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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 359151 times)

Offline BEP

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #540 on: January 24, 2008, 04:08:31 AM »
Super inductor - negative inductive reactance - reductance. Yes, all of that and exactly as he says - a battery - galvanic, as well.

He also talks about multiple 'currents' and the way they travel and effect the others.

The rheostat ( a potentiometer with only the wiper and one end terminal - for those not familiar with the term ) is connected across the load point becasue if he breaks the circuit the feedback and oscillations die because there is no current flow. Then he must start it again.

Like all the old patents there are many things that can be interpreted incorrectly simply because the word or phrase meant something entirely different a hundred years earlier.

I pass dust when I build up pressure so maybe that is why I see these things. And when I found out that magnet wire -as we know it today-  wasn't invented until after this patent - I needed to pass more dust.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #541 on: January 24, 2008, 04:21:50 AM »
exactly BEP,

I just can't believe we get suckered into these old patents.  I mean if the thing was some sort of a promising technology it would have been all over the place by now, and it's not, why? because there are better things to store energy into than this thing.  Only nowadays do they research new materials and try to improve on these old ideas.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #542 on: January 24, 2008, 02:27:30 PM »
I'm sure there were a share of shysters back then.

Who knows? Maybe he sold snake oil between patents to help people with consumption, gout and dropsy.

There also may be things 'assumed' in these old patents that are no longer assumable.

For example: At the time of this device it was common to use earth batteries. The most famous use was with telegraph stations. They would bury two cells creating a line pointing to true North. The vertical height difference between the buried cells was adjusted to creating a line following the local magnetic inclination.
There were wires ran between the cells but I havent seen clear diagrams.
The expected galvanic destruction of the cells didn't happen unless their placement was wrong. These arrangements were used in telegraph, pharmacies, doctor offices, blacksmiths and later - telephone.

The exact meaning of helice and coil have changed a bit also.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #543 on: January 24, 2008, 02:49:25 PM »
@Guys

Geez I was just talking about this thread to someone else a few days ago and bingo, some are back here, I guess for the final round of Truth or Consequences.

I think EM is right that this device is a capacitor and may be used in conjunction with other components in a completed system. Maybe a cap for a dc motor, maybe to better catch flyback (notice I did not say BEMF - lol - shoot I just said it).

But the clincher question still remains "how the hell did Brnbrade light up those lights".

I still have my three builds;

1) Bailing wire core
2) Solid iron rod core
3) Solid iron rod core with aluminum varnish encapsulation

Of all three, the first worked the best.

Hey maybe I can use one of these once I make @HG's swing generator.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #544 on: January 24, 2008, 04:42:07 PM »
I think there are some very important questions we are not asking here, this device seems very similar to Leedskins perpetual motion holder. If this is a super inductor or a capacitor of sorts then what is the mechanism by which it stores energy?. We know in our circuits any current flow will produce a voltage DROP and a diminishing current in microseconds. So we know the methods we are using don't work, so the question is then how do you get around a voltage drop when current flows? In order to store energy over time there must be a voltage rise to compensate, if we want to use transformer action we already know the outcome so there must be another mechanism at work. Another clue is the aluminum, a diamagnetic material, we know this thin film has basically no effect on the magnetic fields we usually deal with so it must be something else. Now here is an interesting quote.
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He also talks about multiple 'currents' and the way they travel and effect the others
"Currents" ---- plural ---- more than one type of current, Tesla also speaks of "currents" in a plural sense, meaning more than one and more than one type. And in fact we know of two types of current ---- current like from a battery and an inductive discharge current which produces a voltage RISE based on the amount of resistance it encounters. I have been experimenting with this mechanism for a while but still can't resolve the issue of the dampened wave. I am fairly confident that all of these patents are using what Tesla refered to as "undampened" waves, an undampened wave is just what the name implies, a wave which will NOT diminish in strength over time. But as always there is probably a very simple aspect of these devices we are missing I have yet to nail down.
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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #545 on: January 24, 2008, 06:54:04 PM »
Yes, you can say this is a PERPETUAL MOTION HOLDER.  

Magnetic fields generated by magnetisation of mater, makes use of the atomic spin or rotation  (perpetual motion on the atomic level)

Under the influence of an external magnetic field,  these tiny magnetic "moments", or little magnets,  align themselves with the external field, and the net macroscopic effect is an observed magnetic field that is even stronger.   (the atoms are always magnetic but the net effect can be zero when the external field is removed due to random orientation of the tiny magnetic moments)

So what keeps the magnetization "alive"   ?

I can see you guys are wondering, but it's realy simple.    If you build up a magnetic field in an inductor, and then short the inductor leads, it will continue to persist.   This is because as the magnetization tries to decrease the coil reacts by Lenz's law to drive a current that opposes the change.   Hence the magnetization is preserved by the current that flows in the coil.

To make such a system as efficient as possible so it can last a long time, it is necessary to use a coil with very little resistance so it does not rapidly discharge the inductor.  So that's why it is better to use two coils, a multi turn one for the high voltage that might be required, and a small turn coil that will keep the magnetisation alive by flowing a rather higher current.

Here's a drawing I did to illustrate the basic operation of an inductor storage system.   Can you identify a practical problem with it?    I can see one already  :)

EM

@allcanadian, there are multiple current in his invention absolutely.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2008, 07:18:12 PM by EMdevices »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #546 on: January 24, 2008, 07:33:19 PM »
Yes.

Single coils on each core, even with low resistance and shorted, the flux will still collapse in short order.

This is why the second coil on each core is needed. As the flux falls it crosses the turns of the inner coil (high turn count) which are connected to bolster the flux in the outer coil of the other core.

If you use multiple rods or iron wires for the core you increase this activity and add vibration which causes more flux change. If you break the circuit completely this cycle is stopped and the flux falls to a damped oscillation.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #547 on: January 24, 2008, 07:49:10 PM »
I just made a post in tesla technology/patent 512340 that seems very relevant to this, that is how the device could maintain operation and produce excess energy in the right context if multiple coils were used. Just a thought :D

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #548 on: January 25, 2008, 04:48:36 AM »
I'll go read what you posted there allcanadian

BEP,  the trick to getting the flux not to collapse fast is in the resistance of the wires. 

I can't find the web link, but some guy already demonstrated this.  He could close the switch and open a few days later and it would still have the flux ready to do work.

Anyway, this is what struck me as the mechanism for this invention.  However, it could be something more interesting than we imagine.  However, he does say that it's not galvanic.  And because he seems to explain how it works based on currents, it leads me to believe its the super inductor concept.

I'll go read his patent once more, maybe something new will jump out at me.

EM

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #549 on: January 25, 2008, 05:24:54 AM »
Are you thinking of Matthew Emery?

I have the impression you are thinking more in terms of what old power plant folk (meaning me) call circulating currents. They were a bugger in multi-generator systems but used no noticable energy from the generator. (Not to be confused with cross-currents for those thinking they are power plant folk ;D

I think the trick is to not allow the flux to fall at all. Supposedly this is expected to be possible in parallel resonant circuits but the conductors would have to be superconductors or, at least, zero ohms. All impedance would be approaching infinity.
But then I'm talking about voltage varying over time.


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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #550 on: January 25, 2008, 07:00:48 PM »
that's exactly it BEP,  that's the guy I read about.  See the link.

http://keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm


That's the concept right there.  That's what I was trying to say.  The flux can be maintained with a closed switch on a coil that has low resistance and the current just circulates to maintain the flux.  When the energy is needed, the coil is applied to the load and the low resistance bypass opened.

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« Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 06:43:29 PM by EMdevices »

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #551 on: April 08, 2008, 03:34:30 AM »
Are these coils types related to the Steven Mark's TPU?..They all seem to use many coils and are trying to capture FE from somewhere.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #552 on: July 20, 2008, 11:44:37 PM »
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Re: The Brnbrade OverUnity Coil/TPU
« Reply #553 on: July 21, 2008, 04:58:18 AM »
I have 2 (or 3) suggestions for anyone trying this.

Run an electric motor or a buzzer near it. (DC or universal would do fine, powered by battery possibly or by the output, although if so consider using caps to isolate it)

Second, put 2 batteries in reverse connection on the secondary so that each are making the coil positive.

Oh, and it never hurts to use a few paralleled incandescent bulbs in the secondarty circuit as they will help pull in EM.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #554 on: September 15, 2008, 06:21:57 AM »
Hi,

The original patent of Daniel Cook (US 118825) is no longer available !!!!

If you go on http://www.freepatentsonline.com

And you try to retrieve patent 118825 you have the message :

***WITHDRAWN PATENT AS PER THE LATEST USPTO WITHDRAWN LIST***

WHY?

Are the free energy patents will begin to disappear ?