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Author Topic: Steorn Demo, sabotaged  (Read 17121 times)

Honk

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2007, 11:54:37 AM »
Does anyboy here know if Steorn really invited a group of scientists to examine their machine?
Is there a public list of the people that was selected by Steorn?

Pehaps the invitation was a fraud as well just to make the apperance of a working machine very likely?

Tell me what you know or think about this!!!!!!!

archon79

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2007, 01:13:42 PM »

Think about what you are saying.  If it was true, and if I was Steorn, and my demo was sabotaged, the first thing I would do is go back home and film a working device in my own lab and show that on the Internet.  This is the best form of damage control and would go a long way to save face and restore the public and investors' faith in my project.  Do you think this is going to happen anytime soon?  Don't hold your breath.


Do you honestly think that having a failed public demo and then recording a private one for release is going to win back their reputation? The only thing that will save them now is having units for sale or easily replication by the hobbyists.


dimitri

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2007, 01:35:35 PM »
I don't need a bunch of scientists to approve of the technology or someone to accept the validty of whatever claim. I'm willing to pay for a license under the condition that it works, that is: produces free energy. How's that?

If Sean is convinced that it works, why isn't he selling licenses and designs?

If I were a shareholder that would be the first question on the next shareholder meeting: "Yo Sean, companies out there want to pay cash for our Orbo technology - provided that it works. Why are we wasting our time and money with scientists? Why aren't we selling? Sean?"



Think about what you are saying.  If it was true, and if I was Steorn, and my demo was sabotaged, the first thing I would do is go back home and film a working device in my own lab and show that on the Internet.  This is the best form of damage control and would go a long way to save face and restore the public and investors' faith in my project.  Do you think this is going to happen anytime soon?  Don't hold your breath.


Do you honestly think that having a failed public demo and then recording a private one for release is going to win back their reputation? The only thing that will save them now is having units for sale or easily replication by the hobbyists.



shruggedatlas

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2007, 05:04:49 PM »
I don't need a bunch of scientists to approve of the technology or someone to accept the validty of whatever claim. I'm willing to pay for a license under the condition that it works, that is: produces free energy. How's that?

If Sean is convinced that it works, why isn't he selling licenses and designs?

If I were a shareholder that would be the first question on the next shareholder meeting: "Yo Sean, companies out there want to pay cash for our Orbo technology - provided that it works. Why are we wasting our time and money with scientists? Why aren't we selling? Sean?"


Excellent point, Dimitri.  I suppose the only argument for a demo and validation is that it will spike demand for the technology, but let's be realistic.  If this is the holy grail - free energy - you do not have to be a marketing genius to sell it.  It will sell itself if you simply price it below current rates for energy.

This whole thing smells rotten.  It takes the jury months to figure out what is going on?  I know if I was on the jury and had access to the device, it would not take me more than a day or two to confirm whether the thing is over unity.  It is not like they are claiming it is 101% efficient.  They make claims in the 200 to 300% range.  And now the Orbo cannot move a small plastic disc on bearings?  A stray sneeze from a few feet away can probably move that thing.

I think there is no jury, and the demo "mechanical failure" was pre-planned to stall for more time.  Investors were probably getting antsy with no demonstrable progress in years.  This reminds me of the Carl Tilley perpetual motion scam.  Tilley outfitted a race car with his perpetual motion engine to demonstrate its power.  As luck would have it, the car ran into "mechanical problems" after just a few laps.

Aphasiac

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2007, 05:47:59 PM »
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... A stray sneeze from a few feet away can probably move that thing.

haha. Now that is funny... and yet, so true! lol.

TheOne

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2007, 07:33:01 PM »
I have a question: steorn was talking about an effect using gravity or something like that, now the ORBO seam not related to that at all, steorn have multiple project using different method?

ORBO is 100% magnetic, the other video on youtube show mechanical effect not related to magnet at all

bitRAKE

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2007, 08:04:29 PM »
There is an inherent problem with selling information - spread rate is exponential even in a constrained environment. Modern society has developed a number of techniques to control information - the spreading really cannot be controlled, but the language of communication can be controlled.

Steorn wants to sell information - they do not want to create a product. Sean has said all along that their goals is to prove the value of the information they want to sell. Furthermore, Steorn only wants to sell final plans for devices with certain properties - they don't know the source of the properties and don't claim to be selling that information.

Does anyone else see the fatal flaw here? Steorn couldn't produce a device with the properties they claim to be selling plans for. Maybe they have some devices that produce strange properties, but they cannot sell plans for them because they cannot reproduce the effects. It is important to study the devices that they do have in order to understand the source of the properties, but they have an awful strange way of going about that.

Aphasiac

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2007, 03:23:43 AM »
There is an inherent problem with selling information - spread rate is exponential even in a constrained environment. Modern society has developed a number of techniques to control information - the spreading really cannot be controlled, but the language of communication can be controlled.

I disagree: I've made a reasonably good living off selling information. Mostly recycled public domain information at that. But I'm just a prop in the theater of intellectual property retail. Imagine if you could protect your information and retain sole rights to distribute it. The quintessential example might be Microsoft, who really has no product, per se. They pedal information to which they own exclusive reproduction and distribution rights.  Indeed, the "Dot Com" revolution has brought us smack into the middle of this, the era of intellectual property protection rights. So as with Linux, you and I,  our opensource mentality, and what we do with it will likely play a very important role on the modern stage, but history tells us we will probably remain at the fringe.   

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Steorn wants to sell information - they do not want to create a product. Sean has said all along that their goals is to prove the value of the information they want to sell. Furthermore, Steorn only wants to sell final plans for devices with certain properties - they don't know the source of the properties and don't claim to be selling that information.

Does anyone else see the fatal flaw here? Steorn couldn't produce a device with the properties they claim to be selling plans for. Maybe they have some devices that produce strange properties, but they cannot sell plans for them because they cannot reproduce the effects. It is important to study the devices that they do have in order to understand the source of the properties, but they have an awful strange way of going about that.

I agree. But I also suspect there's more at play here than we know.

--Mark.

joegatt

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Re: Steorn Demo, sabotaged
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2007, 11:09:29 AM »
When I first read about this idea of beamed sabotage, I laughed.  However, now that I think about it, I remember that last Wednesday I saw some workers operating a crane (or was it a cherry picker?) towards the floor above the demonstration area. Could they have been retrieving some heavy equipment from this upper floor? Maybe I should have stuck around and had a good look!


Regards
Joseph