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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2007, 09:46:35 PM »
The only "requirement" for an OU device is that it "increase energy in and of itself".  A free-energy device only has to collect or harness energy - a windmill spins for free - solar cells colelct for free - after the inital cost that is.

Edgar Cayce made this clear a long time ago when he chanelled the design of a motor that ran perpetually - based on two fluids with different viscosities.  Info flow was cut off when world events changed for the worse.

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What do the following devices have in common?

Boyce dominant energy ring
SM TPU
Molina-Martinez device
Leedskalnin motor
Gunderson SS device
Stephan Marinov's MAGVID (magnetic hyper-ionization device)

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@Bob B - notice any distortion inside the ring or "bands"?  Like a mirage.


Edit: the verticle component of Earth's magnetic field, at about 50,000 nT field strength, yields a  Larmor frequency of 175 khz (determined by the Zeeman splitting of the cesium ground state - atomic magnetometer)

« Last Edit: July 12, 2007, 10:57:33 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2007, 10:41:04 PM »
The GWEN-Towers of the HAARP-Project are sending waves at 175kHZ.
The ionosphere is manipulated by the US transmitter, called HAARP, in Alaska, (High frequency Active Auroral Research Program).
The natural geomagnetic waves are replaced through artificially produced VLF (low frequencies ground waves), which proceed from GWEN Towers. GWEN (Ground Wave Emergency network) transmitter stand all 200 miles across the USA and permit it so to the technology to steer the geomagnetic field artificially. One operates 150 and 175 kHz with VLF. Furthermore with UHF waves between 225 - 400 MHz. The VLF of signals go all over the earth. A GWEN station sends signals on average up to 300 miles. Each Tower is ft high on average 299-500

I understand that magnets seem to produce (resonate) an output near 175 KHz
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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2007, 11:42:00 PM »
Below I have posted a graph of three composed square waves - notice how they approximate the inverse sine function.

I've been wondering why there has to be separate control coils? Certainly, it must afford a degree of flexiblity, but I'm just not knowledgable enough to know.

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2007, 02:38:10 AM »
Anything and everything relating to 7.xx Hz would be interesting if the Shaumann REsonance frequency had not shift to somewhere around 10 or 11 Hz.  Also Bob mentioend in an early post that he doubted that SM tuned to this low freq and that the discharge was more representative of a mugh higher frequency.  Also, SM has mentioned RF burns on several occasions as well as precise frequency control.

As for "ASYMMETRY" I don't agree 100%.

It is a little known fact that a rotating magnetic field will change a curled vector potential into a divergence - a dipole.  It is also little known that the inside and outside may not be pointing the same direction as the field rotates.

As has been posted about several times before, magnets do have a frequency and it is on the order of about 175 khz - far above 7 Hz.  I read somewhere that Tesla used this freq in some of his devises, but have not confirmed this.  There are something like 5 different classifications of magnetism and they all have a frequency - ferromagnetic is around 175 khz.  Find the others and you got something to talk about.

Then there is the newly explored world of "spintronics" where scientist hope to harness the a known aspect of electrons - they spin and this spin creates a "spin current" - which is very hard to control.  An elxtric field will produce a transverse force on a spin field - similar to the Hall effect.  Also, spin currents do not interact with the environment like charge current does - spin currents produce little heat.  One could also surmise that a spin field will produce a transverse force on a magnetic field - which would induce a current...

Go further and we see that everything has the primal element of spin - everything.  Neutrons have spin but no charge (neutrinos - ala Tesla's RE also have no charge), protons spin and have positive charge, electrons spin with negative charge.  When an electric charge is applied to a wire and the electrons rotate to align their axis to the potential - before they drift and create a current, what are the neutrons and protons doing?  The proton should also rotate since it is charged.  What is the neutron doing?

So, harness the spin and you got the keys to the universe. 

Grumpy the Schumann resonances (note plural) are a range from around 7hz to around 42 hz. There has been no real change, however there are local disruptions, and even global disruptions like solar flares etc, which can last for over a year, however, the overall range is the same. I've researched this in detail. If you can provide source material to show me otherwise, I would be willing to read it open mindedly. Scientists disagree on this, is the best we could come to if we decided to pursue this debate.

However, the 7.8hz thing with regard to Marco's experiment is not necessarily a Schumann phenomena, anyway, and should pique any scientifically minded person's interest without regard to anything else. The point is, is that something is happening here. There is something special with that frequency. It is not just coincidence that this happens with those magnets, that the earth seems to resonate at that frequency, and that our minds, that right, our brainwaves, do as well. All alpha, beta, and gamma waves that our brains produce, fall within the Schumann range. We are a product of our environment after all.

As to the 175khz thing. I know where it comes from, and I've tested this, along with just about anyone who has a frequency generator a coil, and magnet who is interested in FE.

Nobody that I know personally has ever seen any result which confirms this in any way.

But again, that's not the point. The point is, that magnetism is NOT supposed to have a frequency component, in and of itself.

@bruce, context is your friend.

At any rate, this is off topic and should be discussed in another thread, or in PMs.


Rich

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2007, 03:34:18 AM »
I know what the Schumann Resonances are.  I'd have to search for the "Shumann Freq has changed" source, but this is not important.  [By the way, 7.5 hz is a measured circumferal harmonic of the earth - based on it's diameter (8 hz being a mathematical estimate based on diameter)].

The point I was trying to make, which everyone seems to have missed, is that a rotating magnetic field can meet the requirement of "increasing energy in and of itself".

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@Bob B - are the polarities of the primaries and the secondary the same?

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2007, 06:07:00 AM »
The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.

I comment here simply to make the observation that the TPU and other related devices (Aurelano's "Mexican device" and Hollingsheads devices) all appear to embody spinor resonance configurations. No one seems to have noticed this as yet... Regretably the quaternion maths to describe spinors is hardly taught outside the one practical application of 3D rotations in 3D applications. Visualization of quaternion and spinors is even less know -- barely done at all.

I have been working on new vizualizations of spinors and have discovered a diverse range of coil configurations that make sense from the point of creating (or tuning into) spinor resonance but are nonsensical in any other context. I supose I can release one image now -- all of the apparent "coils" in the attached image are actually snapshots of trace lines through 3D space as it is distorted by a radiating spinnor. -- forget any intuition borrowed from simple axial rotation as you look at this image. Spinors work quite differnetly -- the spin direction and axis are indicated by the white arrow in the foreground. If you look closley you will also note that the traces spirall in counterwound fashion.

anyway... a lot of what people are stumbling onto appears to make good sense from the standpoint of spinor resonance which, as you can see, is very different from simple single axis rotational systems.

I also attached a (sorry for the blur) scope trace showing output of a passive 3 phase resonator. The phase separation is not perfect in this shot -- it's very dificult to tune perfectly and reject the background single phase resonance in the component coils. The 3 phase resonance has a Q >10x the Q for single phase resonance of component coils and is very difcult to tune into. If you didn't know it was there it would be extreemly dificult to find.

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2007, 07:09:41 AM »
The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.


A truly amazing post, Dr. Snoswell!

This one post helps to explain so much of what is transpiring.  Including how the three frequencies interact on the TPU, without mixing together.  Any pictures or further 3D drawings of your own orthogonal coil setup would be good.

And the tuning is to precise phase of the three frequencies to bring this "resonance" as shown by your scope shot.  It is also interesting that you are indeed using sinewaves.  Many are attempting to tune to precise phase with square waves, overlapping.

Hmmm.....

"Now, if we tune the angular frequency of the small rotating field so that it exactly matches the precession frequency in the original static magnetic field,  all the magnetic moment will see in the rotating frame is the small field in the x-direction!  It will therefore precess about the x-direction at the slow angular speed   This matching of the small field rotation frequency with the large field spin precession frequency is the ?resonance?.

If the spins are lined up preferentially in the z-direction by the static field, and the small resonant oscillating field is switched on for a time such that  the spins will be preferentially in the y-direction in the rotating frame, so in the lab they will be rotating in the x,y plane, and a coil will pick up an ac signal from the induced emf."

The following is for the very math savvy:
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/classes/751.mf1i.fall02/Spin.htm

Hmm......  Much more study needed of these "spinor" spins..

@ Bob B.
Is your input to phase, square or sine? 


Cheers,
Bruce
« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 10:58:55 AM by btentzer »

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2007, 07:13:59 AM »
hey  :)
Your image looks like the "wobbling spinning top" which constantly remains on the edge of falling down and going back up due to energy feed control and gyroscopic balancing force.
i had that image in mind for a long time, thanks.

M.

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2007, 09:22:34 AM »
The three components and frequencies required for "interesting" results corelates with requirments for creating spinors. This is unpublished work so dont bother searching for it -- I would post animations but cant due to the size restrictions for attachments...

A simple spin 1/2 spinor can be constructed from 3 nested (referenced) harmonic oscillations of x, 2x and x frequencies in 3 orthogonal axis. It is possible to make real world circuits that exhibit spinor characteristics. I have sets of 3 orthognal coils that form a passive 3 phase resonator in which positive and negative phase rotation directions are distinguishable independantly of view. I was pleasantly suprised to find that strong resonance can also be achieved by tuning the component coils to x, 2x and x. -- to be absolutly clear these coils sets create passive 3 phase resonators that result in rotational fields and most importantly the two rotation directions are view independantly rocognizable in the same way left and right helices (and positive and negative charge) are distinct. It is also posible to make spin 1/2 neutral spinors in which the field is spinning but with no net view independant rotation -- as in neutrons.

I comment here simply to make the observation that the TPU and other related devices (Aurelano's "Mexican device" and Hollingsheads devices) all appear to embody spinor resonance configurations. No one seems to have noticed this as yet... Regretably the quaternion maths to describe spinors is hardly taught outside the one practical application of 3D rotations in 3D applications. Visualization of quaternion and spinors is even less know -- barely done at all.

I have been working on new vizualizations of spinors and have discovered a diverse range of coil configurations that make sense from the point of creating (or tuning into) spinor resonance but are nonsensical in any other context. I supose I can release one image now -- all of the apparent "coils" in the attached image are actually snapshots of trace lines through 3D space as it is distorted by a radiating spinnor. -- forget any intuition borrowed from simple axial rotation as you look at this image. Spinors work quite differnetly -- the spin direction and axis are indicated by the white arrow in the foreground. If you look closley you will also note that the traces spirall in counterwound fashion.

anyway... a lot of what people are stumbling onto appears to make good sense from the standpoint of spinor resonance which, as you can see, is very different from simple single axis rotational systems.

I also attached a (sorry for the blur) scope trace showing output of a passive 3 phase resonator. The phase separation is not perfect in this shot -- it's very dificult to tune perfectly and reject the background single phase resonance in the component coils. The 3 phase resonance has a Q >10x the Q for single phase resonance of component coils and is very difcult to tune into. If you didn't know it was there it would be extreemly dificult to find.

Gyroscopic forces, precession, spinning a sphere in two directions at the same time. It hits a lot of points. I have to admit.

Excellent post.

Rich

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2007, 11:02:29 AM »
In response to questions in a few PM's.

One of my recent activities is as founder and president of the Computer Graphics Society www.CGSociety.org

I have been lurking around this field for a long time. I have rarely posted anywhere before because of the low signal to noise ratio in public forums. I am posting here now because I noticed a good signal to noise ratio and a number of people that are doing real work and thinking.

I have been doing some caerfull experiments in a number of areas for a a number of years. The research and experiments are aimed at understanding what is really happening rather then trying to duplicate others work.

I have visited some very interesting people and groups that are very secretive. Steven Marks TPU is not unique -- it has almost exactly the same behaviour, artifacts, failure modes etc as at least one other groups technology that I have seen.

I have been developing conceptual models for spacetime, particles (spinor waves) and spherical wave interactions etc for some years now. Spinors are central to this -- I cant stress enough just how different real spherical rotation (spinor) is to the common concept of rotation. No one will fully understand untill you see the animations and play with the parameters -- lots of them.

One of the rare posts I made a while ago is here http://marksnoswell.cgsociety.org/gallery/329928 it's rough and unedited but will interest the readers here.

I believe I have a good conceptual model that fits with current theories but simply explains what is happening in areas that embarass current theories -- things like black holes, renormalization, and the ratio of gravity to electromagnetic forces. When I find time to present it well I'll put it up on the web. It also appears to fit with a number of features people ar stumbling onto in areas such as the TPU -- it also neatly supports Randal Mills CQM. However what is most encouraging is that it has suggested practical devices and experiments which are exhibiting predictable and novel features in early research.

AH -- I see I miss read the attachment limitation previously -- I can upload some of the animations. Attached is a recent development I made -- it's a simple three shell solution for a spinor. There are three nested shells - each linkes to the next. There is a simple harmonic rotation on each shell as shown. This demonstrates the application of 3 components -- two at a fundamental frequency and one at the second harmonic -- that combine to create a spinor. I made this development in response to the desire to come up with a spinor fomulation that I coul make from nested coils. I believe that this (and it's topoligical equivelants) is the simplest posible formulation of a spinor. The practical side of the research is in early stages but appears to support the theory so far.

goto go now.

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2007, 03:56:09 PM »
Hello MarkSnoswell,

Hmmmm..... Very interesting animation! Reminds me of a couple of quotes from Steven Mark:

"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that? If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball, and you could rotate it in two directions, what would the ramifications be?"

and

"Listen, you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly
around the collector coils.

There need to be three of them all the way around.
start them up one at a time each.

First frequency then second harmonic component into the second,
then the third."

The "second harmonic component" seems to line up with your idea of using x, 2x, x harmonics. Can the effect still work if all three frequencies are the same and just phase shifted?

God Bless,
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« Reply #71 on: July 13, 2007, 04:02:12 PM »
Hello All,

Some people here had asked earlier about the square vs. sine wave input to make the rotating field. In my oppinion, you can use the square waves to 'tap' the coils into resonance, and at that point the waveform will actually turn into a sine wave. The beauty of doing it this way is that you can use an extremely short, quick pulse to accomplish this, and the resulting sine wave will always been a much higher amplitude then the same wave with purely sinusoidal input. Also, it is very energy efficient to do it this way since you're not constantly driving current through the coil as you would with a sine wave input. For those who haven't seen it, I posted a video on YouTube demonstrating this very effect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEYlmsMmyw

The trick to getting the higher amplitudes at resonance is NOT grounding the coil, it has to float. One more thing, I didn't show this in the video but you will get a higher amplitude sine wave at resonance with a shorter pulse width than a longer one.

God Bless,
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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2007, 04:41:47 PM »
just time for some quick notes...

Must have pulses for (efficent) OU effects... you need a spin wave front. If the core effect is due to spin waves fronts driving spinor resonance then the timing of component signals within SM TPU configuration will not be what you expect -- Start with full control of pulse timing and separation for three drive coils and just tune up one at a time.

Drive coils dont need to be closed -- leave them open circuit and it will still work (with dramatically lower input requirment). It's the spin pulse on potential jump that is the motive force. This is the pulse Edison engineers noticed and Tesla called the radiant pulse. By wrapping a collector wire with the drive coil the resulting spin wave front drives current down the central collector coil -- this is what SM alluded to as "like squezing water along a hose". (Ideally the potential pulse is so short that it can be contained within a percentage of the drive coil -- there will be an optimum pulse width but that probably a lot shorter then anyone is using at present.)

Static bias potentials -- both electric and magnetic -- can/need-to be controled for tuning. (This can be used to modulate the output for ease of matching/forming to power grid frequency.)

There is an exponential relationship of static potential to output -- drive with high voltage pulses for maximum effect. Conversly you will have a hard time tuning devices with low voltage pulses.

Start with sine waves and you wont get anywhere. -- you will get lots of nice rotating fields but no easy access to interesting effects.

cheers

mark.

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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2007, 04:52:45 PM »
Dr. Snoswell,

Thank you for confirming what Jason (JDO 300) had posted.  We thought this all along, we just wanted to absolutely verify.   ;)

Warm regards,
Bruce

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Re: Talking about phase...
« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2007, 06:19:35 PM »
Great detail and explanation into the wire loops.

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/94/12/6013

And 'A Sound of Thunder' was always my favorite Ray Bradbury story. Great kinematics! The 'Butterfly effect' was a take off from this.

I noticed in your wire loop graphic there is no copper in the wire cores. ;) I spent a large amount time going through all the CGS links. Real eye candy.

--giantkiller. Great post. Thanks.
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