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« Reply #45 on: July 19, 2007, 02:35:30 PM »
:) ... OK , I cant take all the credit for this one as it's exactly what SM described in one of his texts... but I am going to claim the title of Helical Wave Accelerator because of the way it works...

The last post depicted a pure LWA -- Longitudinal Wave Accelerator. It's easier to make a HWA -- Helical Wave Accelerator....

In the HWA the transmission line spirals -- it's quite peculiar actually as the capacitive elements are from the interwinding capacitance and the inductive elements from the same wire -- so both magnetic and electrostatic waves are intertwined in a helical manner with two modes of resonance with either component dominating toroidally or poloidally.

I have rendered it with open windings for clarity -- in practice it should be wound more tightly to increase the intertwind capacitance... however breakdown voltage has to be considered.

Everything I said for the LWA in the last post applies to the HWA.

Except... when tuning the HWA primaries there will (should) be two fundamental frequencies (determined by the toroidal & poloidal diameters and inter winding capacitance). The lower resonance will have a lower Q and will be the traditional LC self resonance with the magnetic field dominating toroidally and the electric field dominating poloidally. We don?t want to tune to this mode... there will be a higher frequency mode with a higher Q that corresponds to predominantly longitudinal wave transmission -- with the electric field dominating toroidally and the magnetic field dominating to poloidally.

Oh - and the 3 phase works really well here. The Q's for both transverse and longitudinal dominant modes will be 10-100x or more than you would get for single phase systems -- at least that?s based on my experience with single vs. 3 phase resonance modes in the same systems... this means that finding the right frequency will be very exacting and the intertwining voltage could be extremely high at resonance -- especially if feedback is applied. Oh -- and even winding will be essential to maintain a constant wave velocity around the ring and between the phases.

OH -- and the primaries can be closed loops driven single ended. It's even closer to the LWA then.


Ha -- howz that :) ... on a roll here.  oops -- better attach the render.

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« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2007, 09:02:11 PM »

As depicted the resonant waves circulating in the transmission line are symmetrical from their injection point. Some sort of directional bias would be required to trigger rotational acceleration of the signals in opposite directions == thus creating a vorex of electrical and magnetic fields around the central axis. Capacitive, magnetic, and mechanical directional bias controls are all possible, although it is anticipated that the vortexing action may be self starting (albeit slowly) in the presence of the Earth?s magnetic field alone. This would lead to opposite action in southern and northern hemispheres and to orientation (horizontal and vertical) sensitivity of operation.
Of interest is the performance when driven by sets of 3 different  duration pulse trains in the harmonic ratio?s of 1:2:4, 1:2:3, 1:2:5, 1:2:7, 1:3:7 etc. Pulse timing can also be adjusted to establish 3 phase rotation of the fundamental frequency around the transmission line.
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Hi Mark,

I've been following your posts in the background and must say you come up with some good theories. (well explained and therefore very easy to follow!).
When reading one of your latest postst (as quoted) I was surprised to see some things that match so well with what SM said. You speak about the self starting vortex creation, possibly by the earths magnetic field influence. I firmly believe a vortex is involved in the tpu because of all the hints SM has given in that direction. You might want to look up my posts in the thread [the tpu as a magnetic vortex generator].
Also the difference in the northern and southern hemisphere is a major point which no other theorie incorporates. SM calls it "works in reverse" below the equator.
I wonder if your theory also addresses the fact that when turned upside down the tpu stops working. I tend to think that has to do with the rotation direction of the vortex.
Then on the point of the harmonic relationships. I find especially interesting the 1:2:7 relationship you mention. Why?  Well, SM basically given us the base (1st harmonic) and 2nd harmonic relationship. Still we were searching for the third component.
What we do know is that in one of his messages (the one where he is "making a new amplifier (=tpu control electronics)") that he had trouble with a harmonic at 35 khz. It was very strong and he decide to leave it in there. Then he goes on and tells us about his "output transformer (= tpu)" can go up to 245 khz. You probably already see where I'm going...... this is the seventh harmonic of the base 35 khz!!!

I'm not really sure you have read all that info of SM and therefore put it into your theory or that your theorie has just hit on some striking similarities with what SM has said. Anyway I think you last theories must be very close.....

Regards,

Robert

p.s. The H.W.A. is exactly how I picture the tpu from SM's descriptions. As you might know there has been a lot of discussion going on about the exact meaning of the descriptions given by him. The general opinion was (and probably still is) 3 segments (primaries) of 120 degrees.

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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2007, 02:16:40 AM »
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I wonder if your theory also addresses the fact that when turned upside down the tpu stops working.

There is a point where you have to stop theorizing and just experiment. Left to the influence of the earths magnetic field (or even to the rotation of the earth) to start filed rotation you could postulate several mechanisms where it would not work side on or upside down. I have no definate answers -- all I can do is say that behaviour is possible.

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I find especially interesting the 1:2:7 relationship you mention. Why?  Well, SM basically given us the base (1st harmonic) and 2nd harmonic relationship. Still we were searching for the third component.

None of these configurations are what I would design to drive a spinor -- if that is indeed part of the mechanism here. However when exciting a system that is susceptable to resonance with pulses you can get away with almost any configuration... and so all I can do is fall back onto crude observations of some of the harmonic relationships I see in simple sipnors -- there are lots of higher order harmonics and I feel sure that the fermions wont have simple spinor solutions (they will be much more complex). So again, this is an area where experimentation is required. I would try all of the sets of frequencies listed (wont take long) and a few others. There is also some support for using more or less components. However more would be redundant and perhaps not worth while for the small gains in effeciency verses design complications. Less would dramatically increace the precision of timing and design requirments and would dramatically reduce the likeleyhood of getting a working effect in practice.

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I'm not really sure you have read all that info of SM
I have a vast library of material collected over the pst 10 years or so on a wide range of topics. I am not aware of anything I have missed in this area... but as I have said before, there is no rigerous evidence of any overunity device from anyone as yet. SM's information, like so many other sets of data, are questionable at best. This is why I will not atempt any "replications" unless I have determined a resonable theory as to why an effect may work so that I can design devices to test intelegentsy and compare experimental data against predicted behaviour.

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p.s. The H.W.A. is exactly how I picture the tpu from SM's descriptions. As you might know there has been a lot of discussion going on about the exact meaning of the descriptions given by him. The general opinion was (and probably still is) 3 segments (primaries) of 120 degrees.

I agree -- this matches one of SM descriptions exactly... but more than that it has the benifits I mention of having the capacitive coupling etween the 3 phase windings. For wave propagation this is a crucial factor and makes it an entierly different design from one with 3 non-overlapping primary segments. Forget how it may work for a moment --from an energy density viewpoint three seperate primaries that do not overlap radiate much of their field energy into the surounding space -- particularly the interior. With the three fully overlapping windings the energy is largely constrained to the toroidal volume. This is what you want if it is where you are trying tio initiate an energy cascade.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2007, 02:53:37 AM »
OK, I went ahead and tried a simple test (the one that was suggested near the beginning of this thread).

I know the theories have advanced significantly further now, but I figured I should share my (null) results anyway.

Attached are some pics of the apparatus.  The all-too-familiar Spartan-based programmable pulse generator, and the inner part of an RG8-U coax cable with about 1,800 turns of 30 guage magnet wire wound on top of it.

On the scope, the top trace is the input signal at one end of the winding and the bottom trace is the output at the other end.  Using a light bulb as a load, no voltage or current was developed across the collector.

I'll try building the latest version next (the HWA)...

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« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2007, 04:25:02 AM »
@Eldarion
Very neat winding.. and thanks for posting results -- all results, negative, positive, failures -- everything, with all details should be collected.

OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.

A practical consideration is the winding of precise coils around narrow formers -- you have done an amazing job. However I really think larger diameters are going to make it much easier to see effects in. I know the larger coax is expensive and harder to get -- and it may not be the best in the long run. Alternatives include:
Copper tubing as collector and winding directly over that.
Copper tubing or large diameter wire inside a flexible insulating tube (make sure the material has a low dielectric loss!  Possibilities are  nylon, teflon and silicon).
multistrand wire should also be tested as a collector.

It may also be desirable to keep the radial capacitance lower than the interwinding capacitance ? this would make coax a bad choice. ? more tests need to be done.

You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.

These basic tests are essential. Far from being boring they will yield a lot of practical experience and understanding that will be essential in construction of more complicated devices. I will be doing these myself as soon as I get time in the workshop.

Cheers
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2007, 06:09:10 AM »
I haven?t participated much lately as bread-winning is demanding most of my time recently. I continue to test theories, part by part, when possible.

The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

Most will already know the following better than I:

The magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.

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« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2007, 06:41:26 AM »
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

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« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2007, 10:44:59 AM »
Hi BEP,

The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side. This is why I said earlier that this device requires multiple disciplines. Electronic control, power, basic electrical, communications, theory and probably other practices are required. This is why I participate here. We have some excellent minds that cover all this and more!

It also requires learning Radiant Energy Engineering from the self-taught University.  Radiant Energy Engineering sometimes says things that are in opposition to traditional Energy Engineering.

Most will already know the following better than I:

I will take the liberty to insert some words:

The traditional magnetic circuit in the loop must be allowed to continue around the loop, even where power may be tapped. The traditional magnetic flow will be enhanced when it is constructed in a way fields aid each other. The amount of traditional energy that can be seen in a coil is strongly a result of how much inductance is there and how much magnetic field is being manipulated by that inductance. Air cores are the weakest possible examples of this unless you are running speeds or frequencies that cause the inductive reactance to be an asset to the process.

In Radiant Energy Engineering, we are trying to achieve a pulse width of 1 picosecond.  We are not able to reach this, so we do the best we can.  I believe that 100 nanoseconds is realistic.  Therefore air-cored coils are perfectly OK for RE generation.

For a single, unclosed (magnetically) coil to show anything but mundane results you may need to pass a bit of DC current through it before hitting it with a single pulse. At least enough to bring the most negative portion of the result above zero. Another way to see more result is to take the same coil and wrap it into a smaller diameter of a few or more turns into a cylinder. This would allow the magnetic circuit to be more complete while still allowing the same electrical connections. You may also see more interesting and applicable results by inserting a static magnetic field inside this cylinder instead of a DC current on the center conductor.

The Italian patent wraps a coil around a magnet or electromagnet, but also says the magnet is not obligatory.

I would be interested to see the inductive forces being generated by such a well wound coil. To do that I would wrap a few turns of tightly wound solid hookup wire around an end that is not covered by the other winding and use that as the scope pickup.

Italian patent says high-voltage pulses are necessary, and minimum 50V amplitude difference between each pulse.

At this early stage I am monitoring the magnetism rather than the electrical. I believe SM did the same as the photos clearly show the packaging and the magnetometers or gauss meters on the table with the scope and on the bottom of the open flat TPU. This would have been an excellent way to check for the flux distortion that I would expect.

With the technology we have today you can build a very simple and fairly accurate ?field probe? by using a linear Hall Effect Sensor. It is possible to position 3 units orthogonally and link them in series to make a ?3-axis? DC magnetic field sensor. They generally have amplifiers built-in already and only cost a couple of bucks each.

As far as what switching mechanism to use I generally avoid solid state for high-level signals unless I am not concerned with the noise generated. Too much internal feedback is required to make a state-change. Valves or Vacuum tubes would be an excellent choice as a final stage. I would like to mount them and any other final stage components in the TPU to maintain shortest possible connections for lowest resistance and inductance.

I believe RE is a non-linear effect and doesn't matter whether FETs or tubes are used.  The only advantage of a tube is a higher voltage breakdown.

At this point I am having fairly good results with magnetic switches (not reed switches) and GMR devices (homebrew). I have found it is possible to completely stop DC current flow with an inductor. When done right it is incredibly fast.

Would be interested in knowing more about this.

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« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2007, 11:04:22 AM »
Hi Eldarion,

A MOSFET has roughly 1000 to 2000 pF input capacity.  You will not get the desired rise
and fall time without being able to source and sink several amperes into the gate.

The FET driver must be soldered directly to the FET itself; use no wires.  You are not
in a beauty contest, you are in a speed contest.

The amperes of gate drive comes only from the multiple SMD capacitors soldered directly
to the FET driver IC; again use no wires.  Trying to obtain the amperes from anywhere else
will lead to failure.

All wires in the excitation coils and collector must be litz type.  Use a minimum of 400 paralleled,
insulated wires.  The difference between a one-conductor wire and a 400-conductor wire can
easily mean the difference between success and failure.  You will have to build or buy a
soldering pot to be able to successfully solder such fine multiple wires.

Regards, Earl
@Eldarion
Very neat winding..
Thanks! ;D
OK -- I wound not expect you to see a positive results with the coil the way you have wound it. I think the interwinding distance should be around the same distance as the radial distance to the collector.
Ahh...I think I might understand.  The electric and magnetic field is "shorted out" to the next turn in the coil, and cannot even touch the central collector wire except at a highly diminished intensity?
You may need to use higher voltage pulses to see results in early tests with non-resonant and lossy systems. I would really encourage people to use a valve output stage in initial tests ? I will call a friend of mine who is a valve expert to design a simple, single valve drive stage. If there is anyone out there with simillar experience (BEP?) please step in with a valve output design everyone can use.
I was afraid of that.  I will try tacking a high-speed MOSFET onto the pulse generator for high-voltage operation, but I am concerned that the pulse width may rise unacceptably.  Maybe tubes are the best way to go, but I have zero experience with tube based systems. :-[

Thanks for your comments; I appreciate them!

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2007, 02:20:06 PM »
... The one thing that continues to stick out that I am sure must be considered on a working device is the magnetic circuit. We must all consider that the magnetic circuit must be considered equal, and possibly, more important than the electronic side.

I am not so sure. If the goal is very fast voltage pulses -- short enough such that current has not started to flow we are looking for voltage (longitudinal) waves where the transmission around the torroidal circumference via interwind capacitance dominates. This is a reversal to the normal transverse EM wave propagation. Which is what led me to propose the LWA configuration -- in which the pulse width should match the tuned circuit which is the two capacitances connected by a vertical inductive element and the pulse repetition should be in time with the signal propagation around the circumference of the device... thus (now that I have just thought of it) we have predictions for both the fundamental frequency and the pulse width.

If the transmition of longitudinal waves is an advanced wave phenomenon (as others have shown) then this will lead current flow in the central collector - pushing instead a longitudinal wave down the collector with a virtual current flow radial to the conductor == the exact reverse of normal transverse EM wave propagation we are used to.

cheers

Mark.
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« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2007, 07:14:48 PM »
The magnetic field is the conductor. (relating to field forming)

The position of the pulses - or better yet the positional relathionship between the pulses should also be determined based upon the positional relationship between the 'collectors'. The energy passage from one collector to another would be primarily capacitive in the direction of the intended wave. This is still using magnetic fields. If we want water to flow down the drain we must first create a drain and then lead it in the correct direction.
A single loop has nowhere to go unless coiled upon itself or working with another coil.

@Earl

Thanks for inserting those words. I always forget when most think in terms of waves they only think of transverse. When I use the terms it is considering transverse and longitudinal.

As for the GMR. The basic concept is sandwich a conductive layer in two ferrous or ferric layers. Pass parallel or anti-parallel currents through the fe layers to control resistance in the conductive layer. Thanks to Brnbrade I tried the same but using paramagnetic layers sandwiching a copper conductor, in this case a coil and using magnetic 'current' vs. electric current. The best determination I can achieve with old but fairly accurate equipment is that I can stop electric current through the conducting coil or produce a forward curve very similar to a tunnel diode. In effect a magnetic rectifier unlike Tesla. I had a definite arc-over due to weak insulation. I'm rebuilding this weekend to try to reproduce the effect.
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« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2007, 08:51:34 PM »
@Eldarion,
Sweep thru frequencies to see the bands of resonance appearing. Exacerbate the ringing. You should see the ring window widening and shrinking. Really not written about but that is where the true experimentation is played out.

And one can only do this when one builds & experiments. No theory, just smack the copper as fast as you can and get out of the way as fast as you can. To quote quasimoto 'I ring the bell for my master'.

--giantkiller. Bands of resonance? It's a start.

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Re: Spinor resonance -- explanation for TPU like devices
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2007, 09:17:21 PM »
Is a magnetic field two opposite spin waves forming a standing wave?

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« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2007, 10:34:18 PM »
I saw the movie 'A sound of thunder'. The key point that was mentioned was 'We spin the particle accellerator faster to create a vortex'.

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« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2007, 01:27:53 AM »
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Spin and magnetic fileds... let me give an answer to this because it is both simple and profound ...

The electric and magnetic aspects of a spinor ralate to:
electric == it's spin handedness and orientation.
magnetic == the flow of space within the spinor.

Within a spinor there is a closed surface (I show it as a spher but it could be any closed surface) over which space fows continuously. The remarkable thing is that you can do this in 3D space without ever teating or tnagling the connections to the surounding (or interior) space which is stationary.

If you took the line on that surface which represented the average flow you would have a magnetic field line. As it circumscribes a closed surface it will always form a closed loop.

The electric field can be thought of as an axis that passes through the field loop. It is more complicated than that because the flow of space in and around this region is "complicated" compared to the continuously flowing surface that represents the magnetic component. The elcetric component has a direction and a frequency.

I have just begun to create additions of spinors -- however a collection of charge behaves as one giant spinor -- that what charge is. There is a magnetic filed component associated with it -- a closed surface over which space flows continuously.
This leads to some very interesting outcomes/questions when you look at non simple topologies like a torroid -- you cant stretch a single spinor into a toroid without introducing a single node. However you can fit multiple spinors into a toroid -- this fits *exactly* with the behavious of electrons and flux in a superconductor.

I had an inpiration this morning and whope to do some animations to show what a longitudinal wave would look like traveling around a toroid... this also appears to explain what may be happening in the central collector.

got to go now...

later

Mark.
 

 

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