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Author Topic: How this was done in 1821.....  (Read 39918 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2007, 01:04:26 AM »
you guys are missing an important fact here. the ball does not require a drop to Point A - this drop is set there for a convienence. once the ball leaves the magnetic field there is kenetic energy imparted on the ball its travel UP the ramp. Someone needs to give this set-up a secondary ramp BACK DOWN, at a slightly lesser grade, so that the ramp ends at point B, where the ball started. NOT below it.

The input energy = the energy needed to lift the ball through the gravitational field to point B MINUS the energy imparted on the ball at slightly before point B when it starts to PULL the bal INTO the ramp!!!
The output energy = the Kenetic energy of the moving ball PLUS the potential energy gained by the incline.

An accurate measurement of this devices Intput vs Output will be the energy rremaining to transport the ball from point C BACK DOWN a secondary (nonmagnetic) ramp around the point B. - If the ball does not have the energy to do that, then te device is obviously not OU. 

BUT dropping the ball all the way down to Point A makes arguing over this a mute point, for the simple fact that the energy to lift ball from point A UP to point B is MUCH more than the energy put into the system initially.

Take point A out of the equation and do NOT let the ball drop BELOW point B. This is the only way you will get it to work, unles your smot ramp is approx 3 feet longer to compensate for the losses you incurr moving from A to B.
This is an incorrect analysis because instead of reading what I wrote you're trying to fantasize groundlessly. Restrain from posting such gibberish. The correct analysis is already given above and the only thing you need to do is to read it carefully and to try to  understand it.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #90 on: September 22, 2007, 01:04:26 AM »

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #91 on: September 22, 2007, 03:32:03 AM »
(+mgh1 +Mb) - (+mgh1 ?(Ma ? Mb) - Mb) = +Ma + Mb = +Ma +mgh2 + [kinetic ...+]


i believe this is YOUR equation?  ou are missing something at the end, which is a subtraction of energy from Point A to Point B which the cycle must undergo to sustain itself - hence energy taken away from the ball from the time it reaches point A until it reaches point B and restarts the cycle.

the end of he equation should include ::

    - mgh(B - A)  where B and A are the heights of the point respectively. This ammount of energy is put INTO the system to start the next cycle, and is not ACCOUNTED FOR in your equation above.

HOW does the ball get FROM point A TO point B WITHOUT this additional energy subtracted from the system?

if you feel i am wrong about this, then please explain to to me where that energy is accounted for. 

that is a pure vertical climb from point A to point B, which i believe in your particular model is approx. 8.75" ????

the ball MUST make this climb in order to repeat the cycle, and the energy value for which is represented as

 - mgh(B - A), the ONLY way to change this so it fits your original equation is to place both points A and B at the same height.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2007, 04:30:25 AM »
(+mgh1 +Mb) - (+mgh1 ?(Ma ? Mb) - Mb) = +Ma + Mb = +Ma +mgh2 + [kinetic ...+]


i believe this is YOUR equation?  ou are missing something at the end, which is a subtraction of energy from Point A to Point B which the cycle must undergo to sustain itself - hence energy taken away from the ball from the time it reaches point A until it reaches point B and restarts the cycle.

the end of he equation should include ::

    - mgh(B - A)  where B and A are the heights of the point respectively. This ammount of energy is put INTO the system to start the next cycle, and is not ACCOUNTED FOR in your equation above.

HOW does the ball get FROM point A TO point B WITHOUT this additional energy subtracted from the system?

if you feel i am wrong about this, then please explain to to me where that energy is accounted for. 

that is a pure vertical climb from point A to point B, which i believe in your particular model is approx. 8.75" ????

the ball MUST make this climb in order to repeat the cycle, and the energy value for which is represented as

 - mgh(B - A), the ONLY way to change this so it fits your original equation is to place both points A and B at the same height.
Like I said, read carefully my analysis, try to understand it and stop writing stupidities such as the above. Enough of this.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #92 on: September 22, 2007, 04:30:25 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #93 on: September 22, 2007, 04:45:40 AM »
The only gibberish posted in this thread is from Omnibus.

You might have convinced Stefan that you are a physics professor, in my eyes and in the eyes of many others you have no idea of physics and you are a complete ill mannered, arrogant idiot.

Please note that I am writing this under my real name with a real photograph and a real website and e-mail address and don't shield under an idiotic name like Omnibus.

Hans von Lieven

Incidentally, SMOT is NOT a religion, so don't attack anyone who questions it as a heretic.

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN !

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2007, 05:11:14 AM »
Listen, you incompetent idiot. Not only that you don't understand Physics and therefore have no say in the matters at hand but you are arrogant and are continuously offending me not only by calling me names but mainly by ignoring my legitimate arguments. Stupid jerk, shut up or you will hear more of these characteristics which you most definitely deserve. Enough is enough. Someone must put a stop to the stupidities, ignoring of the scientific method and the offensive language the likes of you are practicing.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2007, 05:11:14 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #95 on: September 22, 2007, 05:15:57 AM »
You don' have legitimate arguments you nitwit! You are the most offensive person on this forum! Do you really want me to post a collection of your vile utterings here, because I will if you don't tone it down.

Just as a sample look at this:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1784;sa=showPosts

Do you want me to look for more??

I am not the only one who had enough of your venom.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2007, 05:38:22 AM »
Enough of this. You are incompetent and, as seen, the only thing you can do is re-post texts which are beside the point of discussion. You have no place here. You're impudent and don't get it but I will remind you if you continue with your nonsense.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2007, 05:38:22 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2007, 06:09:57 AM »
See what I mean??

Condemned by your own posts.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2007, 06:34:24 AM »
Hey, impudent incompetent, stop spamming the thread. As seen, you contribute nothing to the question under discussion and are only spewing crap.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2007, 06:34:24 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2007, 07:39:14 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,751.msg4447.html#msg4447

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"Imagine you have the ball somewhere beneath the device ? that is the ball?s initial position. You spend energy when lifting it from its initial position to the device input. The device lifts the ball up the ramp for which you spend no work. At the end of the ramp the ball falls under the action of its own weight to the initial position"

Firstly this statement fully re enforces smoky2's point...
Which you belittled him for.

Can you show us one REAL LIFE example of the closed loop you claim to have invented or does the phenomenon only exist in your fantasies and day dreams? What institution do you work for? I would be glad to PRIVATELY call and confirm your tenure. If I discover that you really are a physics professor with something I don't understand (and terrible communications skills), then I'll be glad to apologize, but in the mean time you sound and behave like a angry fascistic a-hole most of the time and have no credibility or evidence. Anyone else who comes to this forum with a claim has to provide real proof. Physical tangible evidence of some sort. YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS! You are not special and you will be treated just like the rest of us. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

Was Humbug really banned from the site due to a conflict with Omnibunk?

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2007, 09:01:05 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,751.msg4447.html#msg4447

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"Imagine you have the ball somewhere beneath the device ? that is the ball?s initial position. You spend energy when lifting it from its initial position to the device input. The device lifts the ball up the ramp for which you spend no work. At the end of the ramp the ball falls under the action of its own weight to the initial position"

Firstly this statement fully re enforces smoky2's point...
Which you belittled him for.

Can you show us one REAL LIFE example of the closed loop you claim to have invented or does the phenomenon only exist in your fantasies and day dreams? What institution do you work for? I would be glad to PRIVATELY call and confirm your tenure. If I discover that you really are a physics professor with something I don't understand (and terrible communications skills), then I'll be glad to apologize, but in the mean time you sound and behave like a angry fascistic a-hole most of the time and have no credibility or evidence. Anyone else who comes to this forum with a claim has to provide real proof. Physical tangible evidence of some sort. YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS! You are not special and you will be treated just like the rest of us. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

Was Humbug really banned from the site due to a conflict with Omnibunk?

~Dingus Mungus
There are several people in this thread, you included, who need to carefully study the basics, read what I've proved and try to understand it before posting arrogant nonsense. Do your homework before posting here.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2007, 09:01:05 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #101 on: September 22, 2007, 02:19:37 PM »
Please ALL,
please stay ontopic or post in a new thread.
I am going to delete all flamewar messages now...

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #102 on: September 22, 2007, 02:48:28 PM »
Good Stefan, it is not helpful

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #103 on: September 22, 2007, 04:31:47 PM »
(+mgh1 +Mb) - (+mgh1 ?(Ma ? Mb) - Mb) = +Ma + Mb = +Ma +mgh2 + [kinetic ...+]


i believe this is YOUR equation?  ou are missing something at the end, which is a subtraction of energy from Point A to Point B which the cycle must undergo to sustain itself - hence energy taken away from the ball from the time it reaches point A until it reaches point B and restarts the cycle.

the end of he equation should include ::

    - mgh(B - A)  where B and A are the heights of the point respectively. This ammount of energy is put INTO the system to start the next cycle, and is not ACCOUNTED FOR in your equation above.

HOW does the ball get FROM point A TO point B WITHOUT this additional energy subtracted from the system?

if you feel i am wrong about this, then please explain to to me where that energy is accounted for. 

that is a pure vertical climb from point A to point B, which i believe in your particular model is approx. 8.75" ????

the ball MUST make this climb in order to repeat the cycle, and the energy value for which is represented as

 - mgh(B - A), the ONLY way to change this so it fits your original equation is to place both points A and B at the same height.
Like I said, read carefully my analysis, try to understand it and stop writing stupidities such as the above. Enough of this.

i have read and RE-read your analysis, and cannot find where this ammount of energy is accounted for, Rather than projecting vulgar insulats at me for questioning your tactics,. perhaps you could EXPLAIN where this energy is accounted for?  your analysis DOES NOT account fo this energy, and UNLESS you are going to show us a video of your "looped system" you shall explain where this energy comes from. Failure to do so will hereby deem your SMOT system as NON-Working for the fact that this energy is NOT accounted for.

You can sit here and call me a stupid, or claim that i am "not seeing things the way you are", but until you can explain to me EXACTLY HOW I AM WRONG, nothing is being accomplished here.

So quit attempting to belittle the people on this msg board and put your ideas into coherent sentences. We have all tried to point out why this system does not work in the way you have portrayed it, If you are unable/unwilling to look at other peoples idea's, the least you could do is explain why they are not valid to your patricular systrem, instead of attacking their character, and posting rediculous rebuttles with no logical explainations to address theirs concerns.

Thank you, and have a great day.
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #104 on: September 23, 2007, 01:20:17 PM »
@smOky2,

You're insulting me by not reading carefully what I write and by ignoring the legitimate conclusions from my analysis, impudently pushing nonsense and non-scientific requirements.

Also, this isn't a thread discussing SMOT, therefore, you'd better stop discussing it here but refer to http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2733.30.html#msg40090 where you will convince yourself, upon proper understanding of what I wrote there, that the excess energy (free energy) comes out from nothing. And when I say "from nothing", I mean it. This is what the analysis shows. You should also stop insisting that in order to prove production of energy from nothing one needs to demonstrate a "looped system". This is unscientific, to say the least. Read carefully my analysis and stop polluting this thread with incompetent remarks.

 

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