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*The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
Bruce_TPU:
Hi All,
Picture this, in a rotating field. Set up by four coils perpindicular around the Toroid. The collectors wrapped around the circumference. And picture in each of these perp. coils this magnetic wave. Then picture this rotating at 438 rpm's. over the wires with the frequencies, identical signals, different sources/slightly out of phase.
Tesla's Egg meets the three sisters! :) (Of the right frequency, waveform and phase)
Highest regards,
Bruce
Marco's Dancing Magnets
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&q=Marcos+dancing+magnets&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Earl:
Hi Bruce, hi All,
just posted a new idea and schematic at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506
and would appreciate peer review of my "rapid fire Rat Race".
Regards, Earl
BEP:
@Earl
Hold that thought (your circuit, I mean).
That circuit would be a nice marriage to an EMP xxxxOOPs! - I mean an EMP coil turning a new leaf as a TPU!.
I'm working on the design conversion now. It'll take me a bit as I am still taking trouble calls.
bob.rennips:
Hi Bruce,
There are a few things that are incorrect in what you are saying.
1. The egg of columbus doesn't stop. When it stands on its end it is rotating at the fastest speed possible.
2. The earths magnetic fields are not involved in induction of a magnetic field in the copper egg.
3. The egg spins because the rotating magnetic field induces a current in the copper egg which in turn creates a separate magnetic field around the egg. This magnetic field will now obviously follow the rotating magnetic field.
4. The egg takes time to synchronise with the magnetic field because the egg has inertia. The fast rotating magnetic field does not have a firm grip on the egg. As the egg speeds up more 'grip' occurs which in turn makes the egg rotate faster. There is no parallel with a compass needle. A compass needle instatly spins in sync with a rotating magnetic field because it is so light in comparison with the magnetic force.
5. A 7.8Hz rotating magnetic field does not create a 7.8 Hz stationary wave within the TPU. A 7.8Hz stationary wave is around 38000km long.
The very fact that the SM compass needle spins slowly and speeds up indicates that the rotating magnetic field is gradually getting faster which is the complete opposite of what is happening in a 2 phase egg of columbus. The magnetic field is spinning at a constant speed and the egg is speeding up because it is playing catch up.
It is NOT the case that you are trying to persuade US that a rotating magnetic field is required. A group of us have been experimenting on this very idea for the last 6 months AND POSTING OUR RESULTS on this forum. The very fact that you are only now 'clicking' on to what we are doing, is you doing 'catch up', not showing us the way.
This is why you see counter circuits posted by Earl for everyone to use. The counter circuits are an easy way of creating a rotating set of pulses into the coils around a TPU, which in turn creates a rotating magnetic field. If you want a 7.8Hz rotating magnetic field set your freq. gen to 7.8Hz. If you have 4 coils then count to 4. 8 coils then count to 8.
You'll also notice phase adjustment circuits for precision phase positioning, and pulse width control - and this was before Bob Boyce confirmed this requirement.
From APRIL:
--- Quote from: bob.rennips on April 25, 2007, 09:43:20 AM ---
I had been using one of these:
http://www.oceancontrols.com.au/motor_controller/microstepping_motor_controllers.htm
I had four 'motor' coils arranged on a wooden board in typical 2 phase motor arrangement but all Norths pointing towards the center, so basically pulsing north facing towards center, magnetic pulses in a circle. I placed another air core solenoid over the whole arrangement. i.e. Like placing a pipe vertically over the coils so the circumference of the one pipe covered all the 4 coils. In otherwords this solenoid is at 90 degrees to the four coils.
I placed 12 volts DC from a car battery across this solenoid in series with a 15ohm 20watt resistor.
A function generator pulsed the microstep controller. I had the whole thing running at around 6.8Khz. I was looking at waveforms on the scope to see if the DC coil, even though it was at 90 degrees to the other coils, affected the scope waveform. No real difference detected.
The DC coil was connected to one battery and the microstep and the four coils to another battery. I used two batteries is so that there would be no possibility of electrical noise from the 4 coil switching going over the wires to the DC coil via the common connections to a single battery.
The connection to the DC coil came loose at the battery and was sparking and then POOF the whole microstep controller goes up in smoke. You could smell burnt up electrolytic capacitors and could see resistors burnt out on opening the box up.
Theoretically there should have been no coupling between the DC coil and the four coils... so this is a very interesting result. However, I can't afford to burn up $99+, each time I try this!, so now looking for a cheaper homemade circuit, to continue the 'burning' experiment.
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With regards to you saying, on another thread, none of us are listening about DC from a rotating magnetic field. Take a look at just one of many posts I've made on this very subject.
--- Quote from: bob.rennips on May 22, 2007, 04:14:15 AM ---
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You have now 'realised the circuit potential' because a rotating plane of charged particles causes a rotating magnetic field which can be intersected for useful power, as per the information given by SM.
The useful power would by definition be predominantly DC. But because the wires collecting the output would also be intersected by the rotating radial field generated by the control coils you have a much smaller AC component on top of the DC. If the control coils are pulsed in a circle at 5khz you will have a small insignificant 5khz component on top of DC output.
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By all means do your experiments on rotating magnetic fields and DC output but please don't make out that you're first to the post with the idea.
Bruce_TPU:
Hi Bob.R
I certainly do not claim to have discovered the need for a magnetic rotation field. This has been talked about at great lengths. For FAR LONGER than you or I have been on this board. MY thinking was/is (for experimentation purposes anyway) a desire to do it in a different way, as I have described. This will probably change, since we have decided to build with three phase and not two. Some believe that this experiment by Tesla was indeed three phase. But who knows, eh?
I do not believe that the earth's magnetic field was involved in the induction of the egg! LOL ;D (That was funny!) I was noting it was ELF. Now if he had been down a little lower, what would have happened to that egg? Was it the first TPU? Or part of anyway! LOL Perhaps I only think that, oh yea, and one more person.
What I do believe is that at a lower Hz we get more bang for our buck. Perhaps too much bang, but we will see. My desire (though I am being swayed from what Bob Boyce has taught) was to tap into the Earths magnetic field between 7 and 8 Hz for our rotational field. The only reason I can think that some folks can't grasp what I am saying is that they have not watched "marcos dancing magnets" which I posted a link to in above post.
With all due respect, Bob, you do not see a link between Tesla's Egg and what we are trying to do, no problem. But some of us, more than myself, brought it to my attention and I agree with them..>Lastly, unless you have spun the egg yourself all you have is theory and conjecture as to "why" the egg spun, the same as us. We see it as helping with our build. You disagree. Cool. That is what is great about experimenting. For me this is not a matter of being right or wrong, just a "path" we desire to tread to further our understanding.
As far as doing Catch up on this, perhaps. For those who have read through my thread I spent much time on EVERY clue, and this was the last one for me. That is WHY I closed my old thread and started a new one.
Oh, and about the DC output, again very many people over the last...how long, guys, have talked about this. Now, my reason for bringing it up again, is because I fear some may become so enthralled with the ECD and it's Alternating Current Output, that they lose sight of the other half of the TPU as talked about my MANY on this board including yourself and Confirmed by Bob Boyce. And that is for the need of a rotating magnetic field. RMF - THIS is what the ECD is missing. That was my point, I was just trying to be more, "delicate" in it's delivery. I DO NOT want to undervalue the ECD in saying that. But truth be known, it is DC overunity output we are looking for.
Warm Regards Bob, we may not always agree, but you do experiment and not just talk and I LIKE THAT! ;)
Highest Regards,
Bruce
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