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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: hartiberlin on July 07, 2007, 01:44:11 AM
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Overunity.com admin challenges the Steorn company to post a video of the ORBO:
Dipl. Ing. Stefan Hartmann, of Berlin, Germany,
the admin of overunity.com , challenges Steorn to post a video
of their ORBO device.
Are the Steorn company owners not embarrassed, that they
did such an "amateurish job" at the failed Kinetica museum presentation ?
The forum community of more than 7500 users at the overunity.com forum thinks,
that this Steorn desaster is hurting the whole free energy research
community and thus we would like to have at least a video of the
ORBO , seeing it run, filmed with no cuts and editing and also showing the starting
up and stopping of the device, so one can see, that there is no scam involved.
Please comply to this wish.
Also your shareholders, who are said to have
put 8 Million Euros into the Orbo development in the last three years
would probably now finally want to see at least a video of a working unit.
Looking forward to your answer.
Regards, Dipl.Ing. Stefan Hartmann.
admin of overunity.com
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Painful Lesson from Steorn
I am glad that I left all marketing to some one better. Initially, I thought the Steorn Strategy was brilliant. One commands the attention of the World. One is seen to be in total control. The downside is now obvious. A failed demo for whatever reason will destroy all credibility.
The Chinese Marketing Team did the following:
(1) Quietly gathered information from all Cosmic Energy Developers in China.
(2) Help them to obtain patents if appropriate.
(3) Invite International Teams on Cosmic Energy Inventions to come and invest in them. May even act as Venture Capitalists in foreign countries.
(4) Get the theoreticians like Lee and Tseung to Beijing to explain the theory. Video the session and share.
(5) Get the academic teams to evaluate the theory and the prototypes.
(6) Make some Inventors with working prototypes vice presidents (e.g. Wang Shum Ho) and give them villas, cars, money and shares. This motivates others to come forward and share their secrets.
(7) The research team works on almost all known Over Unity Inventions. Multiple teams work on the more promising projects.
(8) Allow some leakage such as via the Tseung posts. Build the image that China is developing this to benefit the World.
(9) No public disclosure until the products are ready.
(10) There is no need to get funding from the private sector or the Venture Capital Community. A working device certified by the top professors and backed up by Government Officials easily obtained billion dollars of investment.
They did a much better job than I ever could.
Lawrence Tseung
Steorn's Failure Leads Out the brilliance of the Chinese Marketeers.
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ltseung888
So where is the publicity of the chinese OU machine to save the world?, where is the product?
All I see is China being one of the biggest countries in the world to contribute to the pollution of this planet.
I think Steorn has maybe had a victory over the chinese effort, because all I have seen over the last year is some great write up's regards the technology from yourself and respect to you for doing that. It is a well written story and bites at the heart of hope.
But that is all I have seen from that front.
Steorn name is known all over the world, whether for good or bad reviews, but they have marketed in all brilliance, even if it turns out to not be what they claim.
Sorry to say I only have your input regards the Chinese side of things and nothing else to back it up.
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(9) No public disclosure until the products are ready.
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When is that gonna be?, if they have a product that is true then when will it be shown to the world?
Regards
Sean.
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@ltseung888
Despite all the rhetoric about the brilliance of your partner's marketing (and technology), where is a OU device that is shown in the open world (and please spare us the answer of "not ready yet"). if it's not ready then don't need to talk as if international patents have been granted and the world community has accepted it as gospel?
I asked you about where is the patent and you pointed me to a patent application? I don't think a patent application is a patent granted?
So, in the end, no offense, you're partners and your invention is, shall I say like Steorn? I don't see a difference.
chrisC
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Discussion of the Steorn Failure at a top University in China.
The scene is a Postgraduate Student Lounge first introduced in the Steorn Forum under the thread ?Using the OU devices to benefit the World.? That thread was ?sunk? by the Steorn Website Administrators for whatever reason.
Pretty Girl A was the bossy one and started the discussion as usual. ?How would the Steorn Failure affect the Cosmic Energy or Over Unity Inventions? Specifically, how would it affect our Pulse Motor Project??
Handsome Boy A held the hand of Pretty Girl C. ?It actually helps us. Tseung mentioned that if we compared this with the history of flight at the end of the 19th Century, there were numerous failures. One funny documentary was ?The Magnificent Men and their Flying Machines. Many physicists at that time even believed heavier than air flight was impossible.?
Pretty Girl B giggled. ?Some Physicists now believe that the Law of Conservation of Energy spelled the doom of all Cosmic Energy or Over Unity Devices. Tseung came up with the scenario of ?boat in calm water and good sunshine?. The Lee-Tseung patent and theory information stated that energy can be Lead Out with Pulse Force via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux changes.?
Handsome Boy B: ?Steorn and many other Over Unity Developers used the strategy of ? I discovered something that violated the Law of Conservation of Energy (COE). Please come and have a look. This strategy undoubtedly attracted attention but many established scientists convinced in COE would not even give them a chance. They would condemn the invention without looking.?
Pretty Girl C leaned on the shoulders of Handsome Boy A. ?Tseung is taking a different strategy. He essentially tells the academics that the COE is wrong if the device Leads Out gravitational or electron motion energy. Gravitational and Electron Motion Energy surrounds and interacts with us all the time. Any physicist ignoring or doubting their presence is essentially a traitor to Classical Physics. If the Newton?s Universal Law of Gravity (all point masses attract each other) is correct, the Lee-Tseung Lead Out theory must be correct.?
Handsome Boy A clapped in support. ?The extension to electron motion energy is brilliant. In Tseung?s theory, electron motion energy includes magnetic, electric, and electromagnetic energy. Sunlight is a form of electromagnetic energy. Sunlight can be absorbed, reflected and interacts with us. Unless the electrons stop spinning and fall into the nuclei, there will be such energy.?
Handsome Boy B laughed. ?The brilliance of Tseung et al extends to the theory of the Flying Saucer. They argued that cutting the attracting magnetic force on a spinning magnetic ball would allow the ball to carry the device in the tangential direction. They called this the magneto propulsion unit. The youtube Nanjing video seemed to indicate that such a device is possible and may be made in China. USA may not be the only Country with such technology in their Area 51.?
Pretty Girl A concluded. ?It appears that Steorn is far behind in the theory and experimental development of Cosmic Energy Machines compared with EBM, Joseph Newman, John Bedini, Tom Bearden, Minato, Milkovic, Wang, Chas Campbell, Liang and Chao. They are definitely no match for the scientists in top secret projects in Area 51 or Nanjing. They may even be behind us in the Pulse Motor. They were just examples of Magnificent Men with non-flying machines.?
Handsome Boy B. "We are privileged to be in the top University in China in charge of evaluating the Cosmic Energy Patents and Inventions. We see working prototypes. We have funding to improve them. We are under no pressure to disclose anything. We are essentially in the same position as Tseung. He can ignore all challenging posts. He can selectively disclose some information such as that of Sun et al. He and Lee gave their patent rights to the Chinese Government and People. Tseung also declared openly that all financial income to him will automatically go to the 'Helping Seedlings to Innovate Foundation'. They proclaim themselves as theoreticans who will not build a single prototype. They will just help others shine. We are even better as we are virtual persons."
Lawrence Tseung
Steorn Failure Leads Out even more confidence from the China Teams.
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Discussion of the Steorn Failure at a top University in China.
He can ignore all challenging posts. He can selectively disclose some information such as that of Sun et al....
Lawrence Tseung
Sorry lawrence, same old BS.
chrisC
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Mr. Lawrence Tseung,
a real challenge will be to come to market with a cheap,
non endemic material based, energy-machine,
which will deliver the KWH in a range between 1(small,portable) and 0,1(large,stationary plant) Euro-cent !
If Universities can help,to realize this target,the Universities are invited !
If not, top- and flop- Universities,-at first faculties,should be closed !
With great exspectations
de Lan?a
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Everybody who is claiming to have developed a free energy device but fails to deliver proof within a year is a fraud.
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dimitri, I think and I say: No,this is not true and also not so easy to do justice
in that way !
You have to kategorizise the FE-machine !
Only as input (f.e. emf ) amplifier or to the final stage: a closed loop system !
Sir Adams,Prof.Aspden/Searl,Lambertson and many more,today death or
in the 70?/80? would have to see their work as : fraud(e) !
With some distance to this people:
last year I did it also,thanks a lot for your "open minded" e-solution-trial validation, Mr. dimitri !
Sincerely
de Lan?a
p.s.: You have to accept that such FE-machines like EBM(Prof. Szabo) or Akoil.ru
,by 2000$/KW conditions, are not a global energy-challenge solution,
2/3 of the global population have to live with 1-2$ per day/capita earnings !
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My target audience at this stage are the Over Unity Developers, the top academics, the energy ministers and the Chinese Officials.
I have repeated, repeated and repeated - Lee and Tseung will never produce a Cosmic Energy Prototype. We provide the theory to remove the COE roadblock. We let others shine.
Whether it is BS or not, the following are facts that could not be disputed:
(1) All objects are immersed in gravitational energy and interact with such.
(2) All objects are immersed in electron motion energy and interact with such.
(3) The Wang Shum Ho prototype rotated in front of 5 Chinese Officials on January 15, 2007. He is now Vice President of a RMB$13 billion Energy Development Company (General Megnetics ç£Âæ™®.)
(4) Lee Cheung Kin spent a week with Choa Ching San and drove his Cosmic Energy Car. The chance of that car as a hoax is absolutely zero.
(5) There are CIA or the Like and professional debunkers out there on the Internet and physically present in Hong Kong. That is an absolute certainty.
Thus the only way to benefit the World is to ignore all those negative comments. Let the existing OU developers understand the theory and the removal of the COE roadblock. Let them shine.
Lawrence Tseung
Presence of CIA or the Like Leads Out ignoring of Negative Comments.
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Do justice? I have to categorize?
Here's a category: truth. Wanna get inside the category?
Then IF you make a claim, live up to it.
If you claim X, prove X.
If you claim Y, prove Y.
It's that simple.
If you can't prove X, just claim something you can prove.
Achieved Z? Prove Z, shout Z, show Z, demo Z, sell Z.
Steorn? Revolutionary technology? Fine. Free energy? Perfect. Need time to develop it? No problem. Demo planned in july 2007? Thrilling. Demo unit broken on the first day? Can happen. Excuses? Nah... get your ass over to Ireland and get a working unit to show one or two days later instead of whining about hot lamps and damaged bearings. Or put up a webcam next to something that works.
dimitri, I think and I say: No,this is not true and also not so easy to do justice
in that way !
You have to kategorizise the FE-machine !
Only as input (f.e. emf ) amplifier or to the final stage: a closed loop system !
Sir Adams,Prof.Aspden/Searl,Lambertson and many more,today death or
in the 70?/80? would have to see their work as : fraud(e) !
With some distance to this people:
last year I did it also,thanks a lot for your "open minded" e-solution-trial validation, Mr. dimitri !
Sincerely
de Lan?a
p.s.: You have to accept that such FE-machines like EBM(Prof. Szabo) or Akoil.ru
,by 2000$/KW conditions, are not a global energy-challenge solution,
2/3 of the global population have to live with 1-2$ per day/capita earnings !
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Let them time, to approve their claims !
To speak about their "show(-down)" and to read that Orbo is a 5,7 M$ investment make them their lifes not easier !
I also will have to show my own work-piece,but contract-dependant I have had to
take a strategical ( really stupid partners) time-out,+/- 4 months !
S
dL
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dL,
More time?
Don't you see a pattern? 100 people claim to have discovered the holy grail and everytime you ask them for proof there is some excuse. Lamps, bearings, strategic time-outs, health issues, gardening challenges...
I'm more impressed with what pcockriel showed us on youtube than what CEO Sean has been bashing around the world for months now.
As said, I buy the hot lamps and bearings story. What I don't buy is the unwillingness to show a working unit if they have a working unit. If they don't have a working unit, why make all those claims?
I think CEO Sean ran up against some crazy guy one day who told him about his 'invention' but that he needed more $$ to 'optimize it'. (Recognize the pattern?). Powered by the usual cluelessness and seduced by the idea of world power, Sean believed it right away, websited and branded it and started banging the drums like crazy. Hear hear, revolutionary energy. With magnets!
Slowly it turns out that the crazy guy is full of crap and that the damn thing will never work.
The only time he needs now is the time to wake up and to smell the coffee.
(I hope I'm wrong)
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Mr Tseung,
I read about the wang shum ho prototype. From the grime on parts in the pictures, I assume that you folks had a working prototype and disassembled it to produce the pictures. I thought it was an intriguing use of rotor\stator design using a fero-fluid impeller. For the benefit of everyone, I wish you would post a video of it in action. One with a see through top on it and running on an open table with no chance of hidden wires\batteries etc. You have the chance to prove to all that it can be done. :-\
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@OneVoice
I think you may be naive to believe that governments that suppress free information will actually release OU findings, even if they can solve the technical issues?
Wasn't it a Chinese proverb that said, "A picture is worth a thousand words?". It appears these modern day theorist have very quickly and conveniently forgotten when asked about proofs! Just posting claims of OU, billion dollar Government funding are simply propaganda, unworthy of further reading.
Talk about undisputed proofs of objects inheriting electron spin, gravitational pull etc. etc. Did they discovered those too? What is it that this group has actually discovered and shown to the PUBLIC world?
This OU Forum consists of individuals, scientists and engineers who wish to find real, reproducible technical solutions which can be publicly verified. Theories are not enough. We all have seen our share of such baseless claims already.
Oh, btw this is a "Open letter to Steorn" thread, not a thread to propagate some government ideology of "let the people shine"!
Regards
chrisC
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Phone call with Wang and Sun.
Tseung: ?Wang, what is the latest development on your side? You probably know the Steorn Failure in London.?
Wang: ?It is big news in the Cosmic Energy Development Circles. I was lucky in that I did not have to do public demonstrations to get support. My uncompleted prototype rotated in front of the Chinese Officials on 15 January 2007. That was the turning point. I must thank you for promoting me and my device on the Internet.?
Sun: ?I know that you have been working on your invention for over 40 years. We started ours in February 2007. Can you give us some guidelines or advice??
Wang laughed. ?Get the right team together. It took me 40 years to find Lee and Tseung. You are lucky to have Tseung as an advisor at an early stage. You do not need 40 years.?
Tseung: ?Some people on the Internet wanted to know when would the products from your Company be out??
Wang: ?That is not my department and not my decision to make. All I can say is that our Company intends to replace the polluting coal plants with the clean, free and constant Cosmic Energy Machines. Our Company owned some of these plants. Let them wait. You all will hear the news when we are ready.?
Sun: ?There are some people on the Internet doubting your credibility. How would you respond??
Wang: ?Why should I worry about them? They did not make me a Vice President; they did not provide me with a 700 square meter villa; they did not give me stock in a 13 billion RMB company. They did not have a rotating system in front of them. They did not have teams of engineers improving the device.?
Tseung smiled to Sun. ?We helped to promote Wang. We could promote you next. You are interested in platform toys at present. Focus on the DIY version. When it can rotate forever (like the Wang device), you will be richly rewarded.?
Lawrence Tseung
The Wang Experience Leads Out Hard Work from Sun et al
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Mr Tseung,
I read about the wang shum ho prototype. From the grime on parts in the pictures, I assume that you folks had a working prototype and disassembled it to produce the pictures. I thought it was an intriguing use of rotor\stator design using a fero-fluid impeller. For the benefit of everyone, I wish you would post a video of it in action. One with a see through top on it and running on an open table with no chance of hidden wires\batteries etc. You have the chance to prove to all that it can be done. :-\
I have 8 Wang videos in my possession. Two of them were posted multiple times on the Internet. These two had the covers off. One showed the rotation with the ferro-liquid only. The other showed the rotation with both the ferro-liquid and the permanent magnets. (They are available in the attached zip file. They are in mjp format. You may have to download the mjp player to view them.)
There is no need for me to prove anything more to the World. International Experts have gone to Tsing Hua University. Wang got his support by disassembling and assembling the device multiple times.
Lee and I provided the Lee-Tseung theory. The 'boat in calm water and good sunshine' scenario is our contribution to the World. If you do not understand it yet, discuss it with your professors. (Like the case of Galileo, the Earth is Round no matter what the Church says.) We cannot be wrong.
I plan to help Steorn next. Now I know that their device is similar to that of Minato and Sun et al. I shall help them to do a two system coupling. The theory predicts that to be a better system. They will be able to confirm the theory. They will shine.
Lawrence Tseung
Theoreticans Leads Out right direction for Steorn, Minato and Sun et al
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Sorry Lawrence... your description reminds me of watching the Beijing Opera.
The performers say the same propaganda to each other. Quite amusing though.
Cheers
chrisC
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@ChrisC,
I don't consider myself particularly naive or doubting and I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I does irk me though to see and hear the claimants? touting OU and saying how they want to help people all over the world, but when push comes to shove, some issue - legal or technical - prevents tech specs or even a decent movie from hitting the media. When someone comes up with a real solution, there will be more than enough money to spread around to all of the involved parties from the inventor down to the retailer. If Tseung has something, post the vid. I'd say the same thing to Sean @ Steorn, joe Neuman, Searl or anyone else that is making a claim.
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@OneVoice
My apology. I did not mean to insult your 'naive-ness'. I was rather disturbed by people who use this forum to sell their great achievements and blow smoke. Then when asked about specific verifiable results, nothing doing! A few youTube videos of non-runners certainly aren't going to impress too many people, much less people on this forum.
Whether it is Mr. Steorn or Mr. Tseung, it makes no difference. A hamster spinning a real wheel would have been much more enjoyable to watch!
Regards
chrisC
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(The same information was posted at the Steorn.com/forum in the thread 'technical suggestions for Steorn')
Steorn gave the explanation of the failed demonstration as bearing failures: FIVE bearing failures from three units when transferred to the final Demo unit.
Can we believe such an explanation?
Wang met similar experience with his device early on. Once the axle starts to spin, the spinning can keep accelerating. (Remember his four-legged stool experiment?) The generated output energy has nowhere to go and built up as heat. That could easily crack the bearings. Thus bearing failures are possible explanations.
Wang's device has three solutions on this:
(1) He used another of his inventions - heat resistant bearings. The bearing case has slits that allow room for expansion.
(2) He used his double coupling system to limit the maximum rate of rotation.
(3) He drew energy out via the rotating central shaft.
Steorn and other Over Unity developers should not lose heart. You are making progress but you have not reached the final stage yet. (If you have, you might get the same treatment as Wang in China.)
Lawrence Tseung
Cracked Bearings Lead Out the Wang experience and solutions
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Tseung,
Did Wang encounter the 'silly-duck" effect with expanding bearings when humidity would cause non-linear expansion due to partial cooling of the device?
How did Wang solve this problem?
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Tseung,
Did Wang encounter the 'silly-duck" effect with expanding bearings when humidity would cause non-linear expansion due to partial cooling of the device?
How did Wang solve this problem?
From the previous post:
Wang's device has three solutions on this:
(1) He used another of his inventions - heat resistant bearings. The bearing case has slits that allow room for expansion.
(2) He used his double coupling system to limit the maximum rate of rotation.
(3) He drew energy out via the rotating central shaft.
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Did he use 8Kh4V9F2-Sh ?
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Well I assume Steorn's chief executive officer must have returned from a well deserved holiday by now. The new magnets have arrived, new bearings made of 8Kh4V9F2-Sh have arrived, colder lamps have been installed and the world is ready for a revolution.
So when is the demonstration planned?
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However, Steorn's Orbo whether scam or not, did at least one good thing.
It turned heads of at least couple of persons towards "free" energy concepts.
Speaking for myself: it was Steorn's forum which brought me to overunity.com; and I have been active reader ever since. As soon as my current business startup starts to perform on it's own (goes into perpetual mode?) I will most liekely share some of the free time in participation of building and testing some of the units.
Appart from what I said, I must give thumbs up and big thanks to Stefan; you are doing one hell of a job at keeping such active comunity here.
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I would like to see everyone posting here back up their silly claims. If you want to claim there are no free energy devices in the universe. Then you have to provide evidence of such. If you want to anonymously post on the Internet that you claim someone is a scam. Then you should deliver the evidence Mr. anonymous or you are the con artist yourself.
Meanwhile you are just a bunch of Vatican Wikipedia editors IMHO.
I visit this topic to read Lawrence posts, I'm not at all interested in reading your quick spew, menstrual moods and conspiracy theories. What made you think that stuff is interesting?
I think anonymous has oil stocks and lots of em! I don't have to prove my claim, you can disprove it for me. By your own logic everyone should be guilty until proven innocent.
So there you have it. ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7kKTDvFQ7M
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Now Gaby, calm down!
"If you want to claim there are no free energy devices in the universe. Then you have to provide evidence of such."
Do you see that you are asking for proof of a negative here? An impossible task?
Proof that something does not exist by someone who does not claim to have it is a lot different than proof that something does exist by someone who claims to have it!
The skeptic does not and cannot, even if he wished to, bear the burden of proving a negative. It is the duty of those who claim to have done the impossible to provide, if not proof, some reasonable evidence at least!
I'm a free energy skeptic and I don't work for the Vatican or the CIA or anyone else. You really are acting silly with these "burden of proof on the doubter" and "debunking conspiracy" rants. Remember that the vast majority of scientists, physicists and engineers still believe in the laws of thermodynamics!
Remember to have fun and to laugh at yourself now and then! :-*
Humbugger
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@Humbugger,
The skeptic does not and cannot, even if he wished to, bear the burden of proving a negative. It is the duty of those who claim to have done the impossible to provide, if not proof, some reasonable evidence at least!
I have done that. I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that CoE can be violated. Why don't you then just shut up and discontinue your useless rant?
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I'm a free energy skeptic
You, a skeptic? That's quite an overstatement. Incompetents such as you are not called skeptics, they are just incompetents.
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>I visit this topic to read Lawrence posts
Funny, I thought you where Lawrence.
How many names do you post under here btw?
The search for free energy has been going on for years and years.
Ask Stephan, he?s been here since the old yahoo days.
Real science. Real proof.
Feel free to spew away.
I would like to see everyone posting here back up their silly claims. If you want to claim there are no free energy devices in the universe. Then you have to provide evidence of such. If you want to anonymously post on the Internet that you claim someone is a scam. Then you should deliver the evidence Mr. anonymous or you are the con artist yourself.
Meanwhile you are just a bunch of Vatican Wikipedia editors IMHO.
I visit this topic to read Lawrence posts, I'm not at all interested in reading your quick spew, menstrual moods and conspiracy theories. What made you think that stuff is interesting?
I think anonymous has oil stocks and lots of em! I don't have to prove my claim, you can disprove it for me. By your own logic everyone should be guilty until proven innocent.
So there you have it. ::)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7kKTDvFQ7M
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@Humbugger,
The skeptic does not and cannot, even if he wished to, bear the burden of proving a negative. It is the duty of those who claim to have done the impossible to provide, if not proof, some reasonable evidence at least!
I have done that. I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that CoE can be violated. Why don't you then just shut up and discontinue your useless rant?
I'm a free energy skeptic
You, a skeptic? That's quite an overstatement. Incompetents such as you are not called skeptics, they are just incompetents.
"Shut up, you incompetent!" Is that your contribution to scientific debate? A skeptic would be banned for that kind of rude and vicious personal attack. I have read your "proof" that SMOT violates CoE and I am among many who remain unconvinced.
Can you be specific regarding anything I have stated or claimed or taught being incompetent? What do you mean that my confession of skepticism is "an overstatement"? That would seem to imply that I am less skeptical than I say I am.
You sound very incoherent, bitterly angry beyond all reason and extremely abrasive and rude. Try to lighten up and have a better day!
Humbugger
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Correct. Shut up you incompetent. Don?t waste bandwidth and the time of those interested in truth and integrity in Science. Enough of you. And, if you continue with your impudent nonsense the attacks at you will escalate. Enough is enough.
As for my proof for the violation of CoE, there?s enough of it in this and other threads. Read it for Heaven?s sake before spewing complete nonsense. I?m not going to repeat it every time for some moron who hasn?t understood basic Physics yet but comes around with his arrogant opinions.
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Correct. Shut up you incompetent. Don?t waste bandwidth and the time of those interested in truth and integrity in Science. Enough of you. And, if you continue with your impudent nonsense the attacks at you will escalate. Enough is enough.
As for my proof for the violation of CoE, there?s enough of it in this and other threads. Read it for Heaven?s sake before spewing complete nonsense. I?m not going to repeat it every time for some moron who hasn?t understood basic Physics yet but comes around with his arrogant opinions.
Exactly what "impudent nonsense" are you referring to?
Threatening escalating attacks...hmmm...maybe you can construct a giant SMOT and hurl steel balls at me, huh?
Humbugger under attack :o
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I'm under attack, you moron. You are attacking me.
The impudent nonsense is your insistence that there hasn't been arguments proving violation of CoE in the face of facts proving indisputably that violation. That's impudence to no end.
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!
Fight! :o
Where is diplomacy gentlemen?
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I have no interest in personally attacking you or anyone else.
I have not insulted you or demanded that you do or refrain from doing anything or threatened an escalating attack against you or made any claims of having disproven basic tenets of modern physics.
You appear to be doing all of the above. When I ask for specific reasons for your vitriolic attacks and insults, all I seem to hear is more spewing of venom. Whether or not I personally accept your "proof" that CoE is an invalid concept does not alter any fact of the matter, now does it?
Please refrain from further threats and personal insults. They do nothing to advance your arguments or enhance your reputation as an intelligent man of sound reason.
Humbugger will "waste no further bandwidth" responding to insults and threats
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Continuing to spew nonsense is enough of an insult. You should know that. Stop it.
I have given enough proof here in this and in other threads and you?re insulting me by ignoring it and asking me to repeat it over and over again. Stop it.
Stop insulting me.
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Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!
Fight! :o
Where is diplomacy gentlemen?
It is right there in each of my posts. Omnibus is raging and spewing insults simply because I'm skeptical and remain so. He butted in on comments between myself and Gaby which were, as always, shared in a good-natured sense of philosophical sparring.
Out of nowhere comes Omnibus, spewing threats, insults and hate in general and then accusing me of attacking him! Apparently, this is how he responds to anyone who does not agree with him regarding his pet theory and claims of SMOT disproving CoE.
I see no point in continuing to converse with Omnibus and I do not appreciate his personal insults and threats of escalatory personal attacks. Were I to do that, as a skeptic, I would probably face banning.
Humbugger
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I?m outraged not because you?re skeptical but because you?re incompetent and are spewing nonsense and big words whose meaning you don?t quite understand.
Stop insulting me. Mine is not a pet theory but is a definitive proof that CoE can be violated. You are incompetent, therefore, you cannot understand it and must not utter insults such as this. What an impudence.
You should face banning not because you are a skeptic but because you?re impudently cluttering discussions with your arrogant behavior of an incompetent pontificating what is and what isn?t. Polite arrogance, that?s the worst insult. Stop it.
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Omnibus - I am not a skeptic, and as such, can I ask you politely and with respect, to calm your outrage.
Those of us who believe in the fallibility of CoE should welcome any argument as an opportunity to educate or debate, not to antagonise. The best way to lose a potential ally is to attack.
Channel your energy in a creative way, and we can all benefit.
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This isn't a potential ally. This is an arrogant nobody whose only role is to belittle people's achievements. These should really be told who they really are. Enough of this diplomacy.
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:D
The life is only one.
Add forces, knowledge, friendships
It?s better. Can believe.
The life is fast, and only once.
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I would like to know how the topic of stoern broke down to about the smot?
Stoern will rebound and this is what should be discussed here. There is an area
for the smot.
thaelin
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Omnibus,
Fair enough, but where has that proof been published? I looked at several threads but only found references to the proof, but never the proof itself.
Regarding bandwidth waste management: if you'd link to the proof one time in every thread you blame people that they are ignorant of understanding it, the webmaster can cut half the advertising space.
Best regards,
Dimitri
Mine is not a pet theory but is a definitive proof that CoE can be violated.
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@dimitri,
Try harder. See this, for instance: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2733.30.html
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Why don't you write to Steorn and ask them about this...
http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/ (http://freeenergytracker.blogspot.com/)
There is a terrible stink surrounding them at the moment!