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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #300 on: July 05, 2007, 01:31:14 AM »
@gn0stik

What is disrespectful is showing the world you have a working TPU and then hiding it and then hiding behind some-else. Whatever could be said or done on this board is but a tip of a needle compared to the level of such disrespect for the world. Bahhh. 9400 posts and still counting. Call Guiness - quick. Stay tuned to a thread near you.

@Brnbrade

Back to things that really matter. I have asked if it is possible to provide the capacitor values in your tests. On page 20 of this thread, Reply #198, I have posted your pictures with numbers Trial #1 to #5. If you could please refer to these pictures and provide the cap values, this would be minimal for those who have done as you asked to build the device, and we need this to do your replication. Now if your intervention is a learning process, those cap values are part of the process.

As for your second trials, this is very fine, but while you do this, we can at least replicate your first trials. I also understand why you are doing this is to obtain output stability. Farland said this device is like a battery, and like all batteries, I suspect they eventually die. But it is a very good base to build on and we thank you for that.

Also, having a social life is fine. We all have that too, but you came to this board to show and you asked us to build, now we need the cap values to finalize. This is minimal and would take only 5 minutes.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #301 on: July 05, 2007, 02:51:43 AM »
Quote
Last point, but you are not going to like it. Stop talking about SM. He is a total distraction to this endeavor. Stop talking about him and start using your own brains. There is over 9000 posts on SM so what more is there to say? Take back your power. THIS IS NOT A TPU, THIS IS AN ECD. The only power that SM's TPU is drawing in, is your will power. Every few posts and someone starts saying SM said this, SM said that, Enough already. I feel like we're being wacthed by the SM police. Who's spending all these hours, days and months? The guy's a loser for having shafted the world and you guys venerate his every word. I can say alot about this but will not say more here. Stefan, I know. Stay tuned to a new thread near you.

@gn0stik

What is disrespectful is showing the world you have a working TPU and then hiding it and then hiding behind some-else. Whatever could be said or done on this board is but a tip of a needle compared to the level of such disrespect for the world. Bahhh. 9400 posts and still counting. Call Guiness - quick. Stay tuned to a thread near you.

@Brnbrade

Back to things that really matter. I have asked if it is possible to provide the capacitor values in your tests. On page 20 of this thread, Reply #198, I have posted your pictures with numbers Trial #1 to #5. If you could please refer to these pictures and provide the cap values, this would be minimal for those who have done as you asked to build the device, and we need this to do your replication. Now if your intervention is a learning process, those cap values are part of the process.

As for your second trials, this is very fine, but while you do this, we can at least replicate your first trials. I also understand why you are doing this is to obtain output stability. Farland said this device is like a battery, and like all batteries, I suspect they eventually die. But it is a very good base to build on and we thank you for that.

Also, having a social life is fine. We all have that too, but you came to this board to show and you asked us to build, now we need the cap values to finalize. This is minimal and would take only 5 minutes.

Thank you in advance.


Wattsup,

I see you are capable of generating your own noise too  :D

Give Steven Mark a break. He is human and not perfect. Perhaps he sold out for the invention, but that's already water under the bridge.

The fact that he reached out to one individual and conveyed as much information as he was allowed (and more), demonstrates in my mind that he is trying to make up for the past. Despite what you may now believe, and what I used to believe as well, he has provided sufficient information, or clues rather to crack the secret of the TPU.

You are right, in the strict sense, the ECD is not a TPU, nor is the Cook coil. This I am going to hopefully prove in a next post.

Also, I'm glad to see someone else asking for clarification on brnbade's build.

Regards,
Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #302 on: July 05, 2007, 07:00:09 AM »
@bob.rennips

Thanks for your info, but geez, if you look at Brnbrade's unit, mine is exactly the same, same winding directions and same connection points. Also on Farlands patent, his Figure 2 is identical to mine. But, I will try the other way when I get home as with other configurations, since Brnbrade has not indicated the cap values, etc. I'd like to know what type of capacitor he is using in Trail #1 and #2, please.

As for the core, in the patent Farland states " The iron core A may be solid bar or a bundle of iron wire, the latter giving higher tension to the current with equal length and fineness of wire.

Also, would you agree that when Farland refers to the Primary, he means our secondary and vise versa.

Lastly, for start-up Farland refers to the possibility of using a magnet, an electro magnet or by winding a second Primary on the coils. This sounds like a good idea and can be done easilly. I think this is what Brnbrade has highlighted in his reply #265 on page 27.

I would agree that Farland uses the terms primary/secondary in opposite sense to what we normally understand.

I think we all agree this must be an oscillating system. This in turn means the wire lengths, including the wire connecting the coils together MUST BE identical in each coil set, other wise one coil set will have a different resonance frequency to the other, and as you want one coil set to 'ping' the other coil set they both have to be identical. As you know at resonance the impedance is effectively 0, leaving only the wire resistance.

The Aspden paper makes it clear that the plates of the capacitor need to be elevated to a high voltage to overcome loses due to resistance. To get high voltage on those unconnected aluminimum tubing you're going to need some pulses, the sharper and higher the voltage the better. I know for a fact that collapsing BEMF will charge these plates from the stuff I've been doing. Ideally you'd want alternate pulses into each coil set at the resonant frequency. I'm going to be sparking mine from an ignition coil into both coil sets on the assumpton that there will enough random pulse sequences to start the oscillation off. I reckon sparking from a 12V battery may be sufficient.

Alternatively you could apply level HV to each of the aluminium tubing.

I guess the first thing to check is to ensure each current circuit from primary of one coil set to secondary of the other coil set has the same resonance responce. As you know this can be done by pulsing the circuit with a square wave from a freq. gen without the ground connected, and seeing what freq. gives max voltage.

If you look at Earl's original drawing here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.msg37680.html#msg37680

You will see that there is not a current  circuit from batttery +ve to -ve. At first I thought this was wrong. This battery is really acting like a capacitor in this circuit and I believe somehow primes the coil winding from a capacitance point of view.

So to summarise to get working IMO:

1. coil sets identical - resonance matching.
2. 3v perhaps even 12V to prime the circuit from a capacitance viewpoint.
3. HV pulses into the windings.
4. Luck!

I believe getting a high voltage on the unconnected capacitor tubing, either indirectly or directly, along with starting up the oscillations, is the key.


« Last Edit: July 05, 2007, 11:22:21 AM by bob.rennips »

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Important update Cook + Dr. Aspen
« Reply #303 on: July 05, 2007, 10:22:51 AM »
Hi All,

I had a feeling, an intuition, yesterday that I should search for Dr. Harold Aspen and give him a call.  We telephoned yesterday about his high-voltage concentric capacitors and he mentioned that he had a very recent update on his Web site.  I downloaded this file, transformed it to PDF, and attach it.

Bruce, please attach this PDF on page 1, post 1.

I suggest everyone reading this.

Dr. Aspen also mentions the same thing that I mentioned about any metallic tubing or layer, regardless of the material.  If you wrap a layer of aluminum around a solenoid winding, you create a one-turn short circuit.  I have difficulty believing that this is positive.  In my opinion, a short-circuit is a big NO-NO and should be avoided by either making a longitudinal slit or using insultating material.

I attach some photos of an aluminized insulator.  Should prevent short circuits.
I will shortly have more images of what Dr. Aspen and I mean about non-short-circuit winding technics.

Whether the Cook device is a low-voltage inductively coupled oscillator, or a high-voltage capacitive arrangement, or both, is a big question.  Questions can only be solved by experiments.

Regards, Earl

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FARLAND COOK_Brnbrade_AVOID SHORT-CIRCUIT
« Reply #304 on: July 05, 2007, 10:38:11 AM »
Hi All,

here is an image explaning how to make an alu layer without causing a short circuit.

Regards, Earl

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #305 on: July 05, 2007, 11:24:38 AM »
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« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 05:38:43 PM by duff »

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Open Letter to Brnbrade
« Reply #306 on: July 05, 2007, 11:38:05 AM »
Hi all
My secund test.
My secund device is named MagicCoils v2.0  ;D ... I accept suggestions  ;)

I will begin in this project the most didactic. Step by Step.
I only want the friends' patience, I have social life and time for many other things.
Not only besides experiments.
Don't replicate before my tests...

Voyl?

Dear Brnbrade, dear Doug56, Bruce, et al,

My dear friend Brnbrade, until now I think you could say I have been very supportive.
Now that you say that you accept suggestions, I am going to make some suggestions.
My suggestions will be very frank and direct.  We do not have much time left, water from snow melt is rapidly disappearing, the atmospheric oxygen level is falling rapidly.  I have no time to play games.

Because you are limited in your time and resources, just like everyone else here in the forum including myself, I made the effort to help you by drawing images.  I would like to suggest that before starting on another project that you take a few seconds to comment on the efforts that I made to document your schematic.  These few seconds will not impact your social life and I am not asking you to save the world.  What I am asking is that you show basic courtesy to myself and other forum members.

My suggestion is to answer the polite and patient questions from your forum research colleges about the exact test setup where the H4 auto lamp is brightly glowing.  Many want to duplicate this, but you are ignoring them.  By quickly moving on to another experiment, you give me the impression that you are playing games.

Respectfully, Earl
Sorry Bruce, but even good natured, patient Earl, can be pushed too far.

@brnbrade, please confirm whether or not Earl's diagram is correct. Also if you have any details to add about where the bat is connected that would be nice. Also what type of radio did you use when you powered your coil with a radio? And was the output speaker output or headphone output.

If you want to answer in portugese or spanish that's fine.

Rich

Hi Brnbrade,
can you please document your device some more ?
Also can you rebuild 2 more devices and see, if they will
also work ?
Many thanks.

The instructions we have thus far are insufficient. Nobody is attacking anyone, just asking for the whole story. Simple questions are easy to answer. But so far they have been sidestepped by the only person who should be comping at the bit to answer them.

@Brnbrade
As for your second trials, this is very fine, but while you do this, we can at least replicate your first trials. I also understand why you are doing this is to obtain output stability. Farland said this device is like a battery, and like all batteries, I suspect they eventually die. But it is a very good base to build on and we thank you for that.

Also, having a social life is fine. We all have that too, but you came to this board to show and you asked us to build, now we need the cap values to finalize. This is minimal and would take only 5 minutes.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #307 on: July 05, 2007, 12:39:52 PM »
I can actually help here...even though...well you know, its interesting at least..

The aluminum foil technique is called "faraday shielding"it is very common and aluminum is the best thing for this...look up pulse induction metal detector coils. the spacing of this shield is critical in detector coils.

Did i ever mention that I make metal detector coils.?

This may help some folk explore this cook coil phenomenon that has taken many peoples imagination by storm..Put it to good use and explore it for all it is worth....you never know.
All that electrical energy required to create that aluminum...imagine if you could get it back somehow!!

I don't know that there is nothing to find here , There could be lots to discover I do however ,on good authority KNOW that this coil arrangement is not a TPU. The ecd does use the tpu conversion process....so it is similar (a horse told me so).

That does not mean that people should not use all the infromation kindly provided by the experimenters to replicate this cook device......I do think that there is much,much more info on the TPU...Yes its hard and this looks easy..even a patent to copy...time will tell.



Im pretty sure that "conversion" is not exactly easy for people to learn yet..of course eventually it will look ......so simple...just like lighting a fire! Learning is hard and fun!

Good luck and good  work to every body

Im having a break from trying to help here ..Im not very good at it lately. Perhaps the language barrier has me as well.

Back to my accellerator stations 1................2........3.....

brnbrade,
People will exaggerate and misinterpret "your" findings then blame you when "their" expectations are not met...
They don't mean to hurt you,   they just do!
And it helps them ,not one bit.

Lindsay Mannix




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Aluminum foil in 1871 ?
« Reply #308 on: July 05, 2007, 01:09:33 PM »
Thanks for your post, Lindsay.
I know Faraday shielding very well as EE with 40+ years experience.
The big question is the lack of materials in 1871.  This is only 40 years after Faraday discovered interesting things.  Did insulated wire even exist in 1871?  He did not have alu foil at the grocery store in Dodge City.  Tinfoil may have existed at the time, but this would be magnetic most likely.  His patent would not have given any protection if additional layers had not been mentioned in it.

Many have tried to replicate Cook, including forum member Turbo, but until now I only know of Brnbrade who claims to have had success.  The only reasons why this has caught my eye are
Dr. Harold Aspen, a retired physicist mentioned it in a theoretical paper presented at the Berlin energy conference, and
Brnbrade claims to have replicated successfully

Two claims and a theoretical background give this device some legitimacy.

I personally fee that Aspen's capacitor version without cross-linked coils would have more chance of success because:
capacitors can have much lower losses than coils
power increases as the square of the voltage, whereby losses increase as the square of the current

RE: TPU and rotating fields, my next schematic is almost ready, I call it the "rapid fire Rat Race" because it generates signals to cause the magnetic field to rotate very qucikly like a rat chasing its own tail.

Regards, Earl
I can actually help here...even though...well you know, its interesting at least..

The aluminum foil technique is called "faraday shielding"it is very common and aluminum is the best thing for this...look up pulse induction metal detector coils. the spacing of this shield is critical in detector coils. [snip]
Lindsay Mannix

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Avoid short circuit
« Reply #309 on: July 05, 2007, 01:17:00 PM »
Earl,

This would explain why I get nothing.  I will re-wind two more tonight that way. 

Odd question, the patent looks to have tubes, would the Aluminum tubes not be a short?  Maybe there is a cut in they can did not make the patent to protect Cook?

Patents are often writen and drawn not to give out all secrets.  Also the claims have to be writen very intelligently, as broadly as possible, and to cover things without mentioning them.
Yes, a solid alu tube with no slit would present a one-turn short circuit.

Have fun.  Regards, Earl


Only weird thing I get is if I use one certain post on mine, the meter goes right to 0VAC, like a short.
And I used all coated copper wire.

Will rebuild tonight, have steel rod now too.  Maybe find re-bar today.


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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #310 on: July 05, 2007, 01:45:40 PM »
@All,
I have some more testing to do on my Brnbrade coil.  I have completed the construction, although I noticed the primary winding seems to be shorted to the inner aluminium tube somehow - may have been when I put the tube in the drill chuck.

I may need to rewind both too if it is a requirement to insulate the foil as you wrap it onto the windings.

@Brnbrade,
Please post a schematic of your design.

Afixar por favor um diagrama esquem?tico de seu projeto.

Regards
Rob

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Re: Open Letter to Brnbrade
« Reply #311 on: July 05, 2007, 02:47:56 PM »

Dear Brnbrade...

My suggestion is to answer the polite and patient questions from your forum research colleges about the exact test setup where the H4 auto lamp is brightly glowing.  Many want to duplicate this, but you are ignoring them.  By quickly moving on to another experiment, you give me the impression that you are playing games.

Respectfully, Earl
Sorry Bruce, but even good natured, patient Earl, can be pushed too far.


@ Brnbade

Earl is absolutely right: moving to another project without shedding light on this one gives the impression that you  want to play some kind of game. Why move to something else if:

A. Your experiment was successfull enough to brightly light a 50-60 watts light bulb, and

B. Your setup was genuine and you have, like you said, no intention of deceiving anyone.
Maybe you didn't think of this situation in those terms, but be assured that sweeping everything under the carpet and quickly moving to something else would be a total lack of respect for all of those on this forum who have trusted you, and it would have a substantial negative impact your credibility. So please carefully reconsider.

Regards,

Jacob

     

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #312 on: July 05, 2007, 04:16:02 PM »
@all

Decided to take a break last night for some quiet fishing time. Found two nice lakes called Trial 1 and Trial 2. Did'nt know how big the fish were so I put on some 3V, to 12V test line and tried so many lures my fingers were getting numb.

Here's a picture of my lures. I guess the fish were not bitting at all.

Tried fishing in many many ways, even switching around my fishing rod.

I guess I will  have to make a new fishing rod, line and "tackle" this problem once more.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #313 on: July 05, 2007, 04:47:11 PM »
Been reading and had a thought, has anyone tried to use an outboard oscillator to "tickle or kickstart" the coils?

Use a blocking oscillator or a plain old 555 timer circuit using a small torrid coil to influence the  coils?

Another thought regarding the matched tank circuits would be to introduce a variable resistor in the circuit to adjust the resonant frequency of one set of coils to match the other? I suggest this since there is an inherent capacitance in the circuit and the inclusion of a variable resistor will change the time constant for us.

Vacation time starts for me on Saturday so I will be in the lab with my coils trying some of this as well. Just wanting to share a few thoughts for those with already built units.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #314 on: July 05, 2007, 05:02:07 PM »
Hi Brnbrade,

A onde voc? conecta a bateria de 12V 7AMP come?a acima suas bobinas?
Que s?o as etapas exatas para seguir o come?o as bobinas?
Obrigado.

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?Con d?nde usted conecta la bater?a de 12V 7AMP comienza para arriba sus bobinas?
?Cu?l son los pasos exactos para seguir comienzo las bobinas?
Gracias.

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Where do you connect the 12V 7AMP battery to start up your coils ?

What are the exact steps to follow to start the coils ?

Thank you.