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Author Topic: Open Letter to Steorn  (Read 29318 times)

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2007, 12:38:00 AM »
Phone call with Wang and Sun.
Tseung: ?Wang, what is the latest development on your side?  You probably know the Steorn Failure in London.?

Wang: ?It is big news in the Cosmic Energy Development Circles.  I was lucky in that I did not have to do public demonstrations to get support.  My uncompleted prototype rotated in front of the Chinese Officials on 15 January 2007.  That was the turning point.  I must thank you for promoting me and my device on the Internet.?

Sun: ?I know that you have been working on your invention for over 40 years.  We started ours in February 2007.  Can you give us some guidelines or advice??

Wang laughed. ?Get the right team together.  It took me 40 years to find Lee and Tseung.  You are lucky to have Tseung as an advisor at an early stage.  You do not need 40 years.?

Tseung: ?Some people on the Internet wanted to know when would the products from your Company be out??

Wang: ?That is not my department and not my decision to make.  All I can say is that our Company intends to replace the polluting coal plants with the clean, free and constant Cosmic Energy Machines.  Our Company owned some of these plants.  Let them wait.  You all will hear the news when we are ready.?

Sun: ?There are some people on the Internet doubting your credibility. How would you respond??

Wang: ?Why should I worry about them?  They did not make me a Vice President; they did not provide me with a 700 square meter villa; they did not give me stock in a 13 billion RMB company.  They did not have a rotating system in front of them.  They did not have teams of engineers improving the device.?

Tseung smiled to Sun.  ?We helped to promote Wang.  We could promote you next.  You are interested in platform toys at present.  Focus on the DIY version.  When it can rotate forever (like the Wang device), you will be richly rewarded.?

Lawrence Tseung
The Wang Experience Leads Out Hard Work from Sun et al

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2007, 12:38:00 AM »

Offline ltseung888

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2007, 12:59:37 AM »
Mr Tseung,

I read about the wang shum ho prototype. From the grime on parts in the pictures, I assume that you folks had a working prototype and disassembled it to produce the pictures. I thought it was an intriguing use of rotor\stator design using a fero-fluid impeller. For the benefit of everyone, I wish you would post a video of it in action. One with a see through top on it and running on an open table with no chance of hidden wires\batteries etc. You have the chance to prove to all that it can be done. :-\

I have 8 Wang videos in my possession.  Two of them were posted multiple times on the Internet.  These two had the covers off.  One showed the rotation with the ferro-liquid only.  The other showed the rotation with both the ferro-liquid and the permanent magnets. (They are available in the attached zip file.  They are in mjp format.  You may have to download the mjp player to view them.)

There is no need for me to prove anything more to the World.  International Experts have gone to Tsing Hua University.  Wang got his support by disassembling and assembling the device multiple times. 

Lee and I provided the Lee-Tseung theory.  The 'boat in calm water and good sunshine' scenario is our contribution to the World.  If you do not understand it yet, discuss it with your professors.  (Like the case of Galileo, the Earth is Round no matter what the Church says.) We cannot be wrong.

I plan to help Steorn next.  Now I know that their device is similar to that of Minato and Sun et al.  I shall help them to do a two system coupling.  The theory predicts that to be a better system.  They will be able to confirm the theory.  They will shine.

Lawrence Tseung
Theoreticans Leads Out right direction for Steorn, Minato and Sun et al
« Last Edit: July 10, 2007, 01:48:06 PM by ltseung888 »

Offline chrisC

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2007, 01:00:51 AM »
Sorry Lawrence... your description reminds me of watching the Beijing Opera.
The performers say the same propaganda to each other. Quite amusing though.

Cheers
chrisC

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2007, 01:00:51 AM »
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Offline Onevoice

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2007, 07:43:29 PM »
@ChrisC,

I don't consider myself particularly naive or doubting and I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I does irk me though to see and hear the claimants? touting OU and saying how they want to help people all over the world, but when push comes to shove, some issue - legal or technical - prevents tech specs or even a decent movie from hitting the media. When someone comes up with a real solution, there will be more than enough money to spread around to all of the involved parties from the inventor down to the retailer. If Tseung has something, post the vid. I'd say the same thing to Sean @ Steorn, joe Neuman, Searl or anyone else that is making a claim.

Offline chrisC

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2007, 07:59:06 PM »
@OneVoice

My apology. I did not mean to insult your 'naive-ness'. I was rather disturbed by people who use this forum to sell their great achievements and blow smoke. Then when asked about specific verifiable results, nothing doing! A few youTube videos of non-runners certainly aren't going to impress too many people, much less people on this forum.

Whether it is Mr. Steorn or Mr. Tseung, it makes no difference. A hamster spinning a real wheel would have been much more enjoyable to watch!

Regards
chrisC

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2007, 07:59:06 PM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2007, 11:56:13 PM »
(The same information was posted at the Steorn.com/forum in the thread 'technical suggestions for Steorn')

Steorn gave the explanation of the failed demonstration as bearing failures:  FIVE bearing failures from three units when transferred to the final Demo unit.

Can we believe such an explanation?

Wang met similar experience with his device early on.  Once the axle starts to spin, the spinning can keep accelerating. (Remember his four-legged stool experiment?)  The generated output energy has nowhere to go and built up as heat.  That could easily crack the bearings.  Thus bearing failures are possible explanations.

Wang's device has three solutions on this:

(1) He used another of his inventions - heat resistant bearings.  The bearing case has slits that allow room for expansion.

(2) He used his double coupling system to limit the maximum rate of rotation.

(3) He drew energy out via the rotating central shaft.

Steorn and other Over Unity developers should not lose heart.  You are making progress but you have not reached the final stage yet.  (If you have, you might get the same treatment as Wang in China.)

Lawrence Tseung
Cracked Bearings Lead Out the Wang experience and solutions

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2007, 07:51:34 AM »
Tseung,

Did Wang encounter the 'silly-duck" effect with expanding bearings when humidity would cause non-linear expansion due to partial cooling of the device?

How did Wang solve this problem?

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2007, 07:51:34 AM »
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Offline ltseung888

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2007, 10:09:10 AM »
Tseung,

Did Wang encounter the 'silly-duck" effect with expanding bearings when humidity would cause non-linear expansion due to partial cooling of the device?

How did Wang solve this problem?

From the previous post:

Wang's device has three solutions on this:

(1) He used another of his inventions - heat resistant bearings.  The bearing case has slits that allow room for expansion.

(2) He used his double coupling system to limit the maximum rate of rotation.

(3) He drew energy out via the rotating central shaft.

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 11:12:40 AM »
Did he use 8Kh4V9F2-Sh ?

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2007, 11:12:40 AM »
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Offline dimitri

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2007, 01:53:14 PM »
Well I assume Steorn's chief executive officer must have returned from a well deserved holiday by now. The new magnets have arrived, new bearings made of 8Kh4V9F2-Sh have arrived, colder lamps have been installed and the world is ready for a revolution.

So when is the demonstration planned?

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2007, 03:44:24 PM »
However, Steorn's Orbo whether scam or not, did at least one good thing.
It turned heads of at least couple of persons towards "free" energy concepts.
Speaking for myself: it was Steorn's forum which brought me to overunity.com; and I have been active reader ever since. As soon as my current business startup starts to perform on it's own (goes into perpetual mode?) I will most liekely share some of the free time in participation of building and testing some of the units.

Appart from what I said, I must give thumbs up and big thanks to Stefan; you are doing one hell of a job at keeping such active comunity here.

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2007, 03:44:24 PM »
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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2007, 06:40:27 AM »
I would like to see everyone posting here back up their silly claims. If you want to claim there are no free energy devices in the universe. Then you have to provide evidence of such. If you want to anonymously post on the Internet that you claim someone is a scam. Then you should deliver the evidence Mr. anonymous or you are the con artist yourself.

Meanwhile you are just a bunch of Vatican Wikipedia editors IMHO.

I visit this topic to read Lawrence posts, I'm not at all interested in reading your quick spew, menstrual moods and conspiracy theories. What made you think that stuff is interesting?

I think anonymous has oil stocks and lots of em! I don't have to prove my claim, you can disprove it for me. By your own logic everyone should be guilty until proven innocent.

So there you have it. ::)

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2007, 12:43:58 PM »
Now Gaby, calm down! 

"If you want to claim there are no free energy devices in the universe. Then you have to provide evidence of such."

Do you see that you are asking for proof of a negative here?  An impossible task? 

Proof that something does not exist by someone who does not claim to have it is a lot different than proof that something does exist by someone who claims to have it!

The skeptic does not and cannot, even if he wished to, bear the burden of proving a negative.  It is the duty of those who claim to have done the impossible to provide, if not proof, some reasonable evidence at least!

I'm a free energy skeptic and I don't work for the Vatican or the CIA or anyone else.  You really are acting silly with these "burden of proof on the doubter" and "debunking conspiracy" rants.  Remember that the vast majority of scientists, physicists and engineers still believe in the laws of thermodynamics! 

Remember to have fun and to laugh at yourself now and then!   :-*

Humbugger

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2007, 01:33:22 PM »
@Humbugger,

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The skeptic does not and cannot, even if he wished to, bear the burden of proving a negative.  It is the duty of those who claim to have done the impossible to provide, if not proof, some reasonable evidence at least!

I have done that. I have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that CoE can be violated. Why don't you then just shut up and discontinue your useless rant?

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Re: Open Letter to Steorn
« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2007, 01:35:33 PM »
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I'm a free energy skeptic
You, a skeptic? That's quite an overstatement. Incompetents such as you are not called skeptics, they are just incompetents.

 

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