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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 371882 times)

hartiberlin

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #225 on: July 04, 2007, 03:00:30 AM »
Hi Mr. Amos, did you try to put magnets on one end of the iron nails as Brnbrade did it ? I wonder what polarity his ferrite disc magnets had ? Opposing or attracting , if you go from one rod to the next one ?

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #226 on: July 04, 2007, 03:02:26 AM »
@Jacob,
will move this thread again to the TPU thread, when I am again at my PC tommorow. Am now only on my PDA.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #227 on: July 04, 2007, 03:20:07 AM »
Brnbade has a stack of ceramic disc magnets stacked to each left side  of his ironrods as you can see in his pics, if you look closer. The question still is, which polarity do they have and what was the winding direction of his coils ? This plays an important role. If you made that wrong, the effects could cancel out..
« Last Edit: July 04, 2007, 04:09:53 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #228 on: July 04, 2007, 04:11:04 AM »
@All
In case you agree this may pertain to part of what is going on...

I am not where I can do extensive test but I have done the following:
1. Apply a thin film of Al varnish to an AL tube
2. Wrap a few turns of varnish coated copper wire around it (with the Al varnish still sticky)
3. Check for voltage and find DC volts as in a galvanic battery.

I looked at the bottle of varnish and it contains Cupric Oxide for color and the varnish is labeled as costic.

Copper + Aluminum + acid = battery. My lunch was over so I don't know if it could be charged. A quick Google indicates the right combination could create a crude but effective diode  as a P-Channel and may also exhibit solar cell like properties.

I don't know how this may relate to oscillation, yet.

And since I can't test now I have two thoughts that someone may be able to verify.

Judging by the build page showing the numbers of varnish joints between dissimilar metals - having a respectible DC voltage appear with no signal may not be unreasonable.

Since aluminum is between coils the induction from one coil to the next winding may be reversed. Since an increasing/decreasing field applied to Al creates an opposing field in the Al the mag field from the Al to the next winding should be reversed of how we think induction works from one coil to another. Take the small coil wires and reverse their connections to the other coil  ???

I'll try it when I am home. I have not used Aluminum varnish before.

Use it or blow it off - your choice  :)


« Last Edit: July 04, 2007, 04:32:55 AM by BEP »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #229 on: July 04, 2007, 04:28:36 AM »
@BEP,
what is Al varnish ?
Please explain in detail.

Does it put out more voltage or current in sunlight ?
Yes, CuO is a semiconductor and could be used in solarcells.

@MeggerMan
well built rods,
the question is, if the aluminium tubes are not to thick.
I guess Brnbrade just used thin alufoil wound around his isolated iron rods...

Too bad, he did not tell us, how many windings( or layers) of alufoil he wound
around it. Could all be important..
and how his winding directions of the coils was.

But to have oscillations you have to wind these coils this way, that
the transformer action supports positive feedback.
Also it is probably very important to have the 2 rods
pretty near each other, so the fields from them can interact and
the left side magnets can also interact and thus the rods have the right
premagnetisation levels.

Maybe it is working via the amplification of Barkhausen noise spikes, so
you have to get the iron rods into the right BH range, where they just want to
toggle ( flip) back and forth their Weiss?s districts,so you have to have the right
amounts of magnets at the side, maybe with a gap and not directly connected...

I really could only imagine, that the only way you get it to work is
to selftune this arangement to the about 180 Khz of Barkhausen noise jumps
and amplifying this via this backlooped transformer setup.

I don?t believe, that this thing puts out DC voltage, but it is probably just oscillating
in the Khz range, maybe on a lower or higher harmonics of the 180 Khz Barkhausen noise jumps.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #230 on: July 04, 2007, 04:40:31 AM »
@BEP,
what is Al varnish ?

Aluminum or Aluminium varnish is a protective coating applied to metals. You see varnish of another sort on magnet wire - very thin almost plastic like coating.

Al varnish is made to protect Aluminum and prevent oxidation. I suspect it causes oxidation to form initially - as part of that process.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #231 on: July 04, 2007, 04:42:02 AM »
Hi guys,

Take a look at the brnbrade photo,  I TURNED UP THE LIGHTS DOWN BELLOW  :)

Do you see anything disturbing?    ???

When we called him on his lightbulb photo he came back with some capacitor photos.  Why the change?  

I'm not interested in capacitor photos, NO,  I can get a photo like his easily.  I charge the cap and hook the voltmeter that bearly drains the caps.   He even has electrolitic caps on there, lots of charge !!!
I think what he did in the photo picture, he hooked up his radio to it, or maybe a batteri, to the yellow cables.

He does have AC, but you know what,  I GOT AC TOO !!!!     Freaking 60 Hz !!!!  Not 250 Volts but 5 Volts, but my coil is smaller.

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #232 on: July 04, 2007, 04:49:03 AM »
Interesting theory BEP, galvanic action, hmmm

You know what,  brnbrade described the layers he used, and there was INSULATION ON EITHER SIDE OF HIS ALUMINUM.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #233 on: July 04, 2007, 04:51:22 AM »
I see your point EMDevices.
I also see in this photo that the small wire coils are cross connected as I now suspect they should be because of the aluminum layers.
 
We should keep our eyes open, by all means! Sharp Eyes you have!

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #234 on: July 04, 2007, 04:54:34 AM »
Here is my coil, if you're curious.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #235 on: July 04, 2007, 04:54:41 AM »
@BEP,
what is Al varnish ?

Aluminum or Aluminium varnish is a protective coating applied to metals. You see varnish of another sort on magnet wire - very thin almost plastic like coating.

Al varnish is made to protect Aluminum and prevent oxidation. I suspect it causes oxidation to form initially - as part of that process.

Are there small Al particles or Aluminium powder mixed into the varnish or why is it called this way ?

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #236 on: July 04, 2007, 05:03:42 AM »
The label is old but it is clear it has no form of Aluminum in it.

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I just realized something folks. Look carefully at the photo above that EM posted. Look at the coil connections!. It is not wired dual parallel. It is wired in quadrature feedback mode. All four coils are wired as a ring not as deduced on the build page!

I know the patent shows it the other way but how many times have you run into a patent that was 100% correct. Intentional flaws are common.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #237 on: July 04, 2007, 05:04:17 AM »
Here is my coil, if you're curious.

Hi EM,
nice setup,
so you are only getting 60 Hz induction from the grid or what ?

Do you also have iron rods ?
Did you try to premagnetize the Rods into the BH regime, where they
begin to toggle their domains for the Barkhausen noise ?
( For this you must probably bring some magnets in a destinct distance to the rods
and leave them there....)
It also depends much probably, what kind of iron rod one is
using to get a maximum Barkhausen noise level out of the rods.


@All,
I think I will leave this topic in the Special coil-magnet setups
category,cause I really don?t see any simularities with the TPU over here.

In the TPU you have collector coils at 90 degrees, over here not at all.

If the Brnbrade  thing really works, it is my guess it is much more related to
an selflooped and amplified Barkhausen energy extractor.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #238 on: July 04, 2007, 05:08:41 AM »
The label is old but it is clear it has no form of Aluminum in it.

Then why is it called AL Varnish ?

Is it just a standard nonconductive varnish ??


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I just realized something folks. Look carefully at the photo above that EM posted. Look at the coil connections!. It is not wired dual parallel. It is wired in quadrature feedback mode. All four coils are wired as a ring not as deduced on the build page!


Exactly, I wonder myself, what would be the right setup ?
This way as EM did it or turn one rod 180 around and have it then in parallel with the same
wire turn directions ?

What will amplify a looped pulse better  ?

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #239 on: July 04, 2007, 05:09:11 AM »
I tried lots of magnet setups Stefan.  I'm getting 60 Hz from the grid.  I suspect brnbrade is getting the same.  Too bad he does not have a scope.  
There might be some merit to this setup, but it's definitely not related to the TPU  :)    So good call Stefan, just leave it here.   I'm sure TPU related stuff is all over the forums anyway, we'll just have to hunt and gather relevant info.

EM