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Offline ronotte

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2007, 11:24:42 AM »
Hi Mark,

I do con firm that static +VDC bias is VERY important to extract power from our rings. Yesterday evening I did some easy tests on my ECD using, for the moment +12V bias on an additional ECD winding...leaving one coil end free....well there certainly is an output power increase!   (load connected to the Mobius ring collector) I wonder what will happen just applyng +200V or more as I don't know if this acceleration effect on electrons moving on collector is directly proportional..if I remember well it should be. So I invite all that are replicating ECD to try.

Another point I'd like to ask Mark is about the correct way to apply the DC potential. Actually I'm thinking that I could make use of part of the ECD output itself ....putting a separation diode and a capacitor I do obtain  more than thousand DC voltage.

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Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2007, 11:39:23 AM »
Hi Roberto,

if the +12V goes to one end of a coil, where does the -12V of the power supply connect?

Regards, Earl

Hi Mark,
I do con firm that static +VDC bias is VERY important to extract power from our rings. Yesterday evening I did some easy tests on my ECD using, for the moment +12V bias on an additional ECD winding...leaving one coil end free....well there certainly is an output power increase! [snip]
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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2007, 12:11:57 PM »
@Earl,

to ground as in that case  I was using the same PS.

I may give you a sketch if any doubt on configuration.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 12:16:46 PM »
Hello all,

maybe you dont know or know this already:

I saw a lot of times that a coil can be pulsed and used with both ends connected or just connect 1 end of a coil. This I saw with control coils and with collectors. Of course, the current from the power supply consumed for powering this coils is decreased but the effects are almost the same.

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2007, 03:33:39 PM »
In response to questions on where to apply DC bias and drive (control) coils.

DC bias will help on the collector coils -- or whatever the active output part of your device is.
When working with high frequencies it's pretty easy to inductively or capacitivly decouple the output coil (collector) from the load. You can then bias up your output (collector) coil to whatever the safe design limits are for your coupling. That will make perfect sense to anyone with practical electrical design experience -- if it doesn?t then learn some more -- sorry to be blunt, but it's not only safety isolation you need to consider but also the power dissipation in the couplers... so if it doesn?t make sense to you play safe and learn some more...

If there is someone listing with a good depth of practical EE experience with stuff like this please step in and make some specific recommendations and point people to learning references. I'd love to cover all of this but my time is limited -- I am sort of on leave this week but my free time is already running out.


As for drive (control) coils -- there are three separate coils. This is not where things combine and you don?t want to bias these up. You don?t want to drive a current through them either! ... you just need the potential wavefront (I think spin-front) down them -- so they can be open ended. The only practical reason for not leaving them open ended is that you want to bring them back down to ground before firing the next voltage spike through them. Ideally you put fast switches (mosfets or valves) on both ends -- you drive from one end with the other closed and then open the other end to bring the potential back down fast. ... but frankly this is probably overkill. It's better to design the drive coils with as little inductance and capacitance as possible and terminate them with the maximum resistance you can to bring the potential back down fast without any current reversal... but I suspect that the optimum pulse widths are going to be so far below what can be easily achieved that there will be a significant "normal" current flow that follows the initial voltage front -- and this would best be dealt with a matched impedance to the drive coil to minimize reflected current.

... sorry if I lost people there. If you did follow you are probably experienced enough to be smiling and thinking to yourself "just suck it and see"... at least it helps to know what to expect even if you have to do as much experimentation as a novice. We are looking for novel effects after all -- so it's new territory for everyone.

... hm, that was a bit tongue in cheek. Seriously though. If you didn't follow all of that then I really recommend that you find a local friend that you can work with. Old ham radio guys with lots of experience with valves and antennas -- or, (not to leave out the serious players ;),  a high power laser or accelerator physicist with lots of experience with fast pulse supplies. I also found that transmission power engineers are full of practical experience. Whoever ? just make sure they have lots of *practical* experience, not just book learning.

Woa! ?  that was and indulgent  long ramble ? too little sleep  and too much caffeine. Got to go attend to that long list of things I should really be doing if I?m not ?working?.

Mark.
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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2007, 03:58:11 PM »
Wow this i s really somthing, my coil right now is 3 collectors with three controls each wound 120 degrees or so around the collector itself.  The collector is very thick wire.  A total of 9 controls to pulse, if I can get SOMETHING with one control, I'll just connect them in series to add up the potential and hopefully something good comes out.  This has me VERY optimistic!

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2007, 04:47:50 PM »
Mark,

You have probably seen what is below, but..... :)

More and more, we keep seeing, at least I do LOL, devices where you have a complex mix of DC and AC in the SAME conductor, and somehow apparent OU effects appear. There is also a common thread linking in harmonics too.

I know this has been brought up long ago by z_p_e aka Darren on another forum, I just felt it was good to post because it is highly related to the things that Mark has been so eloquently putting forth.


http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/

Here is an excerpt:

"BACKGROUND OF INVENTION:
It is known that coppers' electron mass at rest is M=9.107 x 10? ??.  It has odd electrons and is paramagnetic which exhibits magnetic resonance.  The magnetic flow in copper brushing the atoms causes atomic vibration which, in turn, produces a ringing effect.  When superconductivity is in place, agitation of the atoms is prevented.  This allows voltage to flow freely because there is little or no atomic vibration; thus, reducing resistance.  Magnetic resonance is a phenomena exhibited by the magnetic spin system of certain atoms, whereby the spin system  absorbs energy at a a specific resonant frequency when subjected to an alternating magnetic field.  The key factor is that the resonant frequency aligns or stabilizes the atomic vibration much like superconductivity does allowing the atoms to remain in the same place.  Likewise, harmonic radio frequency produces the same desired effect.

PROBLEM:
The transmission of electricity using a medium at room temperature is hampered by thermal resistance caused by the mediums atoms oscillating at an unstable rate.

SOLUTION:
By arranging the atoms in synchronous alignment, the transmission of electricity can be accomplished at room temperature without thermal resistance.  Radio frequency oscillation aligns the atoms by using an external jacket that surrounds the medium which, in turn, magnetically aligns the atoms allowing the free transmission of electrons.  Theoretically, another way to align the atoms in a 60 Hertz signal is to ride the sine wave similar to the way noise travels.  The high-frequency signal piggybacks the sine wave and aligns the atomic structure by magnetic waves.

DEVICE:
This $350 working DC prototype utilizes high frequency, high voltage in a manner that feeds back on itself.  That is to say, this device uses small amounts of voltage to produce large amounts of energy.  The unit works off of 24 VDC that feeds an oscillator producing 2 kV.  This feeds across the capacitor and the neon gas bulb.  In tests using a 24 VDC battery to feed the oscillator, on one side of the capacitor (-500 VDC) was produced, and on the the other side (-430 VAC).

An oscilloscope showed 1.3 volt peak to peak wave feeding the DC side.  This by itself was not enough power to maintain the system for long periods of time.  However,  when the wave fed the positive input back into the device, the energy increased.

High voltage output, either positive or negative, is not normally fed into the positive circuit of a lesser voltage because of thermal degradation due to the resistance.  However, when the RF and the voltage are harmonically aligned there is no creation of heat.  This unique aspect allows the system to feed back on itself.  Tests prove that without the positive feed, the circuit depletes itself within a matter of minutes.  With our design, the same circuit will run for months without draining any noticeable power from the battery.

(Fig. 2)  shows a multi wave oscillation.  The first pulse wave consists of 5 oscillating waves at .5 volt positive to .8 volt negative with a 35 microsecond spread.  The wave length is approximately 1000 meters.  This wave propagates through the batteries allowing less drain from the load.  The second pulse wave duplicates the first. Note: At 500 MV to 800 MV there is not enough energy to produce a change at the moment of use.  However, with no load this would take hours to recharge the batteries.  This substantiates that the device is not recharging itself, but allowing a harmonic stability to provide less resistance from moment to moment.

(Fig. 3)  shows the negative battery wave to be 10 times oscillated signal at .10 volt peak to peak from zero reference at .6 volt positive to .4 volt negative with a 35 microsecond spread.  It is noted however, from Fig.2 to Fig. 3 there is a noticeable .03 volt peak to peak difference.

POTENTIAL:
In the power generation industry, this device should allow a greatly reduced resistance factor in the transmission of electrical energy.  It would substantially reduce the amount of "force" needed to transmit electrical potential from one source to another.  The amount of energy needed to complete a circuit is decreased because of the positive feed.  Other industries interested in this technology would include all manufacturers of electronic devices in telecommunications, computers, consumer products, etc., and of course the military complex!  (Presently, this device has been tested and proven in DC, and is theoretical in AC.)"


Ok, and here is a video of Mr. Walt Myers, a rare one, I spliced it together...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7002680083998323828



I just thought it was all interesting, I thought it was interesting last year, and I think it is more interesting now, considering some of what Mark has been saying. All knowledge is good knowledge right? ;p




Oh, and here is a good post by Dave(ctglabs) from another forum that relates to Myer's/SM's device....
"The more I think about it, the more I like this theory!

First of all, way back when on OU.com we all talked about magnetic induction, a logical first step I guess, until we looked closer when we got the coil configuration and realised that magnet coupling was at a minimum due to the orientation, then we saw some electrostatic coupling, which was another logical step in the absence of magnetics.

As you say, he say "excitation" of the collector. This doesnt have to mean the electrons, but the atoms too. Indeed the coils wound over it are like the coils wound over an iron rod, the best way to get overall coverage of all the atoms. So its in the worst place for induction, but the best place for effecting the "material itself".

Could the weight loss and the interial feeling be due to the diamagnetic effect? Any magnetic field will be repelled by the superconductor and always maintain the same distance as long as the strength of the field doesn't change. As the thing pulses this state on and off, it will want to try and maintain a certain distance from the earths magnetic field each time and will attempt to resist movement in any direction.

Also, if the material can be brought down from resistive to zero resistance, can further excitation bring it even lower, in to a true negative resistance state at which point IT WILL SUCK ENERGY IN FROM OUTSIDE, converging energy rather than scattering it, time reversal in action?!

Regards,
Dave."
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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #22 on: July 17, 2007, 06:22:46 PM »
Mark,

I know this has been brought up long ago, but since I am the one who did so, I will do so again, because it is highly related to the things that Mark has so eloquently putting forth.


http://www.kz1300.com/hfgc/

LOL. tao, perhaps tpu fever has affected your memory somewhat. Actually, I was the one that posted this publicly at gn0sis, and in fact I wrote up a rather long and involved theory based on the Myers device....remember?

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Oh, and here is a good post by Dave(ctglabs) from another forum that relates to Myer's/SM's device....
"The more I think about it, the more I like this theory! .....


Regards,
Dave."

This was actually Dave responding to my theory in my thread.

No offense intended, but duely afford some credit where credit is due my friend :) I have done so for you on more than one occassion.

Cheers,
Darren

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #23 on: July 17, 2007, 10:41:19 PM »
@Mark

It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. I have been trying to convey exactly this concept to one of the replicators that had it in his head that more primary current was the answer. When I told him that the primaries (control coils) could even be fed open-ended with potential, he seemed to think I was nuts! I had to explain to him that in order to do this, the power FET driving the open ended coils would have to be loaded in order to be able to dissipate the pulse potential as quickly as possible. This is the reason I just complete the DC path through the primaries, as it can be so much easier to do, as long as the drive pulses can be kept short enough to switch off before much primary current can begin to flow.

You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible. The only reason I limit to the 160 VDC region in that common unit is because it is the voltage requirement of the load that unit was designed to power. By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Have you tried spinor resonance modelling with the use of x, 2x, 4x phase controlled drive frequencies. I am curious about what it would predict?

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2007, 10:59:47 PM »
LOL. tao, perhaps tpu fever has affected your memory somewhat. Actually, I was the one that posted this publicly at gn0sis, and in fact I wrote up a rather long and involved theory based on the Myers device....remember?

This was actually Dave responding to my theory in my thread.
No offense intended, but duely afford some credit where credit is due my friend :) I have done so for you on more than one occassion.

Cheers,
Darren


HAHAHA, maybe it was you. Ok, it was Darren! But, still, it's viable, so I will just edit my post.

But, since your posts are GONE, HAHAH, it was hard to verify ;)... No hard feelings or offense, of course...

I did find the video and splice it up though, on gn0sis ;p

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« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2007, 11:09:50 PM »
@Mark

It was great to see you mention the open ended primaries. I have been trying to convey exactly this concept to one of the replicators that had it in his head that more primary current was the answer. When I told him that the primaries (control coils) could even be fed open-ended with potential, he seemed to think I was nuts! I had to explain to him that in order to do this, the power FET driving the open ended coils would have to be loaded in order to be able to dissipate the pulse potential as quickly as possible. This is the reason I just complete the DC path through the primaries, as it can be so much easier to do, as long as the drive pulses can be kept short enough to switch off before much primary current can begin to flow.

You are 100% correct in that the higher the DC bias potential, the greater the energy gain possible. The only reason I limit to the 160 VDC region in that common unit is because it is the voltage requirement of the load that unit was designed to power. By the way, I had that same replicator run a test by installing a DC blocking capacitor in series with a 120 volt load, raise the DC bias potential, and watch the output climb while no additional load was placed on the power supply. I think he finally may have learned something about the potential of DC potential ;-)

Have you tried spinor resonance modelling with the use of x, 2x, 4x phase controlled drive frequencies. I am curious about what it would predict?

Bob Boyce


Hi Bob, Mark,

Got a question for you gentlemen...

Based on your theories/ideas/devices and your talk of having a DC bias so as to encourage the energy gain, what do you make of the statements below given by Steven Mark? Do you think Steven's use of the word 'circuit potential' is akin to your 'DC bias potential' ?


Here are some quotes from Steven Mark:

"However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow."

"If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space."


I might add, and of course you surely already know, in the open TPU we can clearly see open ends on the red windings...

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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2007, 11:16:49 PM »
Wow, I'm so ready to build something, argh, no switching device yet, I'm still thinking of that.  But Mr.Mag GENEROUSLY let me have his oscilloscope for shipping charges, no a bad deal at all.  So once that arrives I'll start my experiementing.  My coils are all wound and ready to generate some power!  Heh.

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 12:37:48 AM »
@ Dr Snoswell:  I know this is a little off subject: I'm in need of some CAD help and seams that you are good at this. I have designed an engine that runs on hydroxy as what Bob boyce is working on his hydrogen unit. I have built a model and have the specs. on the part. I would like to publish the engine on here and give it to anyone that wants to build it and sell it as they see fit. It is rather simple and works well. I'll list all parts and where to get them so as there will be no hidden things to guess at -and improvements are appriciated. I feel this  and some assembleis are patenable but I'm not going through that again. If you could supply a Cad file that could be sent to a machine shop to make the part,  that would be great or if anyone else could help that would be appriciated too.  I'm sure after I post the assemblies and parts list there will be a lot of folks that will really like it and make a little profit for themselfs in the process. Thank you mike  ,,,  It is a one stroke engine more later -----:)

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 12:58:01 AM »
Hi All,

I would like to have a generic model for a TPU, so I drew up an image with 4 excitation coils.  Since the first Ford horseless carriage was the model T, this is what I call it.  The current in the collector coil is I.

I observe the following points:

a) talking about A sine wt or -A sin wt or cos 2wt, e.g. mixing frequencies and harmonics only makes sense when talking about analog excitation.

b) when using pulses, preferentially say between 1 ps to 500 ns, we can only talk about pulse width and repetition rate.  We can not talk about frequency, nor harmonics.

c) when talking about two pulse sequences, we can only talk about time offset, unless n coils fire immediately one after the next - then we could talk about phase.

d) the [copper] collector coil of m turns, here shown m=1, has a pulsating DC current.  The collector current pulsates less as the number of coils n tends towards infinity.  Most likely the high-voltage spikes will be caused by removal of voltage across a coil.  The removal causes a polarity reversal across the coil.  The short, low voltage electrostatic charge across the coil causes a reverse current flow in the collector coil.  This is the reason for the little spikes in the collector current.

As the number of excitation coils, n, approaches infinity the current becomes more uniform and flat.

e) the collector coil is shown short-circuited between A and B.  A magnetically-coupled coil in the same plane as the collector would only be able to extract the ripple and therefore most likely NOT an interesting way to tap output power.  Likewise with capacitive output coupling.

f) If the collector current sees a resistive load between A and B, a DC voltage I*R will be produced. This voltage will also have the above-mentioned hash superimposed upon it.

ms > When working with high frequencies it's pretty easy to inductively or capacitivly decouple the output coil (collector) from the load.

In the generic case, the collector mostly has DC current flowing in it and therefore inductive or capacitive ouput coupling is either not feasible or too inefficient.

The most efficient way appears to me to low-pass filter the collector output, then use a DC/DC or DC/AC convertor of conventional design.

g) Notice that all n coils, in this case n=4, all driven from floating, independent batteries.  No circuitry nor batteries are grounded, whatever ground means.  Ground, in any case, only exists for DC.  In AC circuits, ground becomes more and more undefined as frequency increases or pulse width decreases.

h) I would like the group to get away from sloppy use of words and terms, e.g. DC bias, which means nothing.  This is no different from amateur radio operators who lazily say "I am going to turn on my linear".  What they mean to say is linear amplifier.  DC bias can be voltage with no current, it can be voltage with current, it can be current.

May I suggest the following:

DC ELECTROSTATIC BIAS means
voltage biased with no current drawn

DC BIAS means the voltage across the windings's resistance causes a current to flow.

DC CURRENT BIAS means we are not concerned about the winding voltage, but mostly by the current, for example in a YIG-oscillator coil.

Let's define a standard terminology and rigorously stick to it.

i) I have shown coil terminals C and D.  Connecting a voltage between them will cause a current to flow depending upon the coil's resistance.

If using only one coil lead and letting the other hang in the air, one needs a second reference point for the power supply.  The generic TPU model T is perfectly balanced and symmetrical and has no ground anywhere.

Therefore a DC electrostatic bias is not possible.

j)  The TPU will only deliver excess power output if there is UPA (unknown power amplification).
This UPA is still elusive and its existance is in doubt.  The scientific method says a device does not exist unless it can be replicated by peers.  After the student jokes of Brnbrade and EMdevices, we must insist on rigorously holding to the scientific method.  Until there are one or more valid replications, the TPU remains a rumor, a fraud, a dream, a deception, you pick your term.
Our knowledge should now be at a point, where careful, non-sloppy building could produce the desired successful replication.

I am now at the point where I think coil winding is not good enough.  The coils must be precision "hand-crafted" for each turn, just like a Swiss watch maker.  Perfectly uniform, each an identical twin of the others.

Regards, Earl

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2007, 02:13:47 AM »
@Earl

Do you see a way to use a static bias from permanent magnets? Perhaps it would be called magnetostatic?
Since magnetic fields are a big player here could it be used to 'bias' the magnetic field and create an effect similar to what many think is needed?

 

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