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hartiberlin

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 04:00:12 AM »
Nice drawing and explanations EMdevices,
also many thanks to Tao for these great pics !

Maybe Tao can put also EMdevices?s pics also into his thread, then it would
very complete and also more understandable.

So it seems to have a good effect we need to wind the control coils with very
thin isolation distance directly onto the output collector coil, right ?

Also it then makes sense to have a fine stranded very big diameter output coil
for the lowest possible resistance and with many fine wires which don?t  have much skin effect.

Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2007, 04:04:33 AM »
I have been beginning to study a bit more the audio patent from Steven Mark
and as he is using white noise for his audio process.

Maybe we should also generate these massive kicks inside the control coils
via a noise generator ?

As the TPU coils are indeed LC circuits with their L and stray capacitance C,
they will just amplifiy the right frequencies from the noise generator.

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2007, 10:23:24 AM »
Hi Tao,

Thankyou for putting all this information together. It explains the principles beautifully.
I agree that this should work and I also believe it will work but...

I've been trying to do things with electric fields for a little while:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2607.msg37572.html#msg37572

In practice it's a lot harder to do than it appears. Differences in my approach were:

1. I've always used didoes to hold the electric field - so that could be wrong.
2. I've only ever had 3 coils in any one circle, that in total took up about 25% of the circumference of the coil. That is clearly different from having control coils touching or overlapping. I think this is very important as you highlight.
3. I was measuring the electric field as a function on how high a voltage I could hold with the diodes. The highest hold level from the BEMF I could achieve was about 600V. ( I realise holding the electric field is not what you are proposing). So using BEMF, although high voltage, is for too short a time compared with the charging time of the magnetic field.
4. I was also using speaker wire as the collector, which I think would shield the electric field ,now i think about it. duhhh!

I was concentrating more on building up the electric field in a coil and trying to transfer it to the next coil, so that the electric field voltage would get higher and higher from one coil to the next so that the voltage would be high enough for effects to happen. (Transferring didn't work).

I really think your proposal is the way forward but I think people need to be thinking in terms of very high voltage as in a few thousand volts, and not to get discouraged with this idea if there are no real results when using less that a 1000v.

I'm away on a contract for a while so won't be able to reply to any comments for a few days.

Cheers, Bob.


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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2007, 07:45:55 PM »
OK, here is Tao's finished document in PDF form, for easy printing, etc.

Once again, thanks Tao!  Excellent work in there.

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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2007, 09:49:27 PM »
OK, here is Tao's finished document in PDF form, for easy printing, etc.

Once again, thanks Tao!  Excellent work in there.

Thanks...

Appreciate the comments, truly...

Oh, and that PDF of yours, I noticed that on page 2 the images are all shrunk...


So, below I have attached a formated PDF I made of the entire TPU: End Game document...
« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 10:17:46 PM by tao »

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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2007, 10:26:53 PM »
Oh, and that PDF of yours, I noticed that on page 2 the images are all shrunk...

Why so they are...sorry about that!  :-[  Good ol' OpenOffice being "helpful", I suppose.

Did you ever find out what causes the physical vibration when the TPU is running?  I didn't see that anywhere.

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2007, 10:35:33 PM »
Hi Tao:

Great job! Good that you explain the "difficult" concepts in layman terms. Very readable concepts and knowledge base. I'm sure we have plenty more questions to follow soon.

So, the next logical question is, "Are you going to talk more about your TPU (this version). Is it self running? Power I/O for the power mongers and will there be any photos, videos etc.

Thanks again.

chrisC

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2007, 10:45:08 PM »
Oh, and that PDF of yours, I noticed that on page 2 the images are all shrunk...

Why so they are...sorry about that!  :-[  Good ol' OpenOffice being "helpful", I suppose.

Did you ever find out what causes the physical vibration when the TPU is running?  I didn't see that anywhere.

Yes, sorry...

That is caused by the successive KICKs that are occuring around the circumference of the TPU when it is operating. Remember the 'tapping the ball' example that I had in my writeup? Well, when a control coil makes a KICK, it is causing the electrons in that area to MOVE and do so in a quick fashion, so, this movement causes a magnetic (B) field to be created within that 'area' of the collector.

Now, when the TPU is operating, it will have a magnetic (B) field around the collector(s), and when these NEW KICKs are continually happening, this B field from the NEW KICKs interact with the B fields from the existing 'electron movements' that were already in the collector(s).

So there is a sort of interaction(attraction/repulsion of mag fields) that is happening as the KICKs are made around the entire TPU, in a circle fashion, and these are what can be felt with a human hand...

Not to mention, Steven said that he used three collectors that laid on top of each other, so, there would not only be interactions like the ones I described above when the NEW KICKs happen, but there would be interactions(attraction/repulsion of mag fields) between the different NEW KICKs happening around the three different collectors, and even the collectors themselves. Many interactions, which all lead to one thing, the physical vibrations!

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2007, 05:15:33 AM »
Hello Tao and All,

Tao, I absolutely LOVE your theory!!! I wanted to slap myself after seeing your graphic here:

(http://www.zpelabs.com/zpelabs/endgame/pre4.gif)

I had been thinking along similar lines as you months ago but I dropped the idea simply because I FORGOT about the E-field that is created in the coil before the magnetic field starts to build!! But what you are saying is 110% consistent with what I *almost* thought about! I definitely subscribe to your theory here and I thought I would dredge up one of my old posts in support of your thoughts.

The first (and most significant thing) is the association with particle accelerators. ChrisC was asking earlier how to figure out what frequencies to use to get the right train of pulses for acceleration. I posted the following regarding Kylstron Particle accelerators in the CTG labs forum back in December. Here is an excerpt of the relevant part below:

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I had been thinking about this possibility for weeks until Mr. Marks blatantly mentioned it in Mr. Mannix?s last post. I have been doing some research into the operation of particle accelerators to see just how they can accelerate electrons to high energy levels. What I?ve learned is that they all use electrostatic forces to move the particles! Of particular interest are the circular accelerators which use a device called a Klystron to accelerate the moving particles. An RF frequency oscillation is put into the tubes surrounding the particles and the electrostatic waves "bunch" the particles up in waves and propel them through the circle! I posted a diagram of a Klystron?. One thing you need to pay attention to is the direction of the RF input!! Bifilar!!! And the beam of particles (moving through it at 90 degrees) is shown on the diagram as a DC movement! Another striking parallel is the fact that the gap between the incoming and outgoing RF signals are critical to the operation (and amplification) of the waves inside the tube!! Sound familiar?

Don't take my word for it. Check it out for yourself! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klystron

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2730.0;attach=10582)

There is one correction that I want to make to this though. The second RF cavity of the Klystron is actually used to slow down the electrons once they have speed up. This has no use to us in a bifilar coil setup like I eluded to in my post. The opposing ring is used in applications where the Klystron is used as a high frequency modulator.

I also read from this document here: http://www.tpub.com/neets/book11/45b.htm which makes mention of feedback being used to keep the beam under control. Without it, the Klystron starts to act like an amplifier!

You can also see shades of Stevens ?cannon ball? effect here because the klystrons ?bunch? up the electron beam into packets as they are accelerated down the tube! The system can have more than two stages to accelerate the packets of electrons faster and faster before they reach the end of the tube.

Also, check out this passage from the second source:

?The beam is then accelerated by a very high positive dc potential that is applied in equal amplitude to both the accelerator grid and the buncher grids. The buncher grids are connected to a cavity resonator that superimposes an ac potential on the dc voltage.?


Now there is only one fundamental difference here between the TPU and the Klystron. The ?AC? potentials that we are superimposing upon the DC biased ?accelerator? are DC pulses rather that AC sinusoidal potentials! So one can immediately see how a TPU could work massively better here with high voltage DC spikes. All we need is a small bias on the collector coil to get the electrons moving a bit, and then we pummel it with high voltage, unidirectional, pulses from the control coils. As Tao stated, this is why it is critically important to NOT have lots of hash and ringing in the output pulses, anything that will cause the resulting e-field to reverse will work against the acceleration of the electrons in the collector coil.

One more note concerning the e-field on the control coils, we can calculate how much acceleration we would get from the electrons on the collector coil knowing how strong the resulting e-field produced by the control coil is, and the resistance of the collector wire. Lower resistance, means faster acceleration.

Multi-strand copper wire anyone?

God Bless,
Jason O