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### Author Topic: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices  (Read 108594 times)

#### MarkSnoswell

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #75 on: July 28, 2007, 05:50:53 AM »
A circle isn't really 360 degrees - is it?

In our 3(1) universe you can walk around a circle -- you can get a particle to travel around a circlar path if it remains oriented the same way ... these are 360 deg rotations. *BUT* if you rotate a particle around 360 deg you are only half way there -- you have to rotate it another 360 degrees to get back to the start. In doing this 720 deg spin the particle is forced to go through rotations in all three dimentions.  (there are an infinite set of 3(1) dimentional spinors that have any multiple of 720 deg)

This is they key -- roatation is a phantom, it's a virtual relationship between things -- a mathematical construct. Rotating fields and rotating machines are boring -- they are 2D things that happen to sit in a 3D world. We want to travel into new teritory and explore what happens when you play with spin = rotating things in 3 dimentions at the same time.

@not_a_mib
Great theory -- really bad rap

#### MarkSnoswell

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #76 on: July 28, 2007, 06:02:38 AM »
Wilbert Smith had a nice way of explaining things. http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm ...
Dave Lowrance has studied the work of Wilbert Smith and performed man experiments.
Dave's page on the Control Fabric with images: http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/ControlFabric.htm
Study will show that the Work of Dave and Wilbert Smith can be correlated to that of Walter Russell.
Time flow rate - or rate of entropy - increases with density.  So, by increasing pressure, or torsion, we increase density and the rate of time flow or entropy.

I get the feeling that these are going in the right direction -- very different words and expressions that I would use but in the right direction.

My interest in theory and concept is only as a tool for intelegent design and engineering of new devices to make our lives easier and to make our environment better. Too much theory becomes a self sustaining reality in it's own right -- but it wont pay my heating bills or replace fossil fuels

cheers

mark.

#### Earl

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##### Spinor resonance - Let's start building
« Reply #77 on: July 28, 2007, 04:40:37 PM »
Hi Mark, hi All,

Let's define some 3D excitation for the vectors

AB, AC, and AD and start building.

TAO thinks the control coil excitation without current flow causes an electrostatic charge to be transferred to the collector; a weak vector BA followed by a much stronger vector AB.  The OpenTPU has two magnetostatic biases, say AD or DA.  Mark has said he doesn't think my electrostatic field is correct, but should instead be connected gavanically to the collector.

Let us have a brain storming and decide what should go where.  It is time to start moving the pieces of the puzzle into place and then warming up the soldering iron.

Regards, Earl

#### bitRAKE

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #78 on: July 31, 2007, 09:36:11 PM »
@Mark,

regarding the tetrahedron with the loops on each face - what signal could be present in each loop and be mutually supportive? Some rather complex environmental conditions I could not wrap my head around.

The animation is more along the lines of what I've been pondering. Supportive signals that modify/contain the potential within the structure. I'm not flirting with Maxwell's demon - at this time I'm just trying to maintain a field difference with minimal energy input.

If there are structures complementary to "nature" then COP>1 should be possible.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2007, 03:48:39 AM by bitRAKE »

#### MarkSnoswell

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- TPU devices -- EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
« Reply #79 on: September 25, 2007, 10:09:51 AM »
This isn't about spinors and there is a lot more happening in this setup under different drive conditions that I dont want to discuss now...

However I thought people would be interested in this set of results that support/demonstrate longitudinal wave transmission and induction.
Oh ... and it generates a rotating magnetic field.

This is a demonstration of longitudinal wave transmission and induction between toroidal coils wound on a ferrite core.
There are three images attached:
1.   3D render of coil and core configuration. (to scale with colour coding of coils for clarity)
2.   Photograph of the oscilloscope traces from the 4 secondary coils. (labels match the 3D render)
3.   Photograph of the experimental setup. (the configuration matches 3D render).

A sine wave signal was injected into the open ended primary (orange in the 3D render) winding.
The induced signals in the secondary windings are in sequence CCW relative to the drive signal: -90 deg (blue), 0 deg (cyan), 90deg (red) and 180 deg (green).

The results are essentially the same with a square wave drive with the addition of a number of higher harmonics in the Blue and Red coils; no change in the Green coil signal and some harmonics in the Cyan coil signal.

Notes on the Experimental setup:
Core: Ferroxcube, Custom batch: 717809, Type: T140/106/25-3C90
Inner diameter 106mm, Outer diameter 140mm, height 25mm.
5 coils wound as shown in the 3D illustration (Illustration is to scale):
All coils wound from: AWG20 silver plated solid copper, Teflon insulation.
4 secondaries, 25 poloidal CCW turns spanning 90deg CCW toroidally.
1 primary, 100 poloidal CCW turns spanning 360 deg CCW toroidally.
Signal generator: HP 33120A.
Input signal: 10V PP sine @ 1,805,000 Hz.

« Last Edit: September 25, 2007, 02:01:51 PM by MarkSnoswell »

#### tinu

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #80 on: September 25, 2007, 02:05:38 PM »
@ Dr. Mark Snoswell

Very interesting posts, Mark. I truly appreciate all of them a lot but never had the chance to say it to you until now.

The above experiment is interesting as well. I?ve seen the same effects in the past and consequently I have one question thought. Why do you call it longitudinal wave? At first it occurred to me that it is a real proof of longitudinal wave but after playing a while with various setups I came to the conclusion that it can be well explained by conventional theory. Mainly it?s about capacitive coupling between inductively driven coils. Would you mind commenting on it, please?

Many thanks,
Tinu

#### Earl

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##### Spinor resonance -- TPU devices -- EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2007, 03:24:59 PM »
This isn't about spinors and there is a lot more happening in this setup under different drive conditions that I dont want to discuss now...

However I thought people would be interested in this set of results that support/demonstrate longitudinal wave transmission and induction.
Oh ... and it generates a rotating magnetic field.
Well I found your experiment interesting.

How does one best define longitudinal resonance?  max. amplitude or exact quadrature phase?

This is a demonstration of longitudinal wave transmission and induction between toroidal coils wound on a ferrite core.
What happens as you vary the excitation frequency up and down?
Do amplitudes change?
Does inter-winding phase change?

And the big question:  what happens when you flip over the torroid, in general, and in particular does the direction of field rotation change?

A sine wave signal was injected into the open ended primary
If the open primary end was grounded, I could see a 4:1 voltage reduction in the secondaries.  To see higher voltage on the secondary when the primary is open is very disturbing to a traditional brain.

The results are essentially the same with a square wave drive with the addition of a number of higher harmonics in the Blue and Red coils; no change in the Green coil signal and some harmonics in the Cyan coil signal.
I would think that the effects would be almost identical in all 4 secondaries.

I would like to know what happens when the square wave duty cycle is reduced and changes to a small, fast pulse?

Would also like to know how sensitive are the secondary voltages with respect to resistive load?

Regards, Earl

#### Earl

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##### Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2007, 03:52:57 PM »
Mark,

I just had an idea.  If you take a CD4046 or 74HC4046 PLL (Phase-Locked-Loop) IC and put it in the center of the toroid and ground it and one side of all 4 secondaries to a small metal disk or scrap of copper-clad PCB.  Set up the PLL circuit according to datasheet and application notes (if you need help, I have lots of experience with the 4046).  Configure the osc. C and R's for the frequencies of interest.  Design the PLL low-pass filter (look at datasheet/ ANs/ Inet research).  Use the exclusive-OR phase detector and NOT the pulse detector.  Two secondary outputs go into the PLL circuit inputs, at best through series resistors for protection.  The PLL osc will move its frequency until the two concerned secondary coils exhibit a 90 phase difference.  Bingo, you now have an oscillator that will search out and lock onto the longitudinal resonance.  Don't forget to by-pass the IC supply voltage pins with one or two ceramic capacitors.  The osc output is square-wave and would not be loaded by an open coil.  The sq wave could be rounded into a sine wave with a simple L/C low-pass filter.  Search for a low-pass filter for a 160m or 80m ham radio QRP transmitter (QRP is Ham talk for low-power).
Using the following words in Google brings up 23k responses:  qrp 160m low pass filter.
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9902044.pdf
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/9806039.pdf

Or you could transform the sq wave osc signal into a small, sharp pulse using my favorite 74HC74 D-F/F circuit.

A self-adjusting longitudinal oscillator to play with.

What do you think?

#### acerzw

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #83 on: September 25, 2007, 08:21:00 PM »
@all

Simple circuit I found on a video demonstrating how to use longitudinal waves/transmission.

Acerwz

#### Dingus Mungus

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #84 on: September 26, 2007, 07:11:04 AM »
@all

Simple circuit I found on a video demonstrating how to use longitudinal waves/transmission.

Acerwz

Thats the same test bed used by Boarderlands Labs in the early 90's. The video is up on google.
If you haven't watched their LMD videos yet, then I suggest you do so at your earliest convenience.

~Dingus Mungus

#### bolt

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2007, 08:09:11 AM »
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« Last Edit: September 30, 2007, 04:14:51 AM by bolt »

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #86 on: October 01, 2007, 06:19:54 AM »
Mark,

Nice setup and results, thanks for posting.

I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference.

Anyway, I don't want to belabor this point, but it's worth thinking about this.   Standing waves vs. Rotating (traveling) waves in a CIRCULAR path.  What's the difference?   What you need now is a DIRECTIONAL COUPLER.

Here's why:  Standing waves in a ring are the result of TWO counter-rotating waves.   It is the interference of these waves that produces the so called "Standing" wave.    With a Directional Coupler, you can supress one of these waves and then you truly will have a one way ROTATING wave.   And if this wave is fed in sync, it will grow, and you will have build up of energy in the ring!!!  This is the SM secret.

So once again the basics are:

1)  Resonant Build up, by using a frequency and wavelength that's a fraction of the circumference.

2)  Supressing rotation in one direction ONLY, by clever Directional Couplers

EM

P.S.   I added a MatLab simulation of standing waves as a result of counter-rotating waves.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2007, 04:23:12 PM by EMdevices »

#### MarkSnoswell

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #87 on: October 01, 2007, 08:51:40 AM »
Mark,I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference.

yes -- exactly!  You got it

I believe I have a way of establishing the standing waves in a metastabe way -- so they would start to rotate faster and faster untill they reach an equilbrium which should be just below the shokwave velocity in the material. This is how I read SM's description of his startup... the nonrotating standing waves give rise to the aparent statc field within the device on startup -- which starts to rotate (the magnetic field) faster and faster over the period of seconds. You would expect the rotating stnading waves to be able to drive a significant low impedance current in a pickup coil.

#### MarkSnoswell

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #88 on: November 18, 2007, 12:27:25 PM »
Hi,
I can now make conical coils... I perfected the procedure for making them on the fifth try.

I plan to make 3 pairs of counter wound 45 deg coils like this and interleave them with a flat spiral and thin solenoid coils to match the spinor prediction I rendered.

If warranted I can lathe up moulds for larger coils and different angles. I figured this size is a good place to start ? and I had the aluminium rod stock lying around the workshop.

Cheers

Mark.

#### eldarion

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##### Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #89 on: November 25, 2007, 11:57:59 PM »
Mark,I hope you are aware, that there is a difference between longitudinal STANDING waves in a ring, and ROTATING longitudinal waves in a ring.

From your results I would deduce you have STANDING waves.   It's clear that there is ELECTRICAL phase variation between the coils separated ANGULARLY by 90, 180, 270, 360, degrees around the circumference.   When the electrical phase is correlated to angular placement like you have, this is a sure sign of STANDING waves of one full wavelength inside the circumference.

yes -- exactly!  You got it

I believe I have a way of establishing the standing waves in a metastabe way -- so they would start to rotate faster and faster untill they reach an equilbrium which should be just below the shokwave velocity in the material. This is how I read SM's description of his startup... the nonrotating standing waves give rise to the aparent statc field within the device on startup -- which starts to rotate (the magnetic field) faster and faster over the period of seconds. You would expect the rotating stnading waves to be able to drive a significant low impedance current in a pickup coil.

Mark,

I think you my have found the working principle!!!

Now, how would you set the standing waves into rotation?  Or is that what still needs to be worked on?

I'll give it a shot and see if I can set up these waves in my core or not...

Eldarion