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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: shruggedatlas on July 14, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
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Here is a website claiming to show exactly how Steorn's Orbo is meant to function. There is an interesting bit there about magnets, the point being that even if you were to make a device that could spin for a while, the "permanent" magnets involved would degauss after a while, and it would take a great deal of energy to remagnetize them, resulting in no net gain.
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Oops, here is the link: :)
http://depletedcranium.com/?p=54 (http://depletedcranium.com/?p=54)
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I still believe there is a way to organize the stator magnets to bring external field flux into the rotor (providing a push). Environment becomes important to maintaining rotation.
Maybe something like deedee's:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2704.30.html
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nothing new in this exposition, in fact the magnet in the stator are not even exposed, its supposed to be a halback array not just a simple magnet
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Please, look at this video for an example of one directional force - because of the organization of the form external energy can only result motion in one direction. The same can happen with the magnetic fields - a constant sea of magnetic flux can contribute to motion in one direction.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcQMoZr_x7Q
I doubt the magnetic fields would degauss because the fields could not be that intense or the background environment would have no effect on the device.
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::)I could not believe that if steorm has mounths and a mounths to test the device, the degauss problem appeared the day before the shown!!!!!! If you test the divice for severals months, you must detect this problem, and temperature problems. I believe thet the problem happend in the device made on purpose to the show, no in laboratory proptotipes, thar they must be diferent that the device use at the shown.
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Degauss was not the problem.
That is not a sudden thing.
~Dingus Mungus
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Don't you all get it.
1: Steorn never had any OU device.
2: They faked the scientist group, never releasing any list of people.
3: Their purpose of this OU faking is still not known.
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Don't you all get it.
1: Steorn never had any OU device.
2: They faked the scientist group, never releasing any list of people.
3: Their purpose of this OU faking is still not known.
You are right about number 1 and probably number 2. However the question remains whether they ever made a bona fide effort to create the device, or whether this was a scam from the very start. We just don't know at this point.
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Don't you all get it.
1: Steorn never had any OU device.
2: They faked the scientist group, never releasing any list of people.
3: Their purpose of this OU faking is still not known.
You are right about number 1 and probably number 2. However the question remains whether they ever made a bona fide effort to create the device, or whether this was a scam from the very start. We just don't know at this point.
This is also my most frightening worry...
Simply put: This is the most well funded and public attempt.
I just worry the funding and attempt may be fake.
Meaning their whole goal would be to make the rest of us look like sacm artists.
I really hope and pray this is not the case here!
~Dingus Mungus
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Hello people, I've been lurking on the OU forums for some time with a growing interest on any kind of OU devices. :)
Now, to be a bit on topic...
I just worry the funding and attempt may be fake.
Meaning their whole goal would be to make the rest of us look like sacm artists.
I really hope and pray this is not the case here!
I really hope so too, because they are making more noise than one would want from a scammer. Here's an interview with Engadget, published yesterday: http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/17/the-engadget-interview-sean-mccarthy-ceo-of-steorn/ (http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/17/the-engadget-interview-sean-mccarthy-ceo-of-steorn/)
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Wow the guy who wrote that exposed article in the first post needs to get his facts straight :P Magnets don't just demagnetise from lightly reacting with each other lol, and interacting neo magnets don't demagnetise very easily if atall.
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;D
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Not only this, but it should be noted that in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics, a push from magnet to magnet should be the same as a pull from magnet to magnet. So a south to south configuration should give the same energy as a south to north configuration. This turns out not to be the case as demonstrated with adams motors, where the push seems to cause greater efficiency. My point is, that even if degausing were to occur with a south to south configuration, or a north to north, this could be overcome buy operating off of a pull instead.
Not totally true... In repel mode magnets tend to show some anomalous effects. I assume the reason for this observation is that there is only one POLR in attract, but that is inversely true for repeling magnets. Meaning repeling magnets only have one angle to avoid and the rest are all useful, where as in attract there is only one angle that delivers maximum force.
~Dingus Mungus
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Not only this, but it should be noted that in accordance with the second law of thermodynamics, a push from magnet to magnet should be the same as a pull from magnet to magnet. So a south to south configuration should give the same energy as a south to north configuration. This turns out not to be the case as demonstrated with adams motors, where the push seems to cause greater efficiency. My point is, that even if degausing were to occur with a south to south configuration, or a north to north, this could be overcome buy operating off of a pull instead.
Not totally true... In repel mode magnets tend to show some anomalous effects. I assume the reason for this observation is that there is only one POLR in attract, but that is inversely true for repeling magnets. Meaning repeling magnets only have one angle to avoid and the rest are all useful, where as in attract there is only one angle that delivers maximum force.
~Dingus Mungus
Oh holy crap :o You Folks need to read some book about magnetism :D
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Oh holy crap :o You Folks need to read some book about magnetism :D
Hello Nostradam,
If you have already read some good books about magnetism, please enlighten us on this topic, will you? Not on magnetism in general of course but focusing on repel and attract mode Dingus Mungus and armagdn03 were pondering.
Thanks
Gyula
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;D
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I try to read as much as possible, but I've found experimenting tells me a lot more when it comes to the esoteric details of magnets. I would read anything you could send though. As a matter a fact I just read an article on using magnetic fields to produce color change in Fe+ compounds. They're hoping it'll be the next generation in visual media. No need for a back light or tube! You can probably google it.
I would try to better explain what I was trying to say in my last post, but I don't think it'll make any more sence than the first attempt.
~Dingus Mungus
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Hey folks, the point is that the whole circus was not real.
I can only warn you that the more hype there is about any product, the less likely it is that there is any substance behind it.
If it really had worked (and the few bits I saw from Steorn looked totally bogus) they wouldn't need to suck so hard. (the inverse product/promo law)
Close the book and go look at some of the much more promising threads here!
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this looks very much like the perendev motor, similar concept at least.