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Offline duruturk52

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How to get hydrogen to use it?
« on: July 03, 2007, 04:15:39 PM »
 Hello
Here is my concern. They say that hydrogen is not a fuel that can be found by itself. They need to produce hydrogen from a water by giving it some energy. I dont understant  how they save energy by combining them back and produce water and electricity, even they loose some of it for sure. Can someone explain that to me please.

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How to get hydrogen to use it?
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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 06:33:00 PM »
I want to make my question more clear.    H2O (water) + energy = H2 + O     Fuel cell makes the reverse of this prossess and gives the energy to the engine, motor or ect. I dont see any gain in here. Anybody has any idea about this?

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 07:13:49 PM »
converting water to hydrogen is known as electrolosis. To date there is no evidence of overunity in this type of system. but there are still some applications for which it is ideal.  A few people have claimed overunity from this type of device but they dont us 'convensional electrolosis'.  a common principle is that by converting energy from one form to another energy is lost (usually in the form of heat).  In order to acheive overunity from water you need a way to break the hydroxy bond using less energy than the hydrogen will create.  Many are trying to and have claimed to do this using frequincies-like breaking a glass its easier to do with the right pitch than it is to do with your fist.         
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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 07:41:06 PM »
I understand what you meant, but there are hundereds of reseches about hydrogen fuel cells. Billions of dollars has been spent for this reseches. There are buildings running on fuel cells. I know that they dont use hydrogen. They use some other gases. Still i dont belive this fuel cell can be energy for us. I havent heart anything to make me belive fuel cell is a some kind of energy for us.

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2007, 01:21:11 AM »
The main reason i see people using fuel cells is because unlike other types of energy-fuel needs no cord.  Batteries work but are less conventional to 'refill' or charge. you can refill your hydrogen in 3 minutes but to refill your battery it could take hours....so we use fuel/fuel cells.
Though, i have done some reading on 'ultra capacitors'/'super-capacitors'/'capatteries'--I believe If we could get these to work at low cost it would be a better more easily obtainable solution to our problems.

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2007, 02:55:36 AM »
Simple, use the sun to release  hydrogen from its container ,water. If you don't like the idea of using generated power to do so and want to call it overunity. Fact is nearly all things  contain Hydrogen .Other power sources ,Nuclear power is overunity or Hydro . Point is there are many many ways to make Hydrogen in a clean and economical way. This does not even get into the new ideas of  frequency generated Hydrogen or release from water. Ever time some one goes public with such technology they seem to disappear. So maybe it is not about how to  do it, but when will we be aloud to do it ?


G W Bush was once quoted at a party saying
"I don't care if they use Hydrogen as long as it comes from my oil"


I 'll tell you this . I would not want to be a mechanic is the future if the cars run on 200 to 600 volt ultra caps at 100kw, Scary!  Or deal with the highly toxic waste if they use batteries . What does it cost in fuel use to make these things? And here again you must use the grid to power these things.


Water is already a self charged battery , we just need to learn how to use it.
IronHead
« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 05:01:03 AM by IronHead »

Offline duruturk52

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 04:29:28 PM »
So you basically say we use hydrogen fuel cells to store our electricity to use it later. than we need to store it as hydrogen in our high presure tangs in our cars or in our homes. What about the waste of fuel cell? Is that ok with the enviroment? Is the high presure tangs safe to use for cars? Is the material of the fuel cell limited as a natural source?

                                                                       Thank you for the response..

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 06:59:15 PM »
The only waste is pure water and pure oxygen .This can be run not only in a Fuel Cell but also right in you old gasoline engine with minor changes to accommodate  this new fuel.Also carbon is what is used to build these tanks.
Carbon , no steel ,aluminum, no exotic metals.

Carbon fiber wound Hydrogen Tanks are far safer than gasoline tanks at the moment.
How many people have a 250 pound LP tank right up next to there house. The new Hydrogen tanks are far safer than the LP tanks as well. Fact is the new standard  tank is shatter proof and backflash proof ....
Watch some of these video to be well informed of the technology .

http://www.lincolncomposites.com/media.html

I especially like the tank of hydrogen  in the bonfire and not exploding as you would think it would.

Question , when you spill gasoline where does it go . It goes right on the ground all around you . It sticks ,it gets absorbed into material and when it burns , well you get the idea. But Hydrogen being the lightest element known if spilled goes up and away from the vehicle . Even if it ignites, it burns  more like a torch , upward and localized fashion instead of a river of flames , engulfing you  such as gasoline might .

The other point I was trying to make is that Water is already a sort of natural hydrogen tank . And water is very safe compared to these other fuels . What I am trying to say is there has been no Mega funding for on demand Hydrogen  from water.
There are two resigns for this . One is because of our wonderful laws of thermal dynamics restricting us from such research on a large scale. As in the minds of the funded scientist it just can not be done according to these 100 year old laws .
The second resign is a complicated one. This has to do with the people that run the show , and we all know who they are .

« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 07:33:54 PM by IronHead »

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 07:49:03 PM »
@ duruturk52: I started where you are about a month ago. I'm guessing most of the people end up here for the same reason: there are plenty of contradictions, and none of the information adds up. You'll likely decide to find out what's true and what isn't on your own.

Ironhead: I understand you completed a project like the one I'm banging away at now... HHO powered small engine with car alternator attached? Did you manage to get your generator to run extensively on 100% Oxyhydrogen?

I'm asking because, it seems to me, if companies like "Canada Hydrogen Co." can guarantee a minimum 10% fuel reduction on their H.O.D. installs on 300HP Tractors, I shouldn't have too much trouble generating enough HO to power my 12HP Briggs. That's the logic that lit a fire under my ass.

Just looking for any advice you're willing to send my way.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2665.0.html

Also: I read somewhere that you have a larger engine for your next project. I'm also expecting delivery of a crated 1.8 liter Volkswagon engine (80HP) in a couple of weeks. I've contacted Sanlin in China to order a new 25KW genhead. Expecting price to be in the $400.00 range. Still awaiting response.

--Mark.



« Last Edit: July 07, 2007, 09:20:34 PM by Aphasiac »

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 01:26:20 AM »
 I've seen DAH LIGHT ,, you can use hydrogen as an extra booster to most fuels and get some economy. Iornheads statement is at best the closest method. Some say overunity, in reality most of the use is just straight forward electrolysis, and very beneficial to mix in small quantities to run your car on and get better mileage. You have to remember the engine is 4 Strokes ! theres where you lose the overunity < IT takes more fuel just to push the engine through 3 strokes, even when you have the timing of say 3 or 4 cylinders not com-busting and 1 is in sequence. Study and learn. we need as many people working on these things and teaching others , what they have learned. I'm trying to build a 1 stroke hydroxy motor 12 cylinder Overunity maby not- GREEN oh hell yes ! we need to think GREEN or we'll pollute this world out of existence. You think the rich guys care hell no , they could care less, we pay the price not them. we don't have to beat them. we just do the right thing for ourselves and more will follow! If the people are satisfied with OIL then let them have it. I feel that there are other alternatives and I going to use them. I'm not going to sit around and let someone tell me this is the only way or listen to some naysayer predict my future and put everyone down that has an idea to make a better world to live in. BIG Business doesn't care about you they just spin it to make you believe THEY DO !  ok I ranted enought hahahah   HIT DA BOOKS AND STUDY or you just might be lazy like meee------- I hope you remember this everytime you fill up that car with forigen gas , It's don't run on SAND!

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2008, 04:41:04 PM »
this h20 2 hh0 stuff is a touchy subject....   kinda like the tpu eh? 

well it does in fact work..   and there hundreds of vids explaining how to do it

now if we could only do it with almost no current .....  hummm 

sounds like 0 zone to me  ;)

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2008, 05:33:59 PM »
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     There is this man in florida who discovered that if you take a saltwater solution and expose it to radio waves, out through the top comes a bubbling energy brew.  Seems that the distribution of sodium and chloride ions in the solution stresses the hydrogen to oxegen polar bond.  Then when a kick goes through the solution the electrons do their little dance and the bond is broken. 

   Keely also did this with sound waves.  The trick is the salt.  Water without the ions form a seven molecule ring.  Any energy input is absorbed by this molecular configuration and we get cavitation in the solution and no disassociation.  The salt ions bust up this little gang and now the water molecules are standing on their own stressed out by the sodium and chloride ions.  Then through this field a kick is propogated.  The magnetic dipoles of the atoms chase the light and this is the straw that breaks the camels back. ;D

    Anybody who has worked with batteries or electrolysis will immediately see the advantages to using RF over conventional 1/2 reactions using electrodes.

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Re: How to get hydrogen to use it?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2008, 02:49:38 AM »
the Kanzius thing looks a lot like a sodium reaction to me  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqDWbknpiVk&feature=related

 

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