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Author Topic: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project  (Read 23320 times)

Offline Aphasiac

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2007, 08:48:45 AM »
lol. See, I knew you guys were using high volts DC current, but never questioned the obvious... I just thought it sounded cleaner and easier than having car batteries stacked ten high.  And yes, I understand the whole concept of pulsing, although I also thought I read that some people are switching the polarity to improve output?

--Mark.

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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2007, 10:12:59 AM »
Quote from: Aphasiac on July 12, 2007, 09:36:51 PM
I borrowed a suggestion (I think from IH's thread) to turn the cell upside down. Nice. I can't find the reference now, but thank you to whoever suggested it.
Linnard Griffin HHO thread... Great new video there of RR2's closed loop.
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Offline chuukie

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2007, 03:31:29 PM »
The ac will short, but if you put a Diode in you have that covered, a rectifier will work on ac mains( in house) but not with an inverter, at least not with mine, cheap diodes at radio shack... and rectifiers, but not much in the amps dept. I only ad this because you say you have tried the inverter... this is some what gutsy...(dangerous) caution is advised, high voltage ac, or dc can... well obviously, kill you. thats all I am saying, love the project! Chuck
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Offline IronHead

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2007, 08:50:45 PM »
AC driven polarity switching on this type of Cell seems to have no positive effects at any frequency I have tried. Straight brute force DC works very well. Now of course this is much different from AC frequency riding a DC backbone like you see in the clipped alternator systems.
I would just start out with a rectifier like this  to get you some nice high voltage DC going .

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http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=166
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2007, 02:14:42 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 27, 2007, 01:53:12 AM by Bouzouki »
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Offline Aphasiac

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2007, 08:46:51 PM »
Quote from: IronHead on July 23, 2007, 08:50:45 PM

I would just start out with a rectifier like this  to get you some nice high voltage DC going .

Rectifiers
http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=166

I just ordered up two of them. As well as some 9amp Diodes.

In the meantime, I'll get to work on my leaks. I sealed the electrode terminal holes up with autogoop. But the goop just isn't strong enough. Maybe I'll try the model glue idea of Turtle's.

--Mark.   
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2007, 09:05:39 PM »
Quote from: Bouzouki on July 25, 2007, 02:14:42 AM
Try making some new water. Distilled is the worst thing to use.

...  this IronHead guy is off his flippin rocker.
you should check out this guys knowledge I think he has aussie help or something. lol

@ Bouzouki: Thanks for the advice, though the cell I'm referring to here is a little different.

Oh, and... the one thing that strikes me as odd about your IH comments is... seems to me you're using his cell design, aren't you? lol.
We're workin' toward a common goal here, which means that no matter how you choose to crack your nut, we're all sane in here. 


Proudly Humble,

Mark.
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Offline IronHead

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2007, 09:59:49 PM »
Thats all a quote from me man   even the part about this guy is off his flipping rocker as in  third person  :)

The only part of that post that is not quote is him saying I am aussie  or working with aussie techniques
This is true I have learned from everything in the HHO  world from Joe to Meyer  and much more .

Ironhead
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2007, 11:29:13 PM »
Ahhhh, ok. All makes good sense now. :P

Cheers!
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Offline Thaelin

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2007, 01:36:43 AM »
@ Aphasiac
   Just passing through checking out the different kinds of controllers used here, physical make up and the likes. I live in  an apartment complex so this kind of thing is out for me.
   On the gas leaks you are having. I ran into a glue that you might try out. Its called gorilla glue. Once it sets, its there for good. Not sure if it will withstand the KOH tho. Just a thought for you to try.

   Also there is a fellow trying SS screen and laying it horizontal and seems to get a lot more gas that way. Stephan knows of him. Good luck to you all.

thaelin
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Offline keithturtle

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2007, 04:10:47 AM »
@aphasiac;

higher voltage bridges.   I use 'em and ain't burnt one up yet

http://www.surpluscenter.com/sort.asp?numrec=10&sort=1&search=rectifier&UID=2007021700051064

@thaelin;

Gorilla glue is polyurethane based, and should hold up cuz that's similat to goop, I think.   But gorilla glue expands as it cures, and the "foam effect" may give yer joints the squirts- ain't tried it yet but worth  a try.

Learn from the mistakes of others- in this business y'all may not get a second chance
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2007, 08:43:20 PM »
I installed one of those bridge rectifiers as Ironhead and KiethTurtle suggested, along with a 400watt rated dimmer switch. I got nothing through the DC-AC inverter, but blew the pot. So I replaced with an 800watt  pot, and still nothing but lots of humming. Bypassed the pot. Still nothing. Connected to the power mains, running through the Rectifier, and still nothing.  Absolutely no activity in the cell at 115Volts, 30 AMPS DC (3,400 WATTS) !!!!

Hook 12V/24V batteries up in series, and I get activity. Why is this? I don't want 500lbs of battery. I want to make this inverter work! and... with less power, not more! lol.

What am I doing wrong?

 

 
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #42 on: August 10, 2007, 10:25:53 PM »
Please don't take offense at this, I mean no harm.  The rectifier has two sine wave signs,,,the ac is connected to these opposite corners, the dc out wires are connected to the other two corners.
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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2007, 11:17:45 PM »
@ Yikes: lol. no offence taken. But of course... it is hooked up with the AC line from the Inverter to the AC marked posts on the rectifier. And then +/- DC running from the DC connects of the rectifier to the Cell.

BTW: I love your avatar!

--Mark.
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Offline Dingus Mungus

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Re: Aphasiac's 12HP Hydrogen Project
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2007, 03:15:12 PM »
Both your avitars creep me out...

J/K :D

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