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z_p_e

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #165 on: July 03, 2007, 04:37:45 AM »
Hi all

I ask all that to want. Replicate and all can help that device develop.
The friends that possess oscilloscope and tools readers advanced, can help in the walk. 

Regards

Unless I missed something, it is rather difficult to do this without a drawing or schematic of what you have connected there. Why not post a drawing instead of a photo?

May I suggest for your own sake, and for the sake of others here trying to replicate and help you develop this (you did ask for people to replicate), that you STOP what you're doing at this point and draw out what you have done. Call this v1.0 if you like, but at least have one documented starting point.

It would take you no more than 5 minutes to scratch this out on a piece of paper, take a photo of it, and post it here.

OR, you can keep the frenzie going here by holding back as you mentioned. The choice is yours.

By the way, are you using any transistors or MOSFET's in this device?

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #166 on: July 03, 2007, 04:39:49 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 08, 2007, 01:01:27 AM by brnbrade »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #167 on: July 03, 2007, 04:47:49 AM »
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« Last Edit: July 08, 2007, 01:01:52 AM by brnbrade »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #168 on: July 03, 2007, 04:55:49 AM »
Hi Darren,
he posted his schematic over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.msg37778.html#msg37778

He tried to replicate the
MacFarland patent and now used alufoil as an additional layer and seems to have succeeded.

It seems to be the alufoil, that makes the difference.

I guess if we can get a selfrunner this way, it is easy to scale
up to over 50 Watts and I guess this will be a great device for the OverUnity Prize ?!

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #169 on: July 03, 2007, 04:59:40 AM »
I'm afraid I have big doubts about this device being ou.


Darren

Darren,

Unless there is a hidden wire somewhere, how could you possibly light a 50 watts bulb with such brightness with only 2 A cells?

Jacob

Why is he so reluctant to post a drawing or schematic then? I believe that is enough to be suspicious.

It would not be too difficult to power a 12V, 50W bulb for a few minutes from 2 AA batteries with the right circuit. Keep that in mind folks.

Has he stated whether or not a switching device is being used? I have not seen any indication that he is, other than a power transistor sitting on his bench. If not, how is he getting an oscillation?

These are all questions that could be answered by a simple drawing.

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #170 on: July 03, 2007, 05:05:10 AM »
Hi Darren,
he posted his schematic over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.msg37778.html#msg37778

He tried to replicate the
MacFarland patent and now used alufoil as an additional layer and seems to have succeeded.

It seems to be the alufoil, that makes the difference.

I guess if we can get a selfrunner this way, it is easy to scale
up to over 50 Watts and I guess this will be a great device for the OverUnity Prize ?!


Stefan, I already saw that. It is just a reiteration of the Cook patent. Am I missing something?

Where are the capacitors, the audio inputs, the battery, the transistor? etc. etc.

That is not a complete or accurate drawing of what he has there.

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #171 on: July 03, 2007, 05:06:42 AM »
Darren:

I believe Brnbrade is not trying to deceive. He has obviously found a way to improve on the MacFarland device using a modified (Al) material. However, he's probably not quite ready to fully disclose pending further tests; maybe like with Jacob suggested, when a load is applied, the result may not be what he was looking for? (purely conjecture on my part).

Well Barbrade, I hope you will just spend a few minutes and draw a pencilled diagram and tell us how your invention works. Please?

cheers
chrisC

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #172 on: July 03, 2007, 05:17:16 AM »
thanks for the layer description Brnbrade, that helps.   

I started winding but I missed an aluminum layer, so I got to take it apart and fix it.

Darren, he says the trick is in how you start it.  I thought about this and it could be quite interesting.  I bet we can do a model of this in PSpice, etc..

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #173 on: July 03, 2007, 05:22:04 AM »
Hi Darren,
he posted his schematic over here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2630.msg37778.html#msg37778

He tried to replicate the
MacFarland patent and now used alufoil as an additional layer and seems to have succeeded.

It seems to be the alufoil, that makes the difference.

I guess if we can get a selfrunner this way, it is easy to scale
up to over 50 Watts and I guess this will be a great device for the OverUnity Prize ?!


Stefan, I already saw that. It is just a reiteration of the Cook patent. Am I missing something?

Where are the capacitors, the audio inputs, the battery, the transistor? etc. etc.

That is not a complete or accurate drawing of what he has there.

Darren

Look atthe drawing Earl did.

You just need only a foil capacitor, probably around 100 nF to 1 uF high voltage type
and 2 x 1.5 Volts batteries in series.

The audio input is only another test instead of the DC battery to see, if there is more power to
be coming out of this.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #174 on: July 03, 2007, 05:34:03 AM »
What Brnbrade is showing here is very very important indeed.

Four variations have been shown thus far.

1) Coils + 3v Battery, DC-DC 58 vdc out.
2) Coils + 3v Battery + Sound (two channel positive only) DC-AC 250V out.
3) Coils + Cap (330 uf 200v) + Cap (62 pf or uf(hard to see) 400v about 4-7v ac out
4) Coils + 4 Caps (hard to see values) about 20v ac out

It's as if he's showing the progression of his own new discoveries as they occur, showing that there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Here's a picture of his meter that I found elsewhere and filled in the AC scale just in case there are other pictures with hard to see readings.

As far as his information goes, there should be more than enough to make a replication. The patent speaks for itself. Even though it is not exactly right, should be good to make tests.

@btenzer

Maybe you could use post #1 to maintan build specs an update as it progresses.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #175 on: July 03, 2007, 06:20:08 AM »
thanks for the layer description Brnbrade, that helps.   

I started winding but I missed an aluminum layer, so I got to take it apart and fix it.

Darren, he says the trick is in how you start it.  I thought about this and it could be quite interesting.  I bet we can do a model of this in PSpice, etc..

EM

Perhaps it could be SPICEd EM, but I still have no idea of what the circuit is. I must be dumb because I have not seen a diagram showing all the components.

Could you or someone else be so kind to draw one up? Sorry for my incompetance.

The question remains, why doesn't he post a simple diagram if he wants everyone to get online with him? Why keep everyone guessing?...and it does seem that people are still guessing.

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #176 on: July 03, 2007, 06:46:21 AM »


@ All
Funny thing, I remember SM telling all of us to use mosfets to reproduce waves as if they were mini tube amps.  I have said that about, Oh, 20 times or so.  But this is coincidence I am sure...  ;)



Sorry Bruce

At no time did Steven ever say to all of any body to use mosfets...he only ever said to me that  he used them after using tubes for initial tuning. That is the information ,in context,that I shared.

I know that you are excited But
please do not mis quote..and re interperet...this will be hard enough as it is.

brnbrade

you are going to have to give complete disclosure ..these people really want to duplicate what you have .....lots more pictures with the light on from lots of angles should keep them happy for a while

It looks so simple that any body could make it with out having to learn anything ...unlike a TPU! you the man..Im off to buy a recepie for pie...just in case!

thanks.



Lindsay Mannix


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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #177 on: July 03, 2007, 07:08:08 AM »


@ All
Funny thing, I remember SM telling all of us to use mosfets to reproduce waves as if they were mini tube amps.  I have said that about, Oh, 20 times or so.  But this is coincidence I am sure...  ;)



Sorry Bruce

At no time did Steven ever say to all of any body to use mosfets...he only ever said to me that  he used them after using tubes for initial tuning. That is the information ,in context,that I shared.

I know that you are excited But
please do not mis quote..and re interperet...this will be hard enough as it is.

thanks.



Lindsay Mannix



@ Mannix

Yes I know that SM said to start with TUBES first.  How much of that do you see happening, besides yourself??

So, what do we have...  We have Mosfets and drivers being used in the ECD, unless I read my circuit wrong tonight and I am soldering up (actually my partner! LOL ) the pieces for nothing.  SO, let me make this very clear.  WE ARE using Mosfet and SM said:

"MOSFETS are better you know if you wanted to make an amplifier that behaved as though it was a tube amp but in a smaller size."

So, let me reiterate my point from earlier:  We need to incorporate what SM has said into what we are doing.  How?  Look at the wave that a tube amp puts out and look at our square wave.  Do you see any difference?  Well of course.  Why?  Because one is slightly rounded.  What are the other differences?  There are many..


@ EVERYONE ELSE
I have put together on the first post what is needed to replicate to the best of my ability.  If you can answer the questions I put on there, that would be great.  If you can draw pretty schematic that would be great, and I will gladly post it!

Happy, Happy Days!  (But hearing they hear not!  We need ears to hear and eyes to see)
Bruce 

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #178 on: July 03, 2007, 07:23:23 AM »
Lindsay wrote:
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I know that you are excited But
please do not mis quote..and re interperet...this will be hard enough as it is.

Exactly.

btw Bruce, which one is slightly rounded then, and how is that significant to the TPU and the ECD?

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #179 on: July 03, 2007, 07:35:03 AM »
brnbade,

I'm not sure if you'll respond to any of my posts, and I'm sure you have 100's of PM's to attend to, but I wanted to ask just one simple and direct question.

I am really only interested in (and the only one that matters) brnbade's response to this, so hang back guys if that's ok.

I have no intention of trying to chase you away or discourage you, I'd just like to know the following:

WHY did you post about your device?

Eu n?o tenho nenhuma inten??o de tentar persegui-lo afastado ou para desanim?-lo, eu gostaria apenas a sei o seguinte:

Por que voc? escreveu sobre seu dispositivo?

Darren