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Offline dutchy1966

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TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« on: June 30, 2007, 03:03:02 PM »
Hi,

As more and more discussion about my proposed theory is going on, I have decide to give it it's own topic.
I invite everyone to help and improve the theory.
Please stay on topic (that means assume the vortex being the main principle in the tpu).
Also if you have arguments based on SM's statements  that disprove involvement of a vortex you're invited to post them.

I think there are just too many clues given by SM to deny involvement of a vortex!

I have attached my numbered list of important SM statements with this post as a reference for everyone.

Hoping for a good discussion that can bring a real working TPU closer.....

Here is the basic theory again:


TPU Operating principle proposal



For a year and a half I have been following and participating in discussions about the TPU. Dozens of theories and proposals have been published since then. Still there is no satisfying explanation that fits the statements of SM well enough to justify it being the operating principle of the TPU.

What follows is a proposal for the operating principles of the TPU. At this moment this document only adresses WHAT the tpu has to do to function, not HOW these steps are accomplished.

The theory is build around a number of, in my opinion, crucial characteristics of the tpu.


Characteristics:

1. The center of the tpu is free of interfering magnetic fields. (the control circuit is placed there)
2. The TPU stops functioning when turned upside down
3. South of the equator it works in reverse
4. There is a ?turbine? effect when starting up and shutting down
5. SM is convinced that the earth?s magnetic field is the source of the power.

After thinking about those characteristics for quite a while I came to the conclusion that, as far as I can see, there is only one solution that satisfies those 5 characteristics.
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Magnetic vortex generator that redirects and concentrates
 earth?s magnetic field lines into the TPU
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Explanation:

The tpu sets up extremely high speed magnetic vortex. When the vortex is in place it intercept the earth's (vertical component!) magnetic flux lines while the earth rotates. Tthe earth?s flux lines get trapped in the vortex and start to spiral downwards through the vortex. Because the vortex gets narrower and narrower the earth's trapped flux lines get concentrated into a narrow beam. This concentrated flux beam gives the tpu the possibility to tap so much energy from the earths magnetic field!!

Proof based on SM's statements will be added to this thread soon....

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Robert

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2007, 03:08:03 PM »

Is there confirmation of this theory?

Absolutely! Here are some phrases from Steven Mark in direct response to the Carl Hurst letter:


Carl is absolutely correct about most everything in his letter. There are exact points of interest  9 and 13.
Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate.
Also, #17, YES

Here is what Carl wrote in the mentioned points:


9: Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet. I don?t remember anyone answering this to your or Mr.Mark?s satisfaction.
Let me have a go.
When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in that wire.
However, what was not iterated is that the strength of the magnet, but rather the SPEED and distance at which the magnet is moved across the wire.
Thus when we speak of moving the magnet a small piece of wire at the speed of a gunshot,  you generate a very sudden, high voltage spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if you could move that wire crossways through even a weak magnetic field with few flux lines, you could generate a voltage spike.
In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid.
He states he is running at about 5kHz.
For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes,, with the magnet forcing one direction, for the sequentially.
For the sequential version, that would mean the ?magnetic flux North? (for the lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250 times per second.
The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.
Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo magnets in an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up to 75,000RPM?
Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.


13: When we look at the earth?s magnetic field, there are some weird things to look at.
Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate flux lines into a Mark device?
Maybe that is exactly what it does.
This simply ADDS more density to the field.
However, something else strikes me more simply.
Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares if there is a battery ? that point is moot when you look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle.
It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per second.
That is the key and it takes very little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot.
The main thing is the device?s strange reaction to physical movement.
I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the speed at which the magnetic flux moves.
 

17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful magnetic vortex?
Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?


In these points is confirmed:

There is a very high speed rotating field
It uses a powerful magnetic vortex
It draws flux lines from the earths magnetic field into the tpu


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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 03:22:21 PM »
SM Phrases:

18.   Yes Norbert, we did try them south of the equator, they work in reverse.
Can someone tell me why?

33.   How it IS POSSIBLE  to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large usable amounts of power.

39.   By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the centre of the unit?
Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very slowly.
It speeds up faster and faster until it just stops. When it stops the unit is always operation at about its design maximum. We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect.

48.   Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things suddenly change?
This question is unanswered for me, but might it create a vortex situation?

49.   Also, #17, YES
17: The imploding television story is very interesting.
Could Mark?s device be close to tapping into or creating such a powerful magnetic vortex?
Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?

50.   I am pleased that you can clearly see the turbine?.
The interesting thing is how with the right combination of frequencies, you can actually create a revolving with inertia!

56.   Talking about the exploding tv set again:
I was trying to show among other things that there HAS to BE power from somewhere!!!
And this power has to be available all the time, everywhere.
I mean we believed very strongly that the power we converted came from the earth?s magnetic field. We believed that mainly because it is the obvious choice.
However please consider that we had no way of confirming exactly where the power comes from.

57.   Has anyone an explanation for the Oregon vortex?

58.   After rereading my letters to you I became aware that in fact I have already sent you enough information to supplicate my power units.

69.   Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil?
Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. They have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down.
In most cases they will not even start up.







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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 03:55:43 PM »
Good idea on this thread Robert.

As I mentioned in my last post, I too feel that a magnetic vortex is involved in the operating principle of the TPU. However, as it is only part of my theory, and IS only theory at this point, I won't be posting anything more about it until I've had a chance to test various things and put all the clues together. I would encourage others to do the same, but that's another topic.

I intend to perform some interesting tests and have some working hardware fairly soon.

I just wanted to say with my last post that I feel you are on the right track. As for the others....?

Cheers,
Darren

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2007, 02:12:08 AM »
Absolutely!

Perhaps , down the track Darren will spice model a tpu transformer!


Its like the same thing seen by different people ,from different angles and lighting ,knowledge and beliefs. Thats is exactly what makes this both exciting and...extremely challenging.....  yes ok FRUSTRATING at times. everything that life is about.

The Carl info should be included in any theory but only in "Hindsight".

I hope that you can see the reverse  direction your perspective need to take to use the carl info.
Pass it, then look back in you rear view mirror!

Somebody told me the other day that we could also use scales to measure these spinning things and electricity generation is a secondary effect. of course electronic scales would be out of the question.



My ecd needs to spin. I am sure of that.....back to work!

Great thread!

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2007, 11:32:56 AM »
Hi Robert,
I think you are the right track with this idea.
My view is that the TPU acts like a mini black hole to the earths magnetic field lines pulling them in and rotating them via the Coriolis effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect

The field lines would normally pass straight over the top of the tpu when it is off, when it is working correctly, it pulls the lines down through the tpu like a tornado, with a dead spot in the centre (eye of the storm).
The rotation of the field can then cut across the windings of the outer collector to create power.
So that means that if it generates a current in the collector it will do the same in the control windings and if the rotation is always the same direction then flipping it over will mean its working against itself and therefor stop working.
More current in the collector probably causes a run-away effect and may explain the heating effect where too much current is being created in the control windings from the vortex.

So be sure we have the vortex effect we need to see a spinning compass needle.
Surely the first test we must do is create a vortex and then worry about output power.
We can summise that SM managed to create a spinning vortex with just a primary and secondary frequency, which implies two sets of coils spaced apart vertically seperated by some foam filler.
I think the coils need to be linked together  via some coax core as Wavewatcher mentioned.
This looks like a simple experiment to try then.
Regards
Rob



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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2007, 02:32:18 PM »
Hi Rob,

I've been thinking about the use of the coriolis effect too. Wether ar not it is indeed being used by the tpu, I'm not sure. At first i thought it would have something function in the tpu. (as you can still see in my postst in bruce's thread). But then I realized then the tpu might be using the vertical component of the earths magnetic field instead of the obvious choice the horizontal one. In that case I think it is no longer necessary.
Anyway, to be short, maybe it is use maybe it isn't. I can't say for sure at the moment.....

Then about creating a vortex. How do we accomplish that. First I still wonder what stevens remark about the highspeed rotating magfield means. Here it is as a reminder:

48. Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a
magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things
suddenly change?  

I'm wondering if it maybe changes into a vortex at a certain rotation speed?
The other I saw somewhere the other day was the creation of a rotating field with 1st and 2nd harmonic.
I haven't been able to find it again afterwards...still looking for it.
It would fit in nicely with the use of those two freqeuncies in the tpu.

Then I found a nice patent for creating a Rotating Magnetic Field. It has some very advanced features. I suggest having a look at it, it could be very useful.

regards

Robert

 

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2007, 12:42:20 AM »
@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2007, 03:16:43 AM »
@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

I reckon to convert a rotating magnetic field to a vortex you need to add a vertical magnetic field i.e. North at the top, South at the bottom from either a permanent magnet or solenoid. Of course if you applied AC to the solenoid then you would have a vortex where the center moved up and down.

The vertical field adds a vertical component to the horizontal spinning which is a vortex. This is part of the idea of the Stephan Marinov magvid.

Or Helm holz coils above and below the rotation to create a uniform vertical magnetic field. This is a form of Penning trap. Charged particles that enter will be separated +ve to top, -ve to bottom. If Radiant Energy is created and is a charged particle, then you would get spinning charged particles, which in turn would create a rotating magnetic field that could be intersected. Coil on top would be +ve DC output, coil on bottom would be -ve DC output assuming collection coils are both wound in the same sense. Without the vertical field to separate the particles, the magnetic fields from the particles cancel each other.



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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2007, 07:17:19 AM »
@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob

Hi Rob,

yes I know the patent is old but the reason i put it here because it has features like stop on binary signal while stopping AT a phase crossing to prevent ringing in the coils. Also it can "fire" one revolution exactly starting and stopping at phase crossing.! Of course we can do alot with counters and multiple coils but you will never get a TRUE rotating field. Well I guess we have too see if that can work or not....

Here is a bit from the website you gave:

Already in the 19th. Century, Michael Faraday made some remarkable but little known discoveries in regard to spinning magnets. Faradays discovery was simple, but totally revolutionary. If a bar magnet is set spinning, the differential in velocity, down the radius, of each turning magnetic element, sets up a magnetic vortex. This effect is more pronounced with a series of bar magnets radiating from a central spinning hub, or a spinning, magnetic disc.
At a certain threshold of angular velocity, the magnetic vortex sets up an inter-dimensional energy portal through a vortex resonance.

This is the confirmation I was looking for. A spinning magnet sets up a vortex! If it gonna be inter dimensional I don't know......
It seems that you need to setup a North and a Southpole. Could it be that the top ring sets up a north pole and the bottom ring a south pole?  ::)

@BoB.Rennips
If the poles are on the top and bottom ring, would that give enough vertical component to the spinning field?

Anyone any idea how we can find out this angular treshold at which a vortex is created?

Regards

Robert

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2007, 08:00:14 AM »
@Robert,
The patent is old and there are much easier ways to do that now.
We could create a rotating field using say 10 coils wound onto a torroid fed from 10 mosfets connected to a decade counter, connected to a function generator.
Simple stuff, but I think SM managed to do it with just 2 control coils.

I need to order some more electronics parts this week so I will get some decade counters and divide by 'n' ICs too.
It should be a piece of cake to get the compass to spin but I think it needs to be done with two coils.
So you can have a rotating field in an electric motor but that is not the same as having a magnetic vortex.

http://home3.inet.tele.dk/hitower/vortex.htm

Rob
This is the confirmation I was looking for. A spinning magnet sets up a vortex! If it gonna be inter dimensional I don't know......
It seems that you need to setup a North and a Southpole. Could it be that the top ring sets up a north pole and the bottom ring a south pole?  ::)

@BoB.Rennips
If the poles are on the top and bottom ring, would that give enough vertical component to the spinning field?

Anyone any idea how we can find out this angular treshold at which a vortex is created?

Regards

Robert

Robert,

Well here's the interesting thing.

Let's say the top ring gives a North pole and the bottom ring a South pole. That is both coils are wound in the same sense and have DC current applied in the same direction. i.e. The coils are identical and stacked one on top of the other.

I'm fairly sure that in an aircoil the magnetic field next to the coil is the strongest. So there will be a larger vertical magnetic component on the outside diameter than in the center. This is what you need for a vortex.

You only need a small magnetic field to separate rotating charges. So lets say positive charges go to the top and spin clockwise - this will generate a magnetic field which will enhance the existing top coil magnetic field. The negative charges will go to the bottom and spin ANTICLOCKWISE - this will ALSO generate a magnetic field which will enhance the existing bottom coil magnetic field.

So even with a weak starting vertical magnetic field, as long as you are introducing charged particles into the spinning magnetic field, you will start up a feedback loop, that will enhance the vertical aspect of the vortex, enhancing further the charge separation. These coils are also a form of penning trap that stop the particles from leaving. The higher the magnetic field, the less charges escape. So as soon as you reach the point where the number of particles escaping is less than the number being created/second, you reach an avalanche point, where the charges build up, creating larger and larger magnetic fields, which can of course be intercepted via induction for high voltage, high current DC output. On top of this DC output would be an AC component due to the pulsing used to spin the magnetic field.

Oh look, that's the same output as described my SM!

The speed of the spinning can be controlled by the frequency of pulsing, obviously.

Where can we get a source of charged particles ?  Radiant Energy ?  High voltage spark gap ?

Speed for vortex effects to manifest - well Victor Schaumberger achieved interesting results with spinning water. There is a physical limit as to how fast you can spin water I would think. So I would say a circuit that can pulse up to 50khz thats 750000 rpm! for 4 coils per revolution would be more than enough for a first experiment.

Go Robert. Be the first to create an interdimensional vortex!

Cheers ,bOB

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 12:49:00 AM »
Check out the date, read a little, make sure you discuss new ground. This is an old subject.
I even got in on this mouth race. I posted a side, cross section of the hurricane/tpu breaking the earth flux lines then creating a hole. Marco came over that and threw in a vortex through the center. I posted a water drain at full speed has a hole. But it all starts way before that.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg9048.html#msg9048

So if you look at this picture you can see that this unit is done ramping up by the lack of magnetic field in the middle. Does the matter or ions control the flow, predict the flow or follow the flow? I am sure this spins the other way in the south hemi. I've heard that there is even lightning in there and the people living under that TPU wish they could escape! One time I played God and reached down from the heavens and grabbed a hurricane, reaching into the middle, and moving it around hoping it would shake itself. You should have felt the lightning!

Same laws, different places. For those that haven't been here long you've missed alot of fun.

--giantkiller. Look alive. Some of us have desktop storms brewing. I guess the next step is to spin a magnet?


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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 02:20:51 AM »
Rob,

Evidently, you won't be challenged on this subject. There is no doubt that a vortex is involved here. Like GK said, this has been an accepted fact for a while already. Still, I think that this thread is a good idea because we have to come back to basics.

By the way, I noticed that you didn't mention the following quote by Steven which is an additional confirmation of the existence of a vortex, considering that the imploding TV sets  have provide important clues in the development of the TPU:

He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and
pulled toward the TV set. When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws!

I also agree that the way to create this vortex is by rotating a magnetic field. As a matter of fact, here is an exerpt from one of my post dated September 28, 2006:

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... Ok, now it should be obvious to all of us that what sets a tv set apart from a radio is the image, right? Well in order to produce this image you have to scan the screen horizontally and vertically. Magnetically, this is done with the deflection yoke which basically consist of 4 separate coils working in pair to produce two perpendicular magnetic fields. Fact is if you operate two resonant LC circuits perpendicularly with a slightly different frequency (and maybe with a  frequency difference of approx. 7.8 hz) you achieve two goals: you create a rotational magnetic field and you combine two out of phase signals into the same magnetic flux which according to SM can yield some interesting results...


To produce a vortex, I submit to you that we need 2 frequencies. One is the rotational frequency of the vortex, while the other is the vertical penetration speed. When these 2 frequencies are combined, the desired effect should take place. Or at least, the stage should be set for the phenomena to appear.

Regards,

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Re: TPU as a magnetic vortex generator
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 03:48:10 AM »
As SM said here in Number 62:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2624.0;attach=10166

"Listen you need to make three coils or so one on top of the other.
But the important thing is to wrap the control coils perpendicularly around the
collector coils.
There need to be three of them all the way around.
Start them up one at a time each.
First frequency then second harmonic component into the second then the
third. "


==============

So I guess it is pretty easy.

As you know from tornados, the upper vortex part rotates slower and the deeper
you go the faster it rotates.

So as we have 3 collector coils, the upper control coilss on the upper collector coil
are fed with a slow rotating magnet field, ( e.g.from this posted shift register circuit)
the center ring control coils  are fed with the "second harmonic" of the upper one
( again via another  faster frequency shift register circuit)

and the lower
control coils of the lower ring are fed with at least  3 times the frequency.
( again via a 3rd faster frequency shift register circuit)

So then we have a stack of 3 collector coils that have from top to bottom a faster whirling spiral
magnet field which is in sync and which could trap and accelerate the earth magnetic field.

I guess this is very important to have this accelerating frequency setup.
Probably the setup could be enhanced, if you also make the diameter smaller
in the lower rings, so it acts as a real vortex which gets smaller diameter to the bottom.

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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 03:58:15 AM »
May I suggest looking at Lorenz Orbits. Some have already achieved rotation, most if not all don't know it. Doing it right is the key to only part of the process.

Place a compass in the middle of your TPU. Send two signals in opposite directions. One in one coil - one in the other. Start with the same frequency and phase. Where the two signals aid one another you should have one pole and 180 out you should have the other pole. Vary the phase relationship between the two signals to experiment on moving the poles.
A Sine wave should be good enough to start. Noise is not usually a big problem for this experiment.

It may be easier to send the signals both in the same direction first.
Then think of how to do it with the signals injected into the control coils instead.

I think of this part as being like beam control on a CRT except I'm not trying to send in one direction. I'm trying to create a down-up oscillation. Kind of like slapping the water surface at a specific rythym.

 

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