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Author Topic: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !  (Read 10905 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2007, 08:15:06 PM »
JNPCo. schrieb:
>> Okay, thanks,
>> it is now posted here:>>
>> http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2622.msg38417.html#msg38417
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>> The question really is,how much friction this huge Newman motor and the pump will have  at the used RPM ?
>>
>> Only the frictional  losses at these RPM will count and the heat losses inside the Newman machine
>> >from the input current.
>
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> In the solar panel demonstration Joseph Newman has constructed such a large demonstration (using a very large, 7,500-lb prototype) precisely because he gotten the pseudo arguments >from so-called engineers over the years that "...well, there MUST be something wrong with the ampmeters, voltmeters, or oscilloscopes!"  Why?  Because they cannot believe their own eyes.
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> So, for the moment -- dispense with the meters/oscilloscopes.  Go with your intuitive observations.
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> You mention "frictional losses" above.  Let's talk about "friction".
>
> Let's take the rotary of Joe's 7,500-lb machine.  That weighs in at 1,200 pounds.  I've tried to turn that shaft with my bare hands.  I would suspect that you, like me, would be able to BARELY turn it about a 1/3 of a revolution.  Simply put: there is a lot of FRICTION.  And I've felt the weight of that 450-lb flywheel.  I'd hate to have to lift it!  Joe tells me that two grown men grabbing the rotary of the 350-pound positive displacement pump --- with all their applied strength --- can barely turn that rotary even one full revolution!  And it takes them 2 minutes to do so!  I'd say that's a bit of "friction".
>
> Thus, if ANYONE tells me that 120 watts external input ---- ALONE ---- from several solar panels is capable of ALONE producing the input energy that results in the external output energy of: 1) rotating a 1200-lb rotary 500+ rpms , 2) rotating a 450-lb flywheel 500+ rpms, 3) rotating the rotary of a 350-lb positive displacement pump over 100 rpms, AND 4) pumping water against a 10-foot head at 5,000 gal/day .......  if ANYONE said that such externally outputted mechanical energy was accomplished by ONLY by 120 watts external input, I'd have to say they are a candidate for a first class lobotomy!
>
> So, excepting those individuals who are lobotomy candidates, my question would be:
> If the solar panels only provide a 120-watt input, then WHERE ----- WHERE  ----- W H E R E ???????????????? ----- is the additional energy coming from to accomplish all of the above mechanical actions????????
> A sincere, intellectually-honest, and open-minded individual would ask such a question.  And those who do will be the pioneers in applying this technology to the future.
>

Dear Evan,


as I don?t know, if the 7500 pound motor has any iron inside the stator
and the magnets inside the rotor will cogg  to this iron,
it could be really hard to turn the rotor if there is no voltage applied
due to this cogging effect ..


Otherwise, if the voltage from the solar panels are applied, I could imagine,
when Newman uses good bearings, that after the powering up phase, when the motor
spins at its idle RPM this 7500 pounds Newman motor only needs about 10 to 20 Watts to overcome
the friction inside the bearing, as there is only mainly the bearing friction to overcome.

As the flywheel is not a fan, this will not drag much down the motor via airfriction.
so airfriction is probably pretty minimal , probably below 10 Watts.


 Now let?s say from the 120 Watts of input remains about 100 Watts at the Newman machine output shaft,so
as there is also a gear which amplifies the torque via lower RPM conversion, you have left this 100 Wattsto pump the water 10 foot high.
As we already calculated, it only needs about 17 Watts constantly to do so  to pump 0.56 Liters/sec or 5000 gallons
of water per day 10 foot up.
So all in all this pump could waste about 100 Watts - 17 Watts = 83 Watts of power in friction to do the pumping...
As long as we don?t have the exact measurements of friction versus RPM of these devices, it is all
speculation how efficient this Newman motor is.
At least there are smaller pumps that can pump the water much higher at lower input Wattage,
so this was not such a good demo.

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2007, 08:18:25 PM »
Forwarded from Evan Soul?:


Joseph Newman now reports that his solar panel demo runs IN THE RAIN!

Also, while the system operates, the ampmeter continuously runs NEGATIVE. 

It runs from zero to negative-zero to negative-zero to negative ..... constantly.

Also, the capacitor shows a charge of well over 300 volts while the system is running.

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2007, 01:48:35 AM »
From Evan Soul?:


Stefan,

One could discuss the parameters of the energy machine until the cows come home to roost (to mix metaphors).

But Joseph Newman has issued a worldwide challenge:

Prove him wrong and walk away with $10,000.

He has stated that there is NO conventional motor than can do what his does.

So, simply, if someone has a conventional motor that CAN do what his does --- prove him wrong, win the challenge, and walk away with $10,000.

At this point in his life, he is not going to endlessly debate such things as "whether the friction (or lack of it) is or is not a factor."  He's beyond debate.  At this point, he provided a challenge.  He "puts his money where his mouth is."

Anyone who is convinced that his demonstration is wrong (for whatever reason) has an opportunity to put up or shut up.

And if the past is any indication -- no one will rise to the challenge.

Evan   

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2007, 02:14:09 AM »
The only problem with "the challange" is it has to be equally as inefficient as his device meaning that it must spin all these thousand pound components and not just pump water. That is a challange I'll admit, but its a useless device to duplicate since the machine is so inefficient. Now some people are confusing losses with work. There is a difference, unless the loss is influencing the enviornment, its just a way too big fly wheel.

I have a pump right now that'll pump more water when using the same input source, but that doesn't qualify. No half a ton of spinning steel to show off... I guess thats important for a water pump to have.

I think someone is either influencing Joe to stand behind this badly planned demo, or he's losing it.
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2007, 02:37:18 AM »
A good demo would have been running the former used
alternator-generator with the 7500 pound Newman
motor and powering a 5 x 100 Watts incandescent bulbs load from it
from the 120 Watts of solar input power.

Then everybody could immediately  see, that the Newman motor would put out more power
than the solar panels could deliver.

Why is Joe Newman not doing this ?

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2007, 06:52:45 AM »
That I can't say...

I assume it is possible with some of his larger engines. The best example was the truck that drove arround for 30 minutes in a golf cart battery set. That motor coupled to the solar array would have made much more sence as it had to produce lots of wattage to get over the rolling resistance of the truck.

Like I said before though, either someone is tricking/confusing him or he his losing his mind with old age.

Either way it makes me worry for him,
~Dingus Mungus

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2007, 03:07:32 PM »
Maybe someone is influncing him.  In a bad way. :(

THE MEN IN BLACK sometimes would stop by my scientist friend house and ask him for hes help on a project. He was just getting better after a bout with pancreatitis. Luckily he had a doctor's note. LOL

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2007, 04:08:43 PM »
Thanks for the link Stefan.

Hmm..
God should tell Joseph Newman to connect an electric generator instead of a water pump to his machine.
If the voltage isn't high enough to drive the machine, it must simply be a question to use a step-up transformer to provide enough voltage.

Remember his device doesn't run on current, but on voltage - as he states quite a few times in his videos - but then why does he have all of his solar panels i parallel, and not in series which produces a much higher voltage?

Oh, one of the people helping him said he couldn't turn the rotor, but Newman turns it quite easily in the video. (But then again, the windings weren't shorted when he turned it  ;D)

A selfrunner would be convincing - pumping water isn't.



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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2007, 04:09:20 PM »
I fully agree...

A 10kilo alternator should be no problem for it if its running a 150 kilo water pump. If he could show us a more power coming out than going in it would be one thing, but the demo is still really inefficient. I'm looking at solar panels right now and it'll cost me at least 500$ to get something capable of producing the wattage needed. I believe in his motors and work with no doubt, but the math is simply not in his favor.

Also his explanation about pulling amerage dropping the voltage is true, but if you step down the the voltage, then the current steps up... I want to try and get some panels together to test if it is possible with a standard high efficiency electric pump.

~Dingus Mungus

P.S. Does anyone here already have some 50-100w panels to test this?

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2007, 02:28:07 AM »


Oh, one of the people helping him said he couldn't turn the rotor, but Newman turns it quite easily in the video. (But then again, the windings weren't shorted when he turned it  ;D)

Exactly,
that was, what I was wondering too.
So it seems he has no iron in the stators,
when he has the rotor full of permanent magnets.
So it is sure, there is no cogging and he can
turn the motor very easily by hand, he just only
have to overcome the inertia of the flywheel.

So from this short sequence, where he turns the rotor via
the flywheel with his hands, one can guess, that the friction
force is not very high.

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A selfrunner would be convincing - pumping water isn't.


You are right, if at least the water would be going like crazy,
but this low volume is a bit a pitty...

So not a very convincing demo.

He really should have optimized the motor for the electrical
output via RF power and light up several incandescent light bulbs
in series with the motor coil.
That is in my view the only opportunity of such a big motor.
The mechanical output is not so strong,
otherwise he would put a generator to it and run it selflooped.



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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2007, 03:53:27 AM »
I agree these motors are not made for intense mechanical power unless you are using a low ohm coil and a much higher amperage, but think of it this way: If the pump can sustain the back pressure of a 5" in diam by 10 foot hose filled with water(15kilosBP), then it should be able to turn a 100w alternator. Unless of course the vacuum of the water coming down the tube creates a syphoning effect and removes some of the load from the pump. I can't really tell in the video, but it appears that the exit volume is not sufficient to create a vacuum on its way down.

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Re: Newman now runs its 7500 pounds motor solely on solarcells !
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2007, 11:50:06 PM »
Sounds to me like Joe here seems to have forgotten something called inertia. Sure even a small 20-30 watt motor can spin a 7500 lb flywheel (given the right friction), but it will take a hell of a lot of time to get it up to speed. Once the flywheel is up to speed, it will continue to spin at this speed for a LONG time on a small load, even when the power to the motor is switched off.

I don't think Joe realizes that all he has created is a HUGE mechanical "capacitor" which slowly builds up energy trickled from solar panels. Its not magic, its not a mystery, its just a misunderstanding.

His challenge is pointless. Spinning a flywheel proves nothing with regards to efficiency as it poses no permanent load. Once the flywheel is spinning up to speed, it continues to do so and it takes little energy to keep it there (all one needs to do is supply enough energy to overcome heat loss to friction and pumping 10-30 watts worth of water). Hell, I'll go over there and use my own two hands to spin that flywheel myself and keep it going all day easily. Does my body count as a motor?

 

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