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Author Topic: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?  (Read 349144 times)


Offline wattsup

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #211 on: July 03, 2007, 09:53:30 PM »
@all

Decided to read McFarlands patent again before I build. I just realized that he is using the term "Secondary" to designated what we call the Primary and the term "Primary" to designated what we call the Secondary.

Geez, that would explain why Brnbrade was referring to the thicker red wire as the Secondary and by consequence, we were getting confused.

Or, am I dreaming or what? Very interesting indeed.

Anyways, read the patent. Short read. There are many ways to make this.

@btentzer

I don't see what the commotion is all about since this thread is off the SM topic, it will only create less noise.

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Re: The Brnbrade OverUnity Coil/TPU
« Reply #212 on: July 03, 2007, 10:55:45 PM »
The talk goes around the Farland Cook patents has been deliberatly changed.....
I do not know the reference source of where i heard it, but i am sure it was about these particulair coils.

i also experimented with these and i never got it to work.
Marco.


Anyone ever notice that McFarland speaks of a 'circuit D' in the diagrams, but there ISN'T anything labeled 'D' in his patent.

Perhaps that is where the idea that the patent was modified came from?

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #213 on: July 03, 2007, 11:03:22 PM »
@mramos

First off, I was going to  use two nails as the cores. But I decided to use bailing wire instead, I cut them 12 inches each and using 16 wires per core. McFarland patent indicates this is also suitable. In fact the patent states that almost anything goes and McFarland was talking about using very large cores upto 12 feet long. But let's start small.

I will be using aluminium foil. I am just wondering about the insulator. I will use regular electrical tape but I hope the foil does not get ripped up too much.

I will also try to make a circular unit with center bailing wire core.

@tao

Hey, I read that also but after reading so many Tesla patents, etc., what I think he is referring to is that in order to initiate the build up the power, you can use a reostat to reduce current going to load which he refers to as D. This does not have to be on the patent since any kind of load and  load control could be D. He refers to the whole of the device, reostat and load as the "circuit" whereas we would refer to the circuit as being the electronic part of device.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #214 on: July 03, 2007, 11:12:00 PM »
Hi tao,

Jacob already mentioned that a couple pages back.

However, I wouldn't go jumping to conclusions that this omission was done deliberately. I've seen many patents that have these types of errors in them.

It's easy enough to have planned to include a part in a patent, only later to decide it will not be there, but they forget to edit the text, especially since it cost money to do so any time you want to make a change. Or they just forgot to edit the text.

Anyhow, I'm just suggesting that there are other possible reasons for the decrepancy, and we shouldn't always assume it was for suppression reasons.

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #215 on: July 03, 2007, 11:16:36 PM »
Our friend seems to have gone silent...

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #216 on: July 03, 2007, 11:25:06 PM »
The talk goes around the Farland Cook patents has been deliberatly changed.....
I do not know the reference source of where i heard it, but i am sure it was about these particulair coils.

i also experimented with these and i never got it to work.
Marco.


Anyone ever notice that McFarland speaks of a 'circuit D' in the diagrams, but there ISN'T anything labeled 'D' in his patent.

Perhaps that is where the idea that the patent was modified came from?

YEs i was trying to understand about what he was talking with the D since everything stop to C :)

It's like a diagram is missing from the patent

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The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #217 on: July 03, 2007, 11:32:23 PM »
A good sign.  Brnbrade is busy winding and soldering.

People who have never had an OU device on their table just can not understand.

As some one who has held an OU device in my hands, I can assure you that shivers
go up and down your spine and you have the funiest feeling that you have ever had
in your entire life.  Don't assume that life is as usual for Brnbrade.  You can't put yourself in his shoes because it is impossible to understand until it happens to you.

No, don't ask me any questions about the OU device.  Sorry.

Regards, Earl
Our friend seems to have gone silent...

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #218 on: July 03, 2007, 11:43:34 PM »
A good sign.  Brnbrade is busy winding and soldering.

Our friend seems to have gone silent...

Hmm,

So Bruce knows what brnbade is thinking, and Earl knows what Brnbade is doing.

Perhaps the two of you together then could produce a drawing of brnbade's coils, since you have these connections to his mind?

btw, our friend appears to be online as I post this.

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The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #219 on: July 03, 2007, 11:49:34 PM »
A good sign.  Brnbrade is busy winding and soldering.

Our friend seems to have gone silent...

Hmm,

So Bruce knows what brnbade is thinking, and Earl knows what Brnbade is doing.

Perhaps the two of you together then could produce a drawing of brnbade's coils, since you have these connections to his mind?

Already done, see page one, post one.
Earl


btw, our friend appears to be online as I post this.

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #220 on: July 04, 2007, 12:06:12 AM »
@Stefan,
I think if you had check the voltage across the terminals of the cell then I estimate the voltage would have been less than 50mV.
I think that the older style NiCd will give a higher current than the current NiMh but I think Brnbrade was using zinc carbon.

@Jacob,
I had the cell connected for just seconds in case it blew apart.

@All
Progress:
1. 12mm OD x 225mm aluminum tube.
2. 1 layer of PVC tape.
3. Primary 0.56mm enamell coated wire, 320 turns.
4. 1 layer of pvc tape.
5. Around 800mm length of foil wrapped around the primary.
6. 1 layer of PCV tape.
7. 2700mm of 2.5 sq.mm pvc insulated wire, 40 turns
8. Testing starts tomorrow night - I'll post the results.

Note: Using the cordless drill for the primary cut down the winding to about 2 minutes per tube. You just need a drill that will accept a 12mm bit.

Regards
Rob

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #221 on: July 04, 2007, 12:47:03 AM »
Earl,

I already saw your drawing yesterday.

If your drawing is complete and as per brnbade's build, then why are there question marks and unconnected parts on it  ??? I wouldn't be asking if one of the builders could kindly produce a drawing, if one already existed that was complete.

If we go by the 4 variations that have been identified, it looks like you have attempted to draw #1....Coils and battery.

So what's left to be determined, is where the battery is connected, and if there are any additional connections to terminals 1 and 3. Does anyone know?

Darren

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #222 on: July 04, 2007, 02:14:46 AM »
Earl,

I already saw your drawing yesterday.

If your drawing is complete and as per brnbade's build, then why are there question marks and unconnected parts on it  ??? I wouldn't be asking if one of the builders could kindly produce a drawing, if one already existed that was complete.

If we go by the 4 variations that have been identified, it looks like you have attempted to draw #1....Coils and battery.

So what's left to be determined, is where the battery is connected, and if there are any additional connections to terminals 1 and 3. Does anyone know?

Darren

Darren
There are only four options.  Pick one!  LOL  an experimenter can try each one.  We are not "blueprint" bound.  Sheeesh..Just build it for yourself, or hold your pipes!  (every pun intended) Someone soon will reproduce hopefully and draw you a "proper" schematic ready for the "simulator".. ;D

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #223 on: July 04, 2007, 02:17:02 AM »
Well, I suppose the good news is, you can recycle that into a tesla coil if it doesn't work.

That'd be sweet.

@brnbrade, please confirm whether or not Earl's diagram is correct. Also if you have any details to add about where the bat is connected that would be nice. Also what type of radio did you use when you powered your coil with a radio? And was the output speaker output or headphone output.

Please, NOBODY ELSE ANSWER, I am not interested in spokesperson's opinions.

If you want to answer in portugese or spanish that's fine, I can translate portugese. And I can read spanish.

Rich

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Re: The Brnbrade Coil/Overunity?
« Reply #224 on: July 04, 2007, 02:58:04 AM »
Earl,

I already saw your drawing yesterday.

If your drawing is complete and as per brnbade's build, then why are there question marks and unconnected parts on it  ??? I wouldn't be asking if one of the builders could kindly produce a drawing, if one already existed that was complete.

If we go by the 4 variations that have been identified, it looks like you have attempted to draw #1....Coils and battery.

So what's left to be determined, is where the battery is connected, and if there are any additional connections to terminals 1 and 3. Does anyone know?

Darren

Darren
There are only four options.  Pick one!  LOL  an experimenter can try each one.  We are not "blueprint" bound.  Sheeesh..Just build it for yourself, or hold your pipes!  (every pun intended) Someone soon will reproduce hopefully and draw you a "proper" schematic ready for the "simulator".. ;D

You're completely missing the point Bruce.

Also, I have no intention on simulating the Cook patent at this point.

If and when brnbade produces a complete schematic (pick any version), then I'll decide whether to put any further time into it.

Until then, IMO brnbade has shown us nothing more than the already existing and previously discussed (months ago) Cook patent.

Perhaps you could do that mind-meld thing again with him, and tell us where he has the battery connected  ;D

Darren