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*The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
« on: July 05, 2007, 06:52:53 AM »
Good evening ladies and gentlemen.

I have closed out my old thread with a list of Tesla patents, with years, and patent numbers.  And a quick way to look them up at our beckon call.

Earlier today, a new poster PM'd me with some thoughts and links.  While studying out one particular avenue of conversation, I hit upon something someone else that had been mentioned to me in private some time ago, but I did not take the time to research it.

This first post will be to explain my reasoning for what I think and why I think it.  After that I want to devote this thread to "real world" how to do what I propose.  And then to have some skilled in the art to assist with experimention in this regard.

This thread will also be devoted "strictly" to research of what I will present this evening, to "figure" out how to achieve it.  Many of you have other theories and ideas, even some which I have thought and worked through.

For those who wish to disagree, please do so in the "debate" thread and have respect for those of us working.  This is for "practical" how to.  I feel I am finished with more theory.  I understand in my mind what I understand, and now it is time to bring it to fruition.  I do not have the needed skills to do this by myself.  It will have to be a group effort.

Below is a consise list of what I believe needs to be in the TPU.  As well as needed experiment to either confirm or deny.  To see the theory behind these ideas, please refer to my old thread for theory.  Thank you for your time and assistance.

The Study of Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU

A.  Circuit Potential
1.  Must have a rotational field
I now believe I know how this was achieved in the TPU.  And I believe I have found evidence to support it.  This also fits in directly with the 7.3 Hz.  But before I start you must understand the "Egg of Columbus".  This was not covered in my old thread, but in an accidental fashion when talking about ELF in the toroid.

"Tesla's Egg of Columbus"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egg_of_Columbus

From the article:
 World's Columbian Exposition, demonstrated a device he constructed known as the "Egg of Columbus". It was used to demonstrate and explain the principles of the rotating magnetic field model and the induction motor. Tesla's Egg of Columbus performed the feat of Columbus with a copper egg in a rotating magnetic field. The egg spins on its major axis, standing on end due to gyroscopic action.

Tesla's device used a toroidal iron core stator on which four coils were wound. The device was powered by a two-phase alternating current source (such as a variable speed alternator) to create the rotating magnetic field. A three-phase alternator would work just as well, if not better. The device operated on 25 to 300 hertz current. The ideal operating frequency was described as being between 35 to 40 hertz.

I now believe (near to a certainty) that SM inverted DC to AC at 7.23 Hz.  He then used the four coils around his toroid to setup a rotating magnetic field, using these "reproduced" stationary waves.  Just as Tesla before him did with his toroid.  Tesla used AC ELF as does SM to produce this rotating field.  (Please do not be confused.  We are not talking yet about the high frequencies within the collectors.)

SM said:
"By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation? Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very slowly. it speeds up faster and faster until it just stops. When it stops the unit is always operating at about it's design maximum.

Now, please listen to this description and see if it sounds familiar:
http://dspace.lib.utexas.edu/bitstream/2152/340/1/nadisf022.pdf

"At the Westinghouse exhibit in the Palace of Electricity, Tesla gave
lectures, presented his ?Egg of Columbus,? which spun and then stood on end as
it responded to a polyphase current like that of his induction motor
,..."

Great article on this generator/motor here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~drestinblack/generator.htm

SM's open Tpu also has these four "control" coils providing the rotating magnetic field.

The ELF STATIONARY WAVES are "reproduced" but only in the sense that there is a huge magnetic wave that can be "tapped" into between 7 Hz and 8 Hz.  Tesla's toroid needed iron because of the Hz he was using did not quite "Tap" in that wave.  Remember Marco's video?

In his Colorado Springs Notes, Tesla noted that these
stationary waves "... can be produced with an oscillator," and added in
parenthesis, "This is of immense importance."

So in conclusion of this segment:  The Rotational Magnetic Field is Produced by ELF Alternating Current at 7.3 Hz being input into the FOUR controls around the TPU.  A circuit will be needed to accomplish this.  THIS will produce the rotating STATIONARY waves for the device, on top of the frequencies within the collectors and RESULT IN the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
 
This is the circuit potential!

High Frequencies within the collectors
2.  There must be three frequencies within the space of the collectors coil circumference.  These three collectors will be tuned to resonance of the high frequencies within them. 

When the 7.3 Hz rotating magnetic field hits the rotating magnetic fields setup by the frequencies, the AC signal within the collectors gives us the "AC signal" at the end, but it is through this "VIRTUAL" induction generator that gives us our DC usable power.

I believe the output will also be through induction.  (Experimentation will tell)  This would explain the control wire wrapped around each individual collector, and then the three of them are wired in series, or parallel or both.  SM is a student of Tesla and rediscovered HOW it was accomplished by Tesla.

The controller will need to put out a signal that looks, acts and feels like that of a tube amp.  This is for the frequencies within the collectors.  The frequencies that were given to us are the correct ones to produce power, but only in interaction with a rotating ELF magnetic field. 

If the signals in the collectors, are identical, opposing, slightly out of phase, I would experiment this way AFTER the ELF rotational field is in place.  This is the only way to see OU and real power. 

Doing the above, we will see vibrations at 7.3 Hz (I already have at 60 Hz).  We will see an AC signal with a DC output.  We will see all the SM clues in play, nothing left out.  I would use a mobius on all ends of the collectors as well.  Experiments will see.

This thread is dedicated to hard working experimenters who have the vision to assist in this endeavour.  I believe this will move our ECD to a TPU.  NOW IS the time to build these pieces and put them together.

With the utmost respect for all those who have spent so long on this project, I dedicate this work you all of you!  I will break the work down, in the future to catagories for all of those who wish to help.  I will make post number 2 of page 1 our build page.  Theory time is over, now we build.

Thank you for your time and may God bless our endeavours,
Bruce
« Last Edit: July 05, 2007, 04:28:19 PM by btentzer »

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Re: *The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2007, 06:53:50 AM »
This page is reserved as the future "Build Page"

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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2007, 04:53:15 PM »
Hello All,

Yes it is true that "Tesla's device used a toroidal IRON core stator on which four coils were wound."

But you are forgetting the most important part.  He was using 25 Hz or more for his rotating field of stationary waves, not 7.3, close to the shumann's.  Remember Marco's dancing magnets?   SM had a strong enough magnetic field to negate the additon or need for an iron core.

It is an induction generator with a "virtual" rotor.  That works because of the "earth magnetic field".  It is because of these rotating fields that DC is created.

The four "coils" are four AC electromagnet with 7.3 Hz  in them and timed to cause rotation.  It is not an accident that SM talks about the compass that spins and stops when the TPU reaches it's potential.  Neither is it coincidence that Tesla's egg spins until it reached potential and then stopped standing on end.

There was no way the open TPU had enough wire for any sort of "antenna".  We know the TPU vibrated at 7.3 Hz because SM said so in the video.

My very first experiment with the TPU was too wrap the toroid with control wire as an electromagnet and to use standard AC 60 Hz through it.  I had the thing vibrating and when I put two frequencies into it, they felt like little marbles.  All of this is posted on my thread, early on, back when everyone thought I was crazy for thinking that three signals should be put in.

I hope that this helps to convince you.  The Egg of columbus showed me WHY SM used AC and why close to the shumanns.  It also explains perfectly the above clues as well as why there are four coils on the open TPU. 

As many of you know I have strongly believed from many clues there was AC in the TPU.  Could now SM have fed it with DC square waves, three frequencies, this gives you AC and fed this into the controls for the four coils to produce the rotating ELF field?  Of course, or he could have run DC square wave into the collectors and inverted AC to the four coils for the rotational field.  Either way, it seems, like it would work.

So in summery:
1.  The 7.3 Hz goes into the four control coils wrapped around the Toroid in four places.  These become powerful AC electromagnets, tapped in to the huge magnetic wave found between 7 Hz and 8 Hz. 

2.  We then spin this field over the Toroid with the three high frequencies within the collectors.  The output is through the control wire wrapped all around each individual collectors.  This would give us three output / three collectors.  These can then be wired in series, parallel or both.

Some would already dismiss without an experiment.  Me thinks that hasty.  ;)

Highest regards,
Bruce
« Last Edit: July 05, 2007, 05:42:31 PM by btentzer »

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 09:14:11 PM »
Some would already dismiss without an experiment.  Me thinks that hasty.  ;)

Sounds interesting enough that I might try to build one.  The hardest part (and ties into SM's vacuum tube / solid state instability / crystal clear stereo comments) would seem to be building a powerful high-current linear 7.8Hz amplifier that does not produce distortion.

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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2007, 09:40:07 PM »
Some would already dismiss without an experiment.  Me thinks that hasty.  ;)

Sounds interesting enough that I might try to build one.  The hardest part (and ties into SM's vacuum tube / solid state instability / crystal clear stereo comments) would seem to be building a powerful high-current linear 7.8Hz amplifier that does not produce distortion.

Hi Eldarion,

I am not interested in putting 7.3 Hz into the collectors.  The way the ECD has the three HIGH frequencies in the collector is correct. 

I am talking about having four (4) electro magnets spaced around the Toroid, each with AC 7.3 Hz.  I have the parts from marco to get AC 7.3 Hz, but the difficult part will be "syncing" the four coils.  As you know an AC electro magnet, reverses poles with each oscillation.  So all four must be synced to give a "full rotation".  This will give us a "virtual" magnetic motor of 438 RPM's.  And only possible because of the earth's magnetic field and the "huge wave" tapped into between 7 Hz and 8 Hz.

I would appreciate any and all help that you can offer this endeavor.  Thank you.

@All
Please remember that this is not a "instead of" what has been done with the ECD.  Rather this is an "addition too".    It will be the rotating magnetic field (egg of Columbus) in the AC electro magnets, plus the three frequencies, primary, harmonic, intermodulation within the collectors.  And then two or three more things in addition to that, that has been discussed on my thread.

High Regards,
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2007, 10:38:44 PM »
Hi All,

Picture this, in a rotating field.  Set up by four coils perpindicular around the Toroid.  The collectors wrapped around the circumference.  And picture in each of these perp. coils this magnetic wave.  Then picture this rotating at 438 rpm's. over the wires with the frequencies, identical signals, different sources/slightly out of phase.

Tesla's Egg meets the three sisters!  :)  (Of the right frequency, waveform and phase)

Highest regards,
Bruce

Marco's Dancing Magnets

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&q=Marcos+dancing+magnets&total=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

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*The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2007, 11:57:56 PM »
Hi Bruce, hi All,

just posted a new idea and schematic at

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2582.msg38506.html#msg38506

and would appreciate peer review of my "rapid fire Rat Race".

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« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2007, 04:40:12 AM »
@Earl

Hold that thought (your circuit, I mean).

That circuit would be a nice marriage to an EMP xxxxOOPs! - I mean an EMP coil turning a new leaf as a TPU!.

I'm working on the design conversion now. It'll take me a bit as I am still taking trouble calls.

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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2007, 07:14:52 AM »
Hi Bruce,

There are a few things that are incorrect in what you are saying.

1. The egg of columbus doesn't stop. When it stands on its end it is rotating at the fastest speed possible.
2. The earths magnetic fields are not involved in induction of a magnetic field in the copper egg.
3. The egg spins because the rotating magnetic field induces a current in the copper egg which in turn creates a separate magnetic field around the egg. This magnetic field will now obviously follow the rotating magnetic field.
4. The egg takes time to synchronise with the magnetic field because the egg has inertia. The fast rotating magnetic field does not have a firm grip on the egg. As the egg speeds up more 'grip' occurs which in turn makes the egg rotate faster. There is no parallel with a compass needle. A compass needle instatly spins in sync with a rotating magnetic field because it is so light in comparison with the magnetic force.
5. A 7.8Hz rotating magnetic field does not create a 7.8 Hz stationary wave within the TPU. A 7.8Hz stationary wave is around 38000km long.

The very fact that the SM compass needle spins slowly and speeds up indicates that the rotating magnetic field is gradually getting faster which is the complete opposite of what is happening in a 2 phase egg of columbus. The magnetic field is spinning at a constant speed and the egg is speeding up because it is playing catch up.

It is NOT the case that you are trying to persuade US that a rotating magnetic field is required. A group of us have been experimenting on this very idea for the last 6 months AND POSTING OUR RESULTS on this forum. The very fact that you are only now 'clicking' on to what we are doing, is you doing 'catch up', not showing us the way.

This is why you see counter circuits posted by Earl for everyone to use. The counter circuits are an easy way of creating a rotating set of pulses into the coils around a TPU, which in turn creates a rotating magnetic field. If you want a 7.8Hz rotating magnetic field set your freq. gen to 7.8Hz. If you have 4 coils then count to 4. 8 coils then count to 8.

You'll also notice phase adjustment circuits for precision phase positioning, and pulse width control - and this was before Bob Boyce confirmed this requirement.

From APRIL:

I had been using one of these:
http://www.oceancontrols.com.au/motor_controller/microstepping_motor_controllers.htm

I had four 'motor' coils arranged on a wooden board in typical 2 phase motor arrangement but all Norths pointing towards the center, so basically pulsing north facing towards center, magnetic pulses in a circle. I placed another air core solenoid over the whole arrangement. i.e. Like placing a pipe vertically over the coils so the circumference of the one pipe covered all the 4 coils. In otherwords this solenoid is at 90 degrees to the four coils.

I placed 12 volts DC from a car battery across this solenoid in series with a 15ohm 20watt resistor.

A function generator pulsed the microstep controller. I had the whole thing running at around 6.8Khz. I was looking at waveforms on the scope to see if the DC coil, even though it was at 90 degrees to the other coils, affected the scope waveform. No real difference detected.

The DC coil was connected to one battery and the microstep and the four coils to another battery. I used two batteries is so that there would be no possibility of electrical noise from the 4 coil switching going over the wires to the DC coil via the common connections to a single battery.

The connection to the DC coil came loose at the battery and was sparking and then POOF the whole microstep controller goes up in smoke. You could smell burnt up electrolytic capacitors and could see resistors burnt out on opening the box up.

Theoretically there should have been no coupling between the DC coil and the four coils... so this is a very interesting result. However, I can't afford to burn up $99+, each time I try this!, so now looking for a cheaper homemade circuit, to continue the 'burning' experiment.


With regards to you saying, on another thread, none of us are listening about DC from a rotating magnetic field. Take a look at just one of many posts I've made on this very subject.


.....
You have now 'realised the circuit potential' because a rotating plane of charged particles causes a rotating magnetic field which can be intersected for useful power, as per the information given by SM.

The useful power would by definition be predominantly DC. But because the wires collecting the output would also be intersected by the rotating radial field generated by the control coils you have a much smaller AC component on top of the DC. If the control coils are pulsed in a circle at 5khz you will have a small insignificant 5khz component on top of DC output.
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By all means do your experiments on rotating magnetic fields and DC output but please don't make out that you're first to the post with the idea.



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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2007, 08:33:48 AM »
Hi Bob.R

I certainly do not claim to have discovered the need for a magnetic rotation field.  This has been talked about at great lengths.  For FAR LONGER than you or I have been on this board.  MY thinking was/is (for experimentation purposes anyway) a desire to do it in a different way, as I have described.  This will probably change, since we have decided to build with three phase and not two.  Some believe that this experiment by Tesla was indeed three phase.  But who knows, eh?

I do not believe that the earth's magnetic field was involved in the induction of the egg!  LOL   ;D  (That was funny!) I was noting it was ELF.  Now if he had been down a little lower, what would have happened to that egg?  Was it the first TPU?  Or part of anyway!  LOL  Perhaps I only think that, oh yea, and one more person.

What I do believe is that at a lower Hz we get more bang for our buck.  Perhaps too much bang, but we will see.  My desire (though I am being swayed from what Bob Boyce has taught) was to tap into the Earths magnetic field between 7 and 8 Hz for our rotational field.  The only reason I can think that some folks can't grasp what I am saying is that they have not watched "marcos dancing magnets" which I posted a link to in above post.

With all due respect, Bob, you do not see a link between Tesla's Egg and what we are trying to do, no problem.  But some of us, more than myself, brought it to my attention and I agree with them..>Lastly, unless you have spun the egg yourself all you have is theory and conjecture as to "why" the egg spun, the same as us.  We see it as helping with our build.  You disagree.  Cool.  That is what is great about experimenting.  For me this is not a matter of being right or wrong, just a "path" we desire to tread to further our understanding. 

As far as doing Catch up on this, perhaps.  For those who have read through my thread I spent much time on EVERY clue, and this was the last one for me.  That is WHY I closed my old thread and started a new one.

Oh, and about the DC output, again very many people over the last...how long, guys, have talked about this.  Now, my reason for bringing it up again, is because I fear some may become so enthralled with the ECD and it's Alternating Current Output, that they lose sight of the other half of the TPU as talked about my MANY on this board including yourself and Confirmed by Bob Boyce.  And that is for the need of a rotating magnetic field.  RMF - THIS is what the ECD is missing.  That was my point, I was just trying to be more, "delicate" in it's delivery.  I DO NOT want to undervalue the ECD in saying that.  But truth be known, it is DC overunity output we are looking for.

Warm Regards Bob, we may not always agree, but you do experiment and not just talk and I LIKE THAT!  ;)

Highest Regards,
Bruce
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2007, 09:24:05 AM »
...With all due respect, Bob, you do not see a link between Tesla's Egg and what we are trying to do, no problem.  But some of us, more than myself, brought it to my attention and I agree with them..>Lastly, unless you have spun the egg yourself all you have is theory and conjecture as to "why" the egg spun, the same as us...

 I do know EXACTLY why the egg SPINS. It is taught in the UK at school when you are about 15 - for me some decades ago. Hands on experiment!! I've seen the egg - felt the egg. IT IS HOW SYNCHRONOUS MOTORS WORK (INDUCTION SQUIRREL CAGE FOR START UP). The irony of the Tesla Egg is that Tesla designed it so that the layman would understand!!! LOL.

Look up synchronous motors/induction motors and perhaps you'll understand. LOL.
The clue for why Tesla used 10Hz can found here!!

Whilst you are at it look up the difference between an electromagnetic wave at 7.8 Hz (ELF) and a rotating magnetic field at 7.8 hz.  LOL.

Good luck!

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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2007, 04:56:59 PM »

 I do know EXACTLY why the egg SPINS. It is taught in the UK at school when you are about 15 - for me some decades ago. Hands on experiment!! I've seen the egg - felt the egg. IT IS HOW SYNCHRONOUS MOTORS WORK (INDUCTION SQUIRREL CAGE FOR START UP). The irony of the Tesla Egg is that Tesla designed it so that the layman would understand!!! LOL.

Look up synchronous motors/induction motors and perhaps you'll understand. LOL.
The clue for why Tesla used 10Hz can found here!!

Whilst you are at it look up the difference between an electromagnetic wave at 7.8 Hz (ELF) and a rotating magnetic field at 7.8 hz.  LOL.

Good luck!

Bob.


Well Bob, you have proved your genius and my ignorance once again....  ;D
Congratulations!

The schools I went to in Philly growing up, one was much more prone for survival than spinning an Egg.  And until recently I had never heard of the "Egg of Columbus".

When too men far more learned than I, (remember I am just an ignorant farmer, peasant from the colonies) brought it to my attention.  This is our thread to build and experiment as WE desire.  The egg was merely meant to talk about a RMF.  I do know that the 6" tpu vibrated at 7.3 hz and that it was "TUNED" to 7.23.  So I will experiment as I please to also replicate that.  I am glad you held an Egg in your hand.  But I am looking for a vibrating TPU at 7.3 Hz, DC overunity output.

This is my last comment on the matter, for WE would like to get back to planning our build.

Thank you, and cheers,
Bruce 

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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2007, 05:46:09 PM »
Excellent!
What I do see are two separate viewpoints.

Both attempting to move forward using an idea. One knows he doesn't have a clear focus on the subject. The other appears to believe he has clear focus. Neither hitting the target, yet.

One probably doesn't completely understand the vectors of a wave. The other seems to forget there is a 'Z' for all waves. Yes, the number used for 'Z' is different between sound and electromagnetic fields because they travel at different velocities.

'ELF' is just a common way to reference the frequencies that seem to impress most here.

By the way, how in the world can an audio speaker work without being resonate. I mean, it can't possibly be resonate. Since the speed of sound is so much slower than light a speaker would have to be huge to work well. Why? because sound is a compression wave and the size of the speaker doesn't need to be a 1/4 wave or some other fraction.

You can't have one type of wave without the other. School girls jumping rope could see it if they would look. The lower the frequency the more pronounced and easier to see the compression.

Take that taught rope and whip one end up and down. The resulting wave will take visible time to reach the other end. At the same instant you are jerking the rope up and down the results can be felt on the other end, long before the wave reaches the person at the other end.

I'm saying the math is correct but the speed variable is wrong. Instead of the speed of light in a conductor try the square of that number. I'm not interested in making a loop resonant at 7.3 - at least not using common antenna calculations. Because I'm not interested in the electrical vector except as a means to an end.

Creating flow in this field will require working with it not against. Maybe that is what SM meant by resonant.

BTW Bob. That unexpected result you mentioned sounds to me like you have gone farther than anyone else toward our common goal.
 

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Re: *The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2007, 07:53:07 PM »
... 'Z' is different between sound and electromagnetic fields because they travel at different velocities.

...because sound is a compression wave and the size of the speaker doesn't need to be a 1/4 wave or some other fraction.

...you can't have one type of wave without the other.

...the results can be felt on the other end, long before the wave reaches the person at the other end.

...Instead of the speed of light in a conductor try the square of that number

...creating flow in this field will require working with it not against.


BEP. I think that has great  potential. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Re: *The Study of the Practical Mechanics for a Working TPU*
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2007, 09:17:55 PM »
>>Pulled ramblings not belonging here.
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