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Author Topic: How this was done in 1821.....  (Read 39730 times)

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #45 on: July 17, 2007, 07:40:03 AM »
Type it as many times as you want - it doesn't make it true.

mgh1 is not equal to the input energy
mgh1 ? (Ma ? Mb) is not input energy either
you have not measured input energy


Your reasoning is the nonsense.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2007, 08:08:18 AM by bitRAKE »

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #46 on: July 17, 2007, 08:11:53 AM »
Both input and output energy are measured since to measure heights h1 and h2 as well as m is straightforward (g is a constant) and [kinetic + Â…] is always greater than zero.
Okay, so your equations don't include a magnetic field - I thought you were talking about a SMOT?

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2007, 08:23:00 AM »
@bitRAKE,

You don't understand this matter so you may withdraw from the discussion. Enough of your nonsense.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #47 on: July 17, 2007, 08:23:00 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2007, 08:53:05 AM »
The equations are your nonsense not mine. You force a bearing into a magnetic field right where you mant it and then you just assume the result you want. You claim to have preformed an experiment that you have not done. Your results are bogus nonsense.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2007, 08:58:07 AM »
You don't have a clue. Read carefully what I wrote and try to understand it. The statements about the magnetic field and the input energy you make are sheer crap. That's embarrassing.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2007, 08:58:07 AM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2007, 09:03:42 AM »
What leap of logic allows you to ignore the magnetic field when it suits you and measure from the middle of the experiment?

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2007, 12:06:37 PM »
I don't ignore the magnetic field. As I said, you just don't get it.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2007, 12:06:37 PM »
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2007, 04:27:34 PM »
There is no way you could be wrong? That is not science and there is no reason for that assumption except to perpetuate a farce.

I have attached a picture to help you understand. A person cannot place the bearing at B without working against the magnetic field in red. True, this force is pulling the bearing into the SMOT, but work has to be done to place the bearing at rest at position B. You ignore that fact.

Equating an apparatus with a magnet to one without a magnet is nonsense and certainly not science - it is more on par with magic tricks.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2007, 10:38:28 PM »
Not so. Ma > Mb, therefore, (Ma - Mb) > 0. The work to move the ball from A to B is -mgh1 + (Ma - Mb). Magnetic field helps in placing the ball at B. In magnetic field the work to place the ball at B when lifting it from A is less than the work in absence of magnetic field.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2007, 11:26:50 PM »
Not so. Ma > Mb, therefore, (Ma - Mb) > 0. The work to move the ball from A to B is -mgh1 + (Ma - Mb). Magnetic field helps in placing the ball at B. In magnetic field the work to place the ball at B when lifting it from A is less than the work in absence of magnetic field.
An invalid assumption which has not been tested.

The magnetic field density is not linear! It takes more energy to place the bearing at B than it does for it to return to A!

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2007, 11:35:14 PM »
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An invalid assumption which has not been tested.
This statement only indicates your lack of understanding what gravitational and magnetic potential energy is. Your arrogance is getting to be annoying.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2007, 12:05:32 AM by Omnibus »

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2007, 11:40:00 PM »
This statement only indicates your lack of understanding what gravitational and potential energy is. Your arrogance is getting to be annoying.
You continually keep shifting the discussion to things besides the magnetic field - because you ignore it.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2007, 12:04:50 AM »
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You continually keep shifting the discussion to things besides the magnetic field - because you ignore it.
Read again:

This statement only indicates your lack of understanding what gravitational and magnetic potential energy is. Your arrogance is getting to be annoying.

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #58 on: July 18, 2007, 12:06:52 AM »
Read again:

-mgh1 + (Ma - Mb)

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Re: How this was done in 1821.....
« Reply #59 on: July 18, 2007, 02:27:52 AM »
You haven't shown that - it's an assumption constructed to reach your conclusion.

 

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