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chrisC

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Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« on: July 11, 2007, 05:44:52 PM »
Tao:

Great graphics and explanation. Keep them coming.
Much appreciate your unselfish acts!

Regards
chrisC

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 06:25:23 PM »
tao.

May I suggest that you submit your "TPU tech solution"chapters" in pdf format if possible?

It is very difficult (at least for me) to read the format you used, because the window does not accommodate the full width of your post. Much horizontal scrolling is necessary.

Perhaps Stefan could fix this, I'm not sure, but pdf would be great for all interested, I'm sure.

Thanks,
Darren

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 06:59:55 PM »
I have a widescreen monitor, so for those who don't, here is a PDF of Tao's excellent work so far.  I will check back every day and convert the new information if Tao doesn't mind.

Keep it up!  This is some of the best documentation I have seen in a while.

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 07:31:14 PM »
Nicely done, Tao. Thank you for layin' it all out there in the simplest of terms!

--Mark.

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 08:48:27 PM »
hey Tao, nice drawings but the control coils should be wrapped all the way around.
At least, that is what i was thinking...

M.

chrisC

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 09:16:42 PM »
Hi Tao;

Not trying to slow you down! When you have some spare time, can you say what/which 2D/3D modelling tool you use to generate the nice graphics?
Thanks

chrisC

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 09:24:12 PM »
@All

I would stop here for a second and try to flush things out. The lines which are showed inside the Inductor (aka control coil) are lines of the magnetic field formed by the current flowing through the inductor. There is no way that those are the lines of the electric field, since electric field of the current flowing through conductor is mainly focused within the volume of conductor with the direction along the length of the inductor (axial). Outside of the conductor, on the surface beside the axial there exists radial component as well, but they are both very weak and decay very fast in distance.
So can we clarify this issue, in order to move on in the right direction?

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 09:51:11 PM »
ChrisC: Bryce 3D, Photoshop.

I thank you all for you comments, I am doing the best I can.



In reference to Digilab, I got the main part of the electric field / inductor knowledge directly from EMDevices, I am sure he will chime in at some time here. At the moment I just want to get off of OU.com if you know what I mean, lol, all day just making image and typing lol.

But I will say this, even if what you say were true, it doesn't affect the operating procedure laid out in my end game post one bit, as there are OTHER WAYS to entice the electrons to move, ie. other ways to create the essential HV electric fields via the use of the control coils. So as it stands in my head, the entire procedure is sound.

Man, am I tired, I think I need a break, sorry for the short post digilab, I'll be back...




To all, thanks again for the comments, I appreciate the feedback, and just know, I have no ego involved in this...

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 09:57:57 PM »
Why am I all of a sudden on the hot seat ?    Ha  Ha    :D

Digilab, you are correct in what you are saying, but it needs clarifying.   

In STEADY STATE, or after the transitory currents have died down, the flux inside a solenoid is mostly MAGNETIC.

In the short time span leading up to STEADY STATE, the situation is different.

Also, in the sort time span after the current is interupted, again that is not the case.

I will include a picture that I posted at gnosis.com and that tao saw, just have a bit of patience.

EM

P.S.   Take for example the situation when the MAGNETIC FLUX collapses.   If the current is prevented from flowing (since the coil wire has been disconnected from the supply)  The flux will collapse RAPIDLY.  A voltage will be induced in each loop of the coil, and charges are moved by this voltage and bunch up on the surface giving rise to an ELECTROSTATIC potential.   So each loop in the coil adds to this potential, the longer the coil the higher the potential between the ends.  I should also add that this electrostatic potential is stronger on the OUTSIDE, as we all know that charges readjust on the surface to make it so, but in the short time that this things happen, electrodynamics rule (as compared to electrostatics)

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 10:20:33 PM »
Here's another way to create an  electric field using a two wire transmission line (like a lampcord.)  

I believe the larger TPU that SM demonstrates potentialy uses this, I can almost see it in some of the closeup photos.

Now with this setup, you just have to resonate the transmission line, and set up STANDING WAVES on it.   Keeping in mind where the MAXIMA and MINIMA occur along the line, one can engineer the right setup to drive charges ELECTROSTATICALY around the main coils of the TPU.  For example if 1/4 resonace is used with an OPEN END line, then the MAXIMA, or the place where the voltage will be highest, will occur at the end of the line.    All this theory falls under Transmission-Line theory, and most electrical engineers should be familiar with this. 

EM

P.S.  Perhaps I should explain the drawing   :)

The (+) and (-) you see are the two wire transmission line wound around the collector.  We are looking at a x-section through the conductor wound with this two wire line and are seeing the multiple loops along its length.

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 10:34:42 PM »
And another diagram.   

Notice that I show the E-field outside the coils as well.  I also show the E-field close to the wires (just in the upper Left corner so I dont' clutter up the picture)  You get the idea.

EM

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 10:41:40 PM »

@Emdevices

Thanks for the reply. I see where you are going and I like it. I like the explanation in the first P.S. which is completely valid, and I like the second drawing, it tells all, but I don?t know how much energy you can extract from electric field created like that. I have to chew on that a little bit and do some tests.
 
@Tao

Thanks for the reply as well. I hope you don?t mind my dropping in. My intention is to flush the things out with that what I know in order to be sure that we are stepping in the right direction.

I would like to take the liberty to speak on behalf of the people from this forum. That said I wish you success going through this endeavor and thank you for sharing it with us.

Godspeed.
DigiLab

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2007, 11:04:13 PM »
As far as the amount of energy we can draw from this, well that's all "up in the air"   :)

This was just a concept we developed back at gn0sis.com, and tao loved it so much, Lindsay endorsed it, and we all cried over it, we were so happy.    Ha Ha  :)

On a more serious note,  I want to mention that transmission lines have a very high Q, or quality of resonance.  SO THE VOLTAGE CAN GO VERY VERY HIGH AT THE RESONANT FREQUENCY.   

Here's one more picture I drew to illustrate the concept.

We now just use plates (capacitor formed between the main plate and our end plates) and when the coil fires, it creates a high voltage (depending on the capacitance and coil parameters)

HOWEVER,  we don't need to do this because.....  EACH COIL LOOP HAS SOME CAPACITANCE TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR, that's inside the coil (or it can be outside near by the coil, but it's more elegant and practical on the inside).  This capacitance is called Distributed Capacitance when one calculates transmission line parameters.  Anyway, a setup with just the coil achives the same result as this plate setup I illustrate.  It simply moves charges by ELECTROSTATIC repulsion.

EM

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 11:16:44 PM »
As far as the amount of energy we can draw from this, well that's all "up in the air"   :)

Yes, this truly is up in the air, but given the fact that we can ENGINEER and CREATE very high voltages, as opposed to lower voltages, MERELY BY CHANGING TIMINGS, this right there is an asymmetric process. Add to that the fact that once a HV field is in place, no matter how long, the electrons will MOVE THEMSELVES toward the positive region with a FORCE based on how high our high voltages are. Thirdly, the entire mock TPU setup has Anti-Lenz characteristics inherent in itself.

So, we basically have then three asymmetric process all attributing to POWER OUTPUT.

So, truthfully, it is up in the air, as Tupac would say, 'Only god knows'... lol

But seriously, everything FITS with SM's words, analogies, everything he basically said. So, by tomorrow night, I should have my thread complete and you all can see what I mean, even more so. Sorry it's taking so long, but I want to do it right.

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This was just a concept we developed back at gn0sis.com, and tao loved it so much, Lindsay endorsed it, and we all cried over it, we were so happy.    Ha Ha  :)

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BWAHAHA!!! Good one EM... ;)

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Re: Tao's TPU End Game - Thank You Thread
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 11:41:14 PM »
Here is Tao's latest in PDF form...