion, we increase density and the rate of time flow or entropy.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: BEP on July 27, 2007, 03:25:21 AM
@Mark,

I would like to see a scope tied to that! Always 6 fields cancelling out while also amplifying the other six fields.

Probably has virtual control over position of nodes just by adjusting phase relationship between coils. Charge position control? I can't even picture the creation and movement of vortices. Infinite inductance? The reason 720 degrees must be understood in spinor rotation?

A circle isn't really 360 degrees - is it?
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: not_a_mib on July 28, 2007, 04:49:53 AM
It is only a matter of time until someone posts this link.
http://ridinspinors.ytmnd.com/
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 28, 2007, 05:50:53 AM
A circle isn't really 360 degrees - is it?

In our 3(1) universe you can walk around a circle -- you can get a particle to travel around a circlar path if it remains oriented the same way ... these are 360 deg rotations. *BUT* if you rotate a particle around 360 deg you are only half way there -- you have to rotate it another 360 degrees to get back to the start. In doing this 720 deg spin the particle is forced to go through rotations in all three dimentions.  (there are an infinite set of 3(1) dimentional spinors that have any multiple of 720 deg)

This is they key -- roatation is a phantom, it's a virtual relationship between things -- a mathematical construct. Rotating fields and rotating machines are boring -- they are 2D things that happen to sit in a 3D world. We want to travel into new teritory and explore what happens when you play with spin = rotating things in 3 dimentions at the same time.


@not_a_mib
Great theory -- really bad rap ;)
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on July 28, 2007, 06:02:38 AM
Wilbert Smith had a nice way of explaining things. http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm ...
Dave Lowrance has studied the work of Wilbert Smith and performed man experiments.
Dave's page on the Control Fabric with images: http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/ControlFabric.htm
Study will show that the Work of Dave and Wilbert Smith can be correlated to that of Walter Russell. 
Time flow rate - or rate of entropy - increases with density.  So, by increasing pressure, or torsion, we increase density and the rate of time flow or entropy.

I get the feeling that these are going in the right direction -- very different words and expressions that I would use but in the right direction.

My interest in theory and concept is only as a tool for intelegent design and engineering of new devices to make our lives easier and to make our environment better. Too much theory becomes a self sustaining reality in it's own right -- but it wont pay my heating bills or replace fossil fuels ;)

cheers

mark.
Title: Spinor resonance - Let's start building
Post by: Earl on July 28, 2007, 04:40:37 PM
Hi Mark, hi All,

Let's define some 3D excitation for the vectors

AB, AC, and AD and start building.

TAO thinks the control coil excitation without current flow causes an electrostatic charge to be transferred to the collector; a weak vector BA followed by a much stronger vector AB.  The OpenTPU has two magnetostatic biases, say AD or DA.  Mark has said he doesn't think my electrostatic field is correct, but should instead be connected gavanically to the collector.

Let us have a brain storming and decide what should go where.  It is time to start moving the pieces of the puzzle into place and then warming up the soldering iron.

Regards, Earl
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: bitRAKE on July 31, 2007, 09:36:11 PM
@Mark,

regarding the tetrahedron with the loops on each face - what signal could be present in each loop and be mutually supportive? Some rather complex environmental conditions I could not wrap my head around.

The animation is more along the lines of what I've been pondering. Supportive signals that modify/contain the potential within the structure. I'm not flirting with Maxwell's demon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon) - at this time I'm just trying to maintain a field difference with minimal energy input.

If there are structures complementary to "nature" then COP>1 should be possible.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- TPU devices -- EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
Post by: MarkSnoswell on September 25, 2007, 10:09:51 AM
This isn't about spinors and there is a lot more happening in this setup under different drive conditions that I dont want to discuss now...

However I thought people would be interested in this set of results that support/demonstrate longitudinal wave transmission and induction.
Oh ... and it generates a rotating magnetic field.



This is a demonstration of longitudinal wave transmission and induction between toroidal coils wound on a ferrite core.
There are three images attached:
1.   3D render of coil and core configuration. (to scale with colour coding of coils for clarity)
2.   Photograph of the oscilloscope traces from the 4 secondary coils. (labels match the 3D render)
3.   Photograph of the experimental setup. (the configuration matches 3D render).

A sine wave signal was injected into the open ended primary (orange in the 3D render) winding.
The induced signals in the secondary windings are in sequence CCW relative to the drive signal: -90 deg (blue), 0 deg (cyan), 90deg (red) and 180 deg (green).

The results are essentially the same with a square wave drive with the addition of a number of higher harmonics in the Blue and Red coils; no change in the Green coil signal and some harmonics in the Cyan coil signal.

Notes on the Experimental setup:
Core: Ferroxcube, Custom batch: 717809, Type: T140/106/25-3C90
Inner diameter 106mm, Outer diameter 140mm, height 25mm.
5 coils wound as shown in the 3D illustration (Illustration is to scale):
All coils wound from: AWG20 silver plated solid copper, Teflon insulation.
4 secondaries, 25 poloidal CCW turns spanning 90deg CCW toroidally.
1 primary, 100 poloidal CCW turns spanning 360 deg CCW toroidally.
Signal generator: HP 33120A.
Input signal: 10V PP sine @ 1,805,000 Hz.


Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: tinu on September 25, 2007, 02:05:38 PM
@ Dr. Mark Snoswell

Very interesting posts, Mark. I truly appreciate all of them a lot but never had the chance to say it to you until now.

The above experiment is interesting as well. I?ve seen the same effects in the past and consequently I have one question thought. Why do you call it longitudinal wave? At first it occurred to me that it is a real proof of longitudinal wave but after playing a while with various setups I came to the conclusion that it can be well explained by conventional theory. Mainly it?s about capacitive coupling between inductively driven coils. Would you mind commenting on it, please?

Many thanks,
Tinu
Title: Spinor resonance -- TPU devices -- EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
Post by: Earl on September 25, 2007, 03:24:59 PM
This isn't about spinors and there is a lot more happening in this setup under different drive conditions that I dont want to discuss now...

However I thought people would be interested in this set of results that support/demonstrate longitudinal wave transmission and induction.
Oh ... and it generates a rotating magnetic field.
Well I found your experiment interesting.

How does one best define longitudinal resonance?  max. amplitude or exact quadrature phase?

This is a demonstration of longitudinal wave transmission and induction between toroidal coils wound on a ferrite core.
What happens as you vary the excitation frequency up and down?
Do amplitudes change?
Does inter-winding phase change?

And the big question:  what happens when you flip over the torroid, in general, and in particular does the direction of field rotation change?

A sine wave signal was injected into the open ended primary
If the open primary end was grounded, I could see a 4:1 voltage reduction in the secondaries.  To see higher voltage on the secondary when the primary is open is very disturbing to a traditional brain.

The results are essentially the same with a square wave drive with the addition of a number of higher harmonics in the Blue and Red coils; no change in the Green coil signal and some harmonics in the Cyan coil signal.
I would think that the effects would be almost identical in all 4 secondaries.

I would like to know what happens when the square wave duty cycle is reduced and changes to a small, fast pulse?

Would also like to know how sensitive are the secondary voltages with respect to resistive load?

Regards, Earl
Title: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Earl on September 25, 2007, 03:52:57 PM
Mark,

I just had an idea.  If you take a CD4046 or 74HC4046 PLL (Phase-Locked-Loop) IC and put it in the center of the toroid and ground it and one side of all 4 secondaries to a small metal disk or scrap of copper-clad PCB.  Set up the PLL circuit according to datasheet and application notes (if you need help, I have lots of experience with the 4046).  Configure the osc. C and R's for the frequencies of interest.  Design the PLL low-pass filter (look at datasheet/ ANs/ Inet research).  Use the exclusive-OR phase detector and NOT the pulse detector.  Two secondary outputs go into the PLL circuit inputs, at best through series resistors for protection.  The PLL osc will move its frequency until the two concerned secondary coils exhibit a 90 phase difference.  Bingo, you now have an oscillator that will search out and lock onto the longitudinal resonance.  Don't forget to by-pass the IC supply voltage pins with one or two ceramic capacitors.  The osc output is square-wave and would not be loaded by an open coil.  The sq wave could be rounded into a sine wave with a simple L/C low-pass filter.  Search for a low-pass filter for a 160m or 80m ham radio QRP transmitter (QRP is Ham talk for low-power).
Using the following words in Google brings up 23k responses:  qrp 160m low pass filter.
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9902044.pdf
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9806039.pdf

Or you could transform the sq wave osc signal into a small, sharp pulse using my favorite 74HC74 D-F/F circuit.

A self-adjusting longitudinal oscillator to play with.

What do you think? 
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: acerzw on September 25, 2007, 08:21:00 PM
@all

Simple circuit I found on a video demonstrating how to use longitudinal waves/transmission.

Acerwz
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Dingus Mungus on September 26, 2007, 07:11:04 AM
@all

Simple circuit I found on a video demonstrating how to use longitudinal waves/transmission.

Acerwz

Thats the same test bed used by Boarderlands Labs in the early 90's. The video is up on google.
If you haven't watched their LMD videos yet, then I suggest you do so at your earliest convenience.

~Dingus Mungus
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: bolt on September 29, 2007, 08:09:11 AM
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Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: EMdevices on October 01, 2007, 06:19:54 AM
Mark,

Nice setup and results, thanks for posting.

I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference. 


Anyway, I don't want to belabor this point, but it's worth thinking about this.   Standing waves vs. Rotating (traveling) waves in a CIRCULAR path.  What's the difference?   What you need now is a DIRECTIONAL COUPLER.  

Here's why:  Standing waves in a ring are the result of TWO counter-rotating waves.   It is the interference of these waves that produces the so called "Standing" wave.    With a Directional Coupler, you can supress one of these waves and then you truly will have a one way ROTATING wave.   And if this wave is fed in sync, it will grow, and you will have build up of energy in the ring!!!  This is the SM secret. 

So once again the basics are:

1)  Resonant Build up, by using a frequency and wavelength that's a fraction of the circumference.

2)  Supressing rotation in one direction ONLY, by clever Directional Couplers   :)


EM

P.S.   I added a MatLab simulation of standing waves as a result of counter-rotating waves.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on October 01, 2007, 08:51:40 AM
Mark,I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference. 

yes -- exactly!  You got it :)

I believe I have a way of establishing the standing waves in a metastabe way -- so they would start to rotate faster and faster untill they reach an equilbrium which should be just below the shokwave velocity in the material. This is how I read SM's description of his startup... the nonrotating standing waves give rise to the aparent statc field within the device on startup -- which starts to rotate (the magnetic field) faster and faster over the period of seconds. You would expect the rotating stnading waves to be able to drive a significant low impedance current in a pickup coil.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on November 18, 2007, 12:27:25 PM
Hi,
   I can now make conical coils... I perfected the procedure for making them on the fifth try.

I plan to make 3 pairs of counter wound 45 deg coils like this and interleave them with a flat spiral and thin solenoid coils to match the spinor prediction I rendered.

If warranted I can lathe up moulds for larger coils and different angles. I figured this size is a good place to start ? and I had the aluminium rod stock lying around the workshop.

Cheers

Mark.

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on November 25, 2007, 11:57:59 PM
Mark,I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference. 

yes -- exactly!  You got it :)

I believe I have a way of establishing the standing waves in a metastabe way -- so they would start to rotate faster and faster untill they reach an equilbrium which should be just below the shokwave velocity in the material. This is how I read SM's description of his startup... the nonrotating standing waves give rise to the aparent statc field within the device on startup -- which starts to rotate (the magnetic field) faster and faster over the period of seconds. You would expect the rotating stnading waves to be able to drive a significant low impedance current in a pickup coil.

Mark,

I think you my have found the working principle!!! :o ;D

Now, how would you set the standing waves into rotation?  Or is that what still needs to be worked on?

I'll give it a shot and see if I can set up these waves in my core or not...

Eldarion
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on November 26, 2007, 02:33:52 AM
I believe I have a way of establishing the standing waves in a metastable way -- so they would start to rotate faster and faster until they reach an equilibrium which should be just below the shockwave velocity in the material ... You would expect the rotating standing waves to be able to drive a significant low impedance current in a pickup coil.
Now, how would you set the standing waves into rotation?  Or is that what still needs to be worked on?

possibly like this...

Feedback from individual collectors to corresponding segments would all start in sync. Without any controls to keep the signals in sync I think they will begin to fall into sequential triggering... gaining speed initially and then reaching a final rotational speed determined by the materials and radiation losses.

another way of stating that...

The segments would feedback in a blocking oscillator arrangement -- when you add an energy gain this results in a Van der pol oscillator solution. The set of oscillators on the segments would tend to seek a natural collective synchronization over time.

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on November 26, 2007, 04:02:07 AM
Wow, that is almost identical to an idea I had recently which involved three blocking oscillators on my six-primary-winding core.  The only reason I didn't try it was because of SM's insistence on sine wave purity, but I think I have reason enough to try it now! ;D

Eldarion
Title: Toroidal Bifilar Capacitor - TBC
Post by: MarkSnoswell on December 12, 2007, 06:33:25 AM
I came up with this idea a little while back and figured it was time to make it public...

The attached video describes how charge applied to a Toroidal Bi-filar Capacitor (TBC) will result in an electrostatic pulse traveling around the centre of the toroidal path in sync with the TBC charge front.


Classical EM analysis shows that you get complimentary electro static field's (ESF) inside and outside a TBC. These ESF's occur and follow the pulse front as the TBC charges up. The animation depicts the generation of the ESF pulse generated inside the TBC. Not shown is the complimentary ESF that surrounds the pulse front on the outside.

The idea is that the ESF pulse drives a current pulse along a central accumulator. In an operational device the TBC would be made in 4 segments with each segment firing sequentially -- triggered by the pulse arriving from the previous segment. You could also try a segmented accumulator (collector) with each segment connected to the next TBC segment.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: eldarion on December 12, 2007, 08:01:43 PM
Hi Mark,

Very nice video you have there! :)

So I assume the charging pulse would be applied across the red and blue wires at the bottom of the video?

Thanks,

Eldarion
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on December 12, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
Very nice video you have there! :)
So I assume the charging pulse would be applied across the red and blue wires at the bottom of the video?

Yes -- make your toroidal windings with 2 core wire. Pulse one end and you get an electro static field pulse generated in the middle. This is just "normal" EM induction. The new thing is looking at 2 core toroidal windings as a capacitor and not as an inductor.

mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 12, 2007, 09:51:26 PM
Thanks Mark.

Brilliant animation and reasoning.

I take it that this does not only apply to a toroid coil but would equally apply to a standard coil wound in this manner. Like the Stubblefield coil for instance.

Ir this correct?

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on December 12, 2007, 09:55:33 PM
Brilliant animation and reasoning.
I take it that this does not only apply to a toroid coil but would equally apply to a standard coil wound in this manner. Like the Stubblefield coil for instance.

Yes. When pulse charging any bifilar capacitor there will be a ESF pulse that travels down the center of the coil. There is also an oposing polarity circular ESF pulse that travels down the outside of the coil.

Mark.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 12, 2007, 10:11:39 PM
Thanks Mark

 ;D ;D

Hans
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: joe dirt on December 13, 2007, 06:10:22 AM
Hi Mark  :)

Nice animation, thanks for making this, I find it coincidental that some of the old crt yokes have
  bifilar winding with the deflection coils (whatever they are called)  maybe this played a part in
  the "supposed" trouble they had with them, though I can,t find a single story on the web about it.
I attached a pic with the single coil.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Grumpy on December 17, 2007, 05:26:40 AM
Nice simulation.

What does reality show us?
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on December 21, 2007, 08:39:54 AM
Nice simulation. What does reality show us?

LOL... exactly what I said. Let me put another way...

The displacement current in a toroidal bifilar capacitor creates a electrostatic pulse to travel down the center of the toroidal path. You could drive a current spike around a toroidal loop (collector) in this manner. Due to the toroidal winding this will be a slow pulse -- you could tune the device such that the rotational frequency of the pulse (around the toroidal circumference) was an integer fraction of the resonant frequency of the toroidal loop. This would lead to some interesting harmonic combinations and resonances between the TBC and the toroidal collector.

@Joe   What a wierd looking coil -- no, I didn't know the old deflection coils looked like that or were bifilar. This is interesting and would leng support to SM's lates of TV's detonating with massive magnetic pulses.

Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on January 08, 2008, 02:56:54 AM
Last year I rendered a set of topologies for 3 toroidal coils surrounding 3 circular collectors. With the recent work on one of these configurations I figured it was a good time to post the full set.

Some of these are very interesting. I propose a standard reference for talking about these as follows:

1.       From bottom to top the collectors always be colour coded Red Green and Blue (RGB).

2.       Left to right notation corresponds to bottom to top coils.

3.       Dashes, ?.? or ?:?, denote circular collectors of one or two turns respectively.

4.       Brackets, ?()?, denote full toroidal control coils.

The reason for these configurations is that toroidal volumes coul filter out spin modes. Therfore nested and linked toroidal volumes could be an effective means for controlling and tapping spin energy of electrons.

The follwing renders are for configurations:
(.) (.) (.)
(. (.) ) (.)
(. (.) (.) )
( (.) .) (.)
( (. .) ) (.)
( (. .) (.) )
( (.) (.) .)
( (. (.) ) .)
( (. (.) .) )
( ( (.) .) .)

It is the last one ( ( (.) .) .)   that Otto refers to as "three stack". This nested configuration is perhaps better understood by the render attached in the next post.

 
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on January 08, 2008, 03:00:27 AM
This render is instructive in demostrating the topology that offers the most control over filtering of 4D spin modes.

( ( (.) .) .)

This is the topology that Oto has nicknames "three stack".
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Rosphere on January 08, 2008, 04:32:19 AM
This is the topology that Oto has nicknames "three stack".

Otto posted this yesterday.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3779.0;attach=16218;image)
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: slapper on January 08, 2008, 05:15:35 AM
Thanks Mark. Your contributions are very impressive.

I'm hoping that someone can enlighten me as to how the red coil influences the electron movement in the blue coil as an example.

Will an electron traveling one turn in the red coil cause an electron to move in the blue coil one complete turn as well?

Will the electrons in each coil spin the same direction?

Thanks and take care.

nap
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on January 08, 2008, 07:19:03 AM
@Ronosphere
yea -- that particular configuration was identified by Lindsay originally. The claim is that SM confirmed it.

in addition to the set of topologies I listed there are other high order topologies that may work even better -- but anything that works is good.

@slapper
The red green and blue coils have signals applied to them. The hyposthsis is that it may be possible to restrict the spin modes to a singular eigenvalue in the innermost collector with the correct signals appied to the three nested toroidal control coils -- if this is the case then tapping of the spin energy of electrons may be possible.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: slapper on January 08, 2008, 08:11:01 AM
Thanks Mark.
The red green and blue coils have signals applied to them. The hyposthsis is that it may be possible to restrict the sin modes to a singular eigenvalue in the innermost collector with the correct signals appied to the three nested toroidal control coils -- if this is the case then taping of the spin energy of electrons may be possible.
Will an electron traveling one turn in the red coil cause an electron to move in the blue coil one complete turn as well?
Will the electrons in each coil spin the same direction?
I am just getting out of the starting gate and you replied with finish line material. I have to admit that I was somewhat confused with the attraction to the
multi-collector (more than two) control coil configurations. Thank you for shedding light inside this (me) dimwit.

Take care.

nap
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on May 02, 2010, 03:35:55 PM
if your still thinking electrons your not even close  ;) ...

just tickling the thread to see whose still out there.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Talath on May 13, 2010, 11:01:02 PM
Still here?  I just got here, and have been reading more than I thought possible.  It's nice to get into something that already has a lot of experimentation being shared.  It really helps me to jump in a little higher on the learning curve.  I certainly liked the coil pics that you'd posted some years ago.  The thousand words adage.  I'm building a small square wave generator.  It's SS, so I'm not sure how effective it will be.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: MarkSnoswell on November 08, 2010, 08:05:51 AM
Wow -- activity on the thread. Yes I am still around - doing real work in the new energy area as CTO of Chava www.chavaenergy.com amongst other things that I still do such as being president of the CGSociety www.cgSociety.org
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 05, 2020, 07:17:34 PM
Interresting man.


Edit: Dam!

 ?!

Altho this is impressive theres no way a TV repairman could establish his theory to this.

But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 05, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
Hi Bob, Mark,

Got a question for you gentlemen...

Based on your theories/ideas/devices and your talk of having a DC bias so as to encourage the energy gain, what do you make of the statements below given by Steven Mark? Do you think Steven's use of the word 'circuit potential' is akin to your 'DC bias potential' ?


Here are some quotes from Steven Mark:

"However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow."

"If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space."


I might add, and of course you surely already know, in the open TPU we can clearly see open ends on the red windings...

What is he talking about?

Wich video.
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 05, 2020, 08:42:56 PM
Anyways, this is all VERY VERY confusing at the same time I realsie things dont just work like you expect them to.

Weird stuff indeead.

Must be alien technology.

Must read more of Tao...
Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2020, 09:01:28 PM
Who/what Vid is he talking about ?? You Mr Fancy pants AI super snooper ??...can't find a Video ?? !! Scrap Iron AI junk....Yes Tao = Schmart Cookie...
You make me sad when I see Heros no longer here...Gustav...Otto ...
men who should have Plaques here...makes the heart Ache..
This Mark S sure could write lots of fancy stuff....



Title: Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
Post by: Toolofcortex on February 05, 2020, 09:06:08 PM
Probably one of the available videos we got... Just cant seem to see where.

Getta clue ya dummy, why dont you order somebody to watch it and report back.

I think, hes too fancy for his own good you know..

How can SM think along these lines?

I thought he noticed something and went from there?