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Offline Omega_0

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #60 on: July 21, 2007, 06:08:56 AM »
Hi Mark,

Good to see you here. I was pleasantly surprised to see your posts here and discovering your 'hidden' personality ;)
I used to post on cgtalk where I remember I had some interaction with you on general forum. I was drawn to this 'free energy' stuff through cgtalk itself, when I saw a thread on Steorn last year. Now I'm hooked. I do post there on cgtalk but very rarely nowadays. (I don't want to reveal my cgtalk handle here because people can easily see who I'm through my cg portfolio. LOL)

Your theories regarding particles being an aspect of spacetime geometry are fascinating. I think its time to get rid of "four fundamental forces" view now, its getting stale. Your posts remind me of vortex theory of electrons/particles, where electrons are pictured as tiny vortices in the dense and fine Aether. They are 'spinning nothings'. There are more theories of there being different kinds of spacetimes too, but these are too far out there.

It also reminds me of Dr Evan's work. I guess you must be already familiar with it. (Website and blog). He speaks of magnetic field being a torsion in spacetime (gravity being a simple compression). He also spoke of the Mexican group and their FE tech. He supports his theory with mathematics and has derived some fundamental equations from it. So all very similar to what you say.

I believe, rotating magnetic fields are a doorway to antigravity. Some configuration of magnetic fields moving in a certain way would produce a geometry of spacetime which mimics gravity. The similarity between equations describing gravity and magnetism are blindingly obvious. ( see Gravitomagnetism). There has to be some way of doing it. I don't know yet of course ;)

Now some more interesting stuff. Few days back I did a simulation in 3ds max, of magnetism. I used the 'Wind' force built in max for this, nothing else. From the one end of a box, the wind (spherical) flows out and at the other end one more instance of the wind flows in. There are two particles that are bound to these Wind forces. When you move the dummy around the 'Magnet' you can see that it very closely resembles a compass needle interacting with a magnet. You can move/rotate the magnet around in the view port to see more magnet like behavior, e.g. like poles repelling and unlike one's attracting. All with two Wind objects, nothing more. I'm attaching the file here, it opens with 3ds max 9.

I'm trying to improve it more, via scripting etc. If you can provide any tips, please do. I'll later try to create systems and assemblies and also some real models to see how accurately the 'Wind simulation' predicts.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2007, 03:36:17 PM by Omega_0 »

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2007, 07:13:09 AM »
@Omega_1

Hi -- I'll bite my tounge and not use your real name ;) -- good to see you here.

This is *just* one aspect of my nature -- so little time and so much to do :)

I can't run the simulations -- don't know whats wrong - tried opening it in max 9. If you want to exchange more max stuff then better do it by PM. I am trying to keep the thread generic and understandable to as many people as possible.

I do have a 3ds Max pluging that creats spinors (single and dual) -- I may consider sharing it with a few beta testers. If anyone is interested PM or email me -- it only runs on 3ds max 9. I plan to do a dirext X version at some stage.


Even if you cant follow it all I recommend anyone to take a look at this Quaternionic Electrodynamics http://static.scribd.com/docs/4vugu5b3zvfo8.pdf

I also reccommend Doug Sweesters excellent material at http://world.std.com/~sweetser/quaternions/qindex/qindex.html

And if everyone hasn't looked already there is Professor Hansons work on Visualising Quaternions at http://books.elsevier.com/companions/0120884003/vq/index.html
(my work goes way beyond this but it's not published)

Oh -- and really great general site for maths and all things relevant is Martin Bakers Euclidianspace -- here is the stuff on Spinors http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/groups/spinor/index.htm
on Quaternions http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/realNormedAlgebra/quaternions/index.htm
and on Clifford Maths -- a must read http://www.euclideanspace.com/maths/algebra/clifford/index.htm

While I am doing references Tony Smith has a truly excellent collection of material and theories that are well worth the time to look over http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/TShome.html
just download his book and go over it offline.

Myron Evans and thae AIAS -- very familar. There are many errors in Myrons 'papers' that he refuses to discuss with anyone. He does not add anything to the area that others have not already done and done better. The "Mexican Device" Evans talks about is the one I went to Mexico to see... it is my opinion that it's basd on the same principals as the TPU, although it's a lot more advanced.

See the Roger Penrose Twistor Theory here http://universe-review.ca/R15-19-twistor.htm

cheers

Mark.


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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2007, 08:21:00 AM »
mm sorry Dr Snoswel i posted a photo of my small torroid months ago on a bi stable coil with a ring inside and manix shows up with an image with a cit=rcut  mmmm don't do 3 off theses , drop a ball bearing ing the middel at the right freq and it might dissapeiear,,,,

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« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2007, 02:17:05 PM »
AH -- what the heck... Here are two configurations that I came up with a while ago to create spin resonators.

To be clear -- these are concepts that I came up with completly independantly from any "detective" or replication work. I devised these entierly based on my work on quaternion spinors.

I dont know if this would work -- they are just concepts. However I put them up here as they seem to have a great deal in common with things being discussed. However -- look **caerfully at the winding directions. There are aspects to these that differ significantly from what people are discussing and from what classical experience would suggest **note the counter wound arangements.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2007, 11:55:25 PM »
By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Bob,

Could you elaborate a bit more on that setup?  Was the additional power drawn from the DC bias supply, or did more power appear from nowhere?  Could I get a crude schematic of the experiment? :)

Thanks!

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« Reply #65 on: July 22, 2007, 12:43:08 PM »
I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.




Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.

I can feel the frustration in this thread ? I don?t want to add to that but at the same time I think a step back may be needed. There are assumptions being made that are unfounded and some things are being overlooked.

First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

2.   Why the very strange earth point? ? as described the whole drive system will float high on a pulse? and it?s a floating potential dependant on the impedance of the coils and the pulse current. They make a particular point of the earth arrangement in the patent. This sort of detail would normally not be worth of comment in a simple system like this.

3.   The pulse sequence is complicated ? in a quick reading of this thread I don?t recall seeing anyone get it right -- apologies if I am wrong. Given the data in the patent there is a sequence of pulses applied to a first coil. These pulses alternate between two values which are at least 50V apart? eg, 200, 200, 300, 300, 300, 200, 200, 200 etc.   with the number of repeats at one level being random from 1 ? 3 (preferentially). This sequence is followed at a very short time interval by the same sequence x 2.5 amplitude on a second winding. So in our example above the second winding would be pulsed with 500, 500, 700, 700, 700, 300, 300  However the effect will work without regular period and with any amplitude ratio as long as the second set is larger and higher than 50V above the first set. Why? ... could this be due to the equivelant frequency increace of electrons with voltage (energy = frequency) or due to an expanding collective wave or due to a non-linear pumping of the second wave in the wake of the first?

4.   The use of two windings allows for very short delay intervals between the pulse trains ? a delay that is less than the pulse duration. This implies that it is the pulse front that is the effective factor here. Furthermore they say that wider spacing of coils ? or more interleaved coils allows for a wider time between the first and second set of pulses. This implies a wave front that is traveling in one direction. ? They do state that a single coil can be used but they imply that the delay between the two pulse streams is too short for this to be practical. Although they also state that an effect can be seen with a single coil and a single pulse train -- but they never once state that you dont need pulses of at least 50V difference in the pulse train.

5.   They give no hint as to why random amplitudes, phase delayed pulse streams or the two level pulse stream is required. Therefore we can?t make any assumptions -- It could either be essential for the function of the effect or it could be to prevent runaway oscillations destroying their devices and equipment.

6.   They state that the device generates magnetic field that is thousands of times greater than the permanent magnet. They give no details of how they measured this. We cannot assume it is a magnetic field they are measuring ? although they clearly measure something that behaves like a magnetic field. Even a microsecond pulse of a 2000 T magnetic field will literally explode both the magnet and the surrounding coil.  ? a simple example? try hold two neodymium magnets side by side such that their north and south poles face the same way ? the repulsion is great. The magnet experiences these self repulsion forces internally which contributes to the fragility of high field magnets.  Likewise ? a pulse of 2000 T field will induce a current spike and a physical force that will explode any surrounding coil? so either they start out with milli Tesla field strengths or they may not be dealing with a magnetic field but something else/new that has some characteristics of a magnetic field.

Whatever the peculiarities of their devices testing is well within the reach of everyone. The description of their motor embodiment only uses 1MHz pulse repetition with 100ns pulse widths. This is quite slow and well within the reach of modest solid state designs.

I am still studying the motor aspects of the patent and may come back with more comments later.

Cheers

Mark.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #66 on: July 22, 2007, 04:52:09 PM »
Regarding the magnet material - I believe they are implying that the material is arbitrary and that any permanent magnet material will work.  They go on to state that an elecromagnet or universal magnetic field (such as planetary or solar field) will also work.

This appears similar to an effect that Cyril Smith (physicist associated with MPI (Gunderson patent)) speaks of here:

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/Vacuum-energy.html

Sounds like  the pulses at one end of the magnet effect the pulses at the other end, before they leave the magnetic field, increasing their energy.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #67 on: July 25, 2007, 12:01:01 AM »
Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #68 on: July 25, 2007, 12:11:42 AM »
Hmmm...so what role would a permenant magnet or two play in Steven's TPU?  They are a key element and I can't understand what function they serve.  Magnetic flux is a new term to me, perhaps I should study those MIT videos.

Permanent magnets are not required to a working TPU, Steven Mark said so.

Electromagnets maybe, but EXPLICITLY, permanent magnets are not needed.


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Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #69 on: July 25, 2007, 12:59:58 AM »
I just posted this reply over here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.msg41197.html#msg41197


The Energia ("Italian") patent appears to be based on the same phenomena as I am discussing here -- I think... and so I am copy the post here so people folowing me dont have to hunting for posts.

Hmm? The Energia patent is interesting. There are some features that appear common to a number of other devices.
[snip]
First here are some questions that the patent raises:

1.   The effect works with or without a permanent magnet ? but the only reference to magnet type talks about an iron cobalt alloy. That is most unusual as it?s not a common alloy for modern commercial magnets. The patent is recent and yet is goes out of it?s way to mention iron cobalt and makes no mention of the most common types -- ceramic or Neodymium based magnets. Why?

Hi Mark, hi All,
when they mention iron cobalt they really mean what is usually called somarium cobalt.

From http://www.allmagnetics.com/smco.htm

Permanent Samarium Cobalt magnets (SmCo) are composed of samarium, cobalt and iron.

Neodymium permanent magnets (Nd-Fe-B) are composed of neodymium, iron, boron and a few transition metals.

NEO and SC material are very similar, SC is more expensive and functions to higher temperature.
They are both rare earth super magnet material in contrast to ferrite.

The patent text is brillantly written to say everything without saying anything.  For example, it says wind turns arround a magnet, then it says but maybe not around the magnet, but next to it, or near to it.  There are multiple ways to interpret the text and this is exactly what the author intended.  The patent text is only a starting point, the rest is intuition and building then testing.  Don't ignore the motor stator part, which also has coils around magnets.

Regards, Earl
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« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2007, 07:58:56 AM »
In answer to a private question about one of the many alternate views on how things waor I was prompted to scribe the following...

I have seen lots of theories and talk about how things really work and how classical and quantum theories are wrong. Most of the proponents of these new theories are just looking at phenomenon and merely rearranging current concepts attempting to find a better fit. I got tired of this approach and decided to *really* start from scratch.... asking questions like what constitutes a universe? What constitutes a dimension? Can we have fractional dimensions?

 I am still on the journey and I have just arrived at 3+1 = 4 dimensions. What I have discovered so far is that all you need is a consistent 3 dimensional fabric (universe ? nodes and connections in a 3D plank length mesh) that has a tendency to uniformity and finite propagation speed ? with just this you appear to get everything. I discovered that awkward concepts like relativity became a simple (trivial in fact) consequence of a finite propagation speed. The real eye opener was the fundamental types of oscillation that become possible as you increase integer dimensions:

1(2) dimensions ? longitudinal oscillations.    Complex.
2(3) dimensions ? longitudinal + transverse oscillations.    not consistent ?
3(4) dimensions ? longitudinal + transverse + spin.    Quaternion.
4(5) dimensions - longitudinal + transverse + spin + hyper-spin.    not consistent?
...
7( 8 ) dimensions ? 7 oscillation types.    Octonion.

(Time) is a dimension in the above ? I find it usefull to think of time as finite propagation speed or even just as a consequence of a perfect integer dimension... I know that sounds out there ? I suspect that it?s one of those things that you just never completely get until you derive it for yourself. I don?t think expressing it in mathematical terms (even if I could) would help; you?d just have to learn the same concepts except with the added layer of formal mathematical abstraction... anyway... Including the ?time? dimension you get the dimensions in brackets above.

To be fair what I refer to as a ?tendency to uniformity? really has to be considered a dimension from the point of independent parameters that determine our universe. However it is really no different than stating there is a finite propagation speed ? these things reduce to the same thing and are what we call ?time?. If I am failing to make this clear that because it?s such a fundamental expansion to the intuitive concept of time -- a much richer understanding. Time = finite propagation = restoring force = tendency to uniformity = self consistent integer dimension universe. ... different words: same thing.

I also put the names of the maths for rotations in the above list ? complex numbers are two dimensional circular numbers. Quaternions are 4 dimensional circular numbers and Octionions are 8 dimensional circular numbers. By circular I mean that they are periodic == their major number axis runs in a circle (hypercircle etc) ? whereas the real number axis is linear (well actually it?s often better to think of it as circular but on an circle of infinite radius).

What is interesting is that only 2, 4 and 8  (possibly 16 dimensions but that?s arguable)  dimensional number systems work consistently in this manner. This is the same sort of thing as only the integer dimensions working in that they are internally consistent and support time. I mention this because it is possible that we live in an 8 dimensional universe and not a 4 ? there are a number of researches who believe this to be the case. I don?t yet have a clear opinion on that ? I am still grappling with the wonderful complexity that springs from 4 dimensional space and spin oscillations which can be described by quaternion maths...

Where I am at now is visualising how spinors interact ? I think of electric gradients as not just spin gradients but the separation of two opposite spinners. This leads to some startling conclusions that appear, when you get your head around them, to fit a lot of the unusual behaviour that Tesla and other since have struggled with... and I don?t just mean fit, I mean *explain*. I suspect there is a lifetime of results to flow from just this little area without ever needing to go to higher dimensions and more exotic theories. I have been astounded over the past two weeks just how many things have fitted together... ideas I have predicted that turn out to have multiple experimental validations.

These are exciting times indeed.

cheers

mark.

I'll post some graphics to make up for all these words next time ;)

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« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2007, 08:17:56 AM »
People are always talking about tetrahedrons and their unique properties...

...so here is a little eyecandy to make people think. Apart from being the platonic solid for 3 dimentions they have some interesting symetries when you add the 4th dimention in the manner shown here... Take a *very* close look at the symetries -- they are not what most people expect!

cheers

mark.

The title for the still is not correct it's not a borromean linkage -- dont miss the animation which is correctly labeled!

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« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2007, 07:10:45 PM »
Wilbert Smith had a nice way of explaining things.

http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci~1.htm

He devided the universe into 4 fabrics of 3 parameters each:

From Wilbert Smith - "The New Science"
Four fabrics of three parameters (dimensions) resulting in a total of 12 parameters

The Four Fabrics:
1. Space fabric
2. field fabric
3. control fabric
4. percipitation fabric

The 12 paramters arranged by their fabrics:

1. Space fabric parameters
  a. length
   b. area
   c. volume
2. Field fabric parameters
  a. Density (gradient) (scalar) (change) (Tempic (torsion or spin)  field)
   b. Divergence (stable condition) (vector and scalar)(Electric field)
   c. Curl (2 vectors and scalar)(deviation)(dynamic) (Magnetic field)
(complete quadrature freedom between space and field means that we work in a 6 dimensional continuum consisting of the space and field frabrics)
3. Control fabric parameters
   a. orientation (mag field orientation is random)
(only 7 parameters required to study a single particle ? the others are required to do something to the particle)
   b. decision (free will)
   c. Sequence (order or specific arrangement ? establishes symmetry)
4. Perception fabric parameters (subject to modification by Awareness)
   a. form (boundary of reality)
   b. Multiplicity (more than one form is established)
   c. Aggregation (assembly of bits into a Purposeful Structure)

Time is the gradient of spin.

The fields are only a subset of the parameters and inadequate to define the universe.

We are as much a part of our universe as it is a part of us.

EDIT:

Dave Lowrance has studied the work of Wilbert Smith and performed man experiments.

Dave's page on the Control Fabric with images: http://magnetism.otc.co.nz/ControlFabric.htm

Study will show that the Work of Dave and Wilbert Smith can be correlated to that of Walter Russell. 

Time flow rate - or rate of entropy - increases with density.  So, by increasing pressure, or torsion, we increase density and the rate of time flow or entropy.
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« Reply #73 on: July 27, 2007, 03:25:21 AM »
@Mark,

I would like to see a scope tied to that! Always 6 fields cancelling out while also amplifying the other six fields.

Probably has virtual control over position of nodes just by adjusting phase relationship between coils. Charge position control? I can't even picture the creation and movement of vortices. Infinite inductance? The reason 720 degrees must be understood in spinor rotation?

A circle isn't really 360 degrees - is it?

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« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2007, 04:49:53 AM »
It is only a matter of time until someone posts this link.
http://ridinspinors.ytmnd.com/

 

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