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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 349220 times)

Offline Bruce_TPU

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #120 on: July 02, 2007, 05:26:14 PM »
@ Jacob and Wattsup

Very good, I will hold my peace.  I still do not see it in the pictures, but that's fine.  Just having started the thread, I feel responsible and feel it is imperitive to make sure the integrity of the information given to us is honest.  I will feel much better with a confirmed replication.

@EM
Yes, I see the meter on DC.  So I do feel better about that.

@brnbrade
Please make sure all photographs show all wires and radio please, to remove room for doubt.  Thank you!  ;)

Happy Days, Again!  LOL
Bruce  :)

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #121 on: July 02, 2007, 06:31:27 PM »
Oh good, suny days once again.  :)  

Now,  I was theorizing that maybe some sort of galvanic action might be happening, but I don't know anymore.   This thing has DC amplification?   Wow,  now it's even more puzzling.

I mean, if it would of been AC, it would of made more sense, but DC output?  How in the world is that getting generated?

Aluminum foil?   Well, I would say that it's a filter for the mag fields.   Only SLOW VARRING FLUX WILL PENETRATE, HIGH FREQUENCY WILL BE REPELLED.  And yes, it blocks E-fields as well, but we're dealing with DC now, not AC.

Very strange device!

So here is what I suggest.  Build two cylindrical capacitor and interconnect them as shown.  Since it's DC, the windings don't do much, or do they?

Just a thought for reducing complexity to find the answer.

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #122 on: July 02, 2007, 06:49:13 PM »

I mean, if it would of been AC, it would of made more sense, but DC output?  How in the world is that getting generated?

Aluminum foil?   Well, I would say that it's a filter for the mag fields.   Only SLOW VARRING FLUX WILL PENETRATE, HIGH FREQUENCY WILL BE REPELLED.  And yes, it blocks E-fields as well, but we're dealing with DC now, not AC.



Hi EM,

I am sorry, what did I miss??  Brnbrade was very clear that the output of his device was AC.  The input DC. 

Thanks, :)

Happy Sunny Days!
Bruce

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #123 on: July 02, 2007, 06:55:42 PM »
Oh you're right Bruce, he does say it's AC, 52 V, then AC 250 V or so.   

But then what's with the scope picture showing the meter on DC?  Is this thing producing both AC and DC?   (look at the first two pictures he posted, one is AC the other DC, same configuration)
EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #124 on: July 02, 2007, 07:00:40 PM »
Question:  How did you measure the amps?

Answer:  No mesure. I no amper reader.



This is strange, his meter can do Amp readings as well, does he not know how to use it?   As in "I no good at reading meter?"   

Hmmm

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #125 on: July 02, 2007, 07:05:24 PM »
EM:

That statement was made a couple of weeks ago when he first posted his discovery and he did not have access to a ammeter.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #126 on: July 02, 2007, 07:19:25 PM »
Oh, I see.   We better wait then, and see what else he has for us.

I think I'm starting to replicate his device this evening, exactly !!!

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #127 on: July 02, 2007, 07:27:38 PM »
Bruce, if the findings turn out to be nothing, which I believe they will, It will not be due to willful deceit, but rather ignorance of what is happening. I see nothing here that would indicate we are looking at anything interesting. Honestly, I hope I'm proven wrong, but I don't see what all the hubbub is about.

I would like to see complete input and output power measurements. The language problems are a bit confusing. When he is feeding power to the coils, is he using only the battery supply shown, or is he using output from the radio at the same time. Also, when he's using output from the radio to power his coils is he using white noise?

the radio he uses, what kind is it? Is it battery powered, or plugged into a wall? He needs to measure V and I at both input and output. This should have been in the FIRST post on this thread.

@Mannix, if you don't think this is releveant to the TPU, if it actually works, I would beg to differ. If Otto's device is relevent then this is a reduced complexity proof of concept. Go back and look at the document that has the sweet diagram in it which inspired otto to go mobius in the first place, then look at the drawings here.

If this works, then the similarities are not coincidence. No disrespect intended to SM.

@EM, yes I would guess that is the case. good luck on your replication.. I don't think we have enough info yet.

@chris, note: first post in this thread was yesterday, if you meant pms or emails, then do you know more about when this all started than we do? If it was weeks, then why don't we have more info to work from here? such as power in and out.... or a schematic (of his)

Rich

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #128 on: July 02, 2007, 08:08:53 PM »
Rich:

Brnbrade has numerious previous postings, the most relevant to this double coil contraption starts here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2449.60.html (posting #61)

As is often the case, because of the numerous threads and 'dicoveries' inter-mingled with other stuff, it is difficult to track. Also the language barrier and mis-information through third party translators add to the confusion.

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My opinion is to give Brnbrade some time and space. He can get his own English translator and when he is ready, the schematics and photos will be in place. In the meantime, there are enough questions for him to deal with without every tom dick and harry making his disclosures more difficult!

cheers
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #129 on: July 02, 2007, 08:33:27 PM »
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« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 05:40:38 PM by duff »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #130 on: July 02, 2007, 08:36:43 PM »
I'm afraid I have big doubts about this device being ou.

It's too bad about the barrage of questions and confusion, but I warned this would happen if the lad didn't have the minimums in place before coming forward. Evidently, he was not quite prepared as I suspected.

I don't understand how a simple diagram is such a difficult thing to produce, when photgraphs of the setup seem to come so easily  ???

I am aware that some people "just build" and don't even scratch the circuit on a napkin, but how do you expect to convince anyone (that's why he posted this isn't it?) that your device works as claimed without even a basic wiring diagram, or measurements, or clear description of how the device is connected and operates?

Ay carumba!

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #131 on: July 02, 2007, 08:42:57 PM »
@ Lindsay,

I'm not saying that Brnbade's device belongs in this thread, but at the same time, it has no less relevance to SM's work as Otto and Roberto's work has.

nuff said.

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #132 on: July 02, 2007, 08:45:58 PM »
Hi, I'm Douglas from Brazil.

I have following the forum Overunity in a couple weeks and now I decided to participate. I am developing experiments with coils setups for studying its eletrical and magnetics fields for construct a TPU. I am not electrician or technician but I have some knowledge. My experiments are made in my free time.

I would feel honored if I could translate yours questions to Brnbrade (in portuguese) and to answer to you in English.

Is there many questions! Which questions I would have to make first?

Regards

Doug

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #133 on: July 02, 2007, 08:57:29 PM »
Thanks Chris.

I'll read some of his previous stuff, perhaps it'll give me a better idea what's going on.

I agree, however that we should just wait until we have sufficient documentation.

attempting to replicate now, without enough info could cause some one to falsely report back that nothing special is happening. We need as much info as possible before doing anything.

I have to add however that reporting anything without being prepared to post EVERYTHING is a bad idea to begin with.

I hope we haven't scared him away, but I have to say, I have wasted a lot of time (months, not hours) chasing rabbits like this when enough initial testing was not done before hand, as have others. We've learned through trial and error that sticking to scientific method, or as close to that as you can while still communicating over the internet, while maintaining a balance of optimism and healthy skepticism is necessary.

Oh, And If you consider the SM TPU in general then it's been years, however I still hold out hope that that time wasn't wasted. (aside from chasing our tails at times)

I will leave this thread for now, at least until I've read the other stuff he's posted and he's had time to recharge his batteries and to reply to some of these questions.

Regards,
Rich

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #134 on: July 02, 2007, 10:13:31 PM »
Doug56 :

I welcome your participation since you have a good comand of Portugese and English. Perhaps you can PM Brnbrade and basically ask him to produce a detailed schematic with reference to the photos and his voltage/current measurements.

Earl tried to draw the coils per the similarly disclosed Patent but we are no better off understanding how the coils are connected to the 3 V battery, where the lamp is hooked up to and the extra wires that seemed not to connect and oh, yes where the stereo sound (or stereo signal) is conneceted to and is that large Magnet stationary?
A detailed circuit diagram will indeed be the right place to start.

Much as I apprecite Bruce's help, inaccurate translations is as bad as injecting extra stuff or conjecturing on the behalf of the 'inventor'.

Still, let's just do this Doug and then if a good circuit / description is forthcoming then we can either proceed with joy or dismiss this as Darren says, another gimmick!

Regards
chrisC