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Author Topic: Scope shots of clean kicks  (Read 26601 times)

Offline giantkiller

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2007, 09:06:26 PM »
I think the follow shot is of a diode in the 6 inch tpu.

Great post Bob! This will be easy to implement in the current ECD.
This same diode could be in the wire bundle of the SM17 at the inner toroids. It is wrapped in tape but we've seen this shape of leads before in our electronic adventures of life.

The (17_32)? in the 17.zip post by Marco is a clear shot. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg37542.html#msg37542
I am still curious about the SM17 having matching pairs of circuits. Only 2 sets, like the coil is spilt in left and right halves and 2 sets in each half of the circuit.
Only 2 of everything. Shown symmetrically too.

I am interested in what you think.

--giantkiller.

I can't tell if there's a diode in the SM17 pic - too indistict IMHO. I do believe that diodes are a part of the smaller unit so it makes sense they would also be part of the larger unit.

You are definately on the money on everything being in pairs. Those two yellow cylinders in the center are 1000 volt caps IMO. The two Black capacitors right next to the coil have resistors soldered to the leads. They are right next to the coil because THEY HAVE TO BE. It would make more sense to mount them in the middle otherwise. And why are they near the coil ? - because they form an LCR, one for each coil, and the lead lengths are critical for the resonance. All IMHO of course. Alternatively the caps could be smoothing caps and the resistors are there to limit ringing on the output ?

One of the cut-coil pics showed the top and bottom coils looking like horizontal wound flat ribbon wire. I'm thinking the symmetry is top - bottom, as opposed to left- right. This might explain why this TPU is so thin and tall. Tall to separate the coils. Wasn't there some strange 'wooly' like material between the top and bottom coils ? Perhaps there is also a capacitance effect going on between the top and bottom coils.

I think the small toroids in the middle are high-frequency choke coils.

Thanks. The hidden part tells me axial leaded part. But that isn't difficult.
The tall idea fits with the verticle wing idea for RE emmisions. Think about this: ECD has sharp edges on transmiitter bottom and receptor top. They point along the horizontal plane and are offset by a vertical angle of 45 degrees. With what you noticed the horizontal top and bottom could be the sharp edge receptors. Otto and Roberto have done more with 2 frequencies than with 3. And that ties into the bipolar symmetry of the SM17 and other tpus. The ECD bottom is 6" and the top is 4". That also looks like energy compression which would be like an even higher level of phase intermodulation of the 2 frequencies coming in. 3rd harmonic?

--giantkiller.

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2007, 09:06:26 PM »

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2007, 09:40:33 PM »
I've been reading anonymously for a while and find this stuff absolutely fascinating.

I've been thinking about what's happening in the operation of these things and will write it out (as simply as I can) and hopefully someone will tell me that I'm wrong/right.

You're sending a moving EM wave through a mobius coil (not a perfect mobius because it doesn't cancel itself completely?) and moving EM wave is creating a standing EM wave in the mobius (double freq. of the wave). Then you're sending another moving wave that is double the frequency of the initial wave that collides with both itself creating a new standing wave and with the previously created standing wave (does this standing wave collapse or combine to create a larger standing wave?). From there you send a third wave that is the first wave frequency plus the second wave frequency through. This creates a third standing wave when it hits itself. Then as things move along the standing wave just gets bigger and bigger if everything is perfectly in sync ultimately creating a standing wave so big that the materials in the device can't contain it. Right? Wrong?


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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2007, 11:53:03 PM »
Well, I got my drivers just now! ;D

Fired two of the three drivers up at 1KHz and got the strange oscillation in the waveform seen in the attached video.  The scope is perfectly synced to the 1KHz waveform; this oscillation is way below 1KHz!

The scope probe was attached between the first MOSFET's drain (connected to a driver coil) and ground.  The same oscillation (perfectly in sync) was seen on the second MOSFET's drain.

This driver circuit is extremely stable compared to my previous attempts.  The MOSFETs get warm at a 50% duty cycle, but stay stone cold at a 10% duty cycle.  Rising/falling edges are nice and clean at the MOSFET gates.

More tests to come of course; just wanted to give an update.

Eldarion

EDIT: Overunity.com keeps timing out when I try to upload the video file, so here it is on my slow server:
http://www.falconir.com/MOV02114.MPG
DIAL-UP WARNING: 12.7Mb! :D

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2007, 11:53:03 PM »
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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2007, 12:23:04 AM »
When I remember right, I have set a limit of about 12 MB per file,
so you should split movies for 2 shorter files then.
Many thanks.

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2007, 01:22:59 AM »
@Eldarion
maybe it is some kind of beat frequency ( Difference frequency of the 1 Khz out of phase signals ?)

Maybe you can better trigger onto this beat frequency ,so one can see it better ?
Does your scope have a storage for the waveforms ?
Then set the timing to very long milliseconds/div and see where the beat waveform occurs.


Please recompress your MPEG movie files to DIVX.com codec or
WMV via Microsoft Windows Media Encoder to get smaller files.

A datarate of 300 to 500 Kbbits/sec for the video should be enough
for a MPEG-4 type encoding.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2007, 01:22:59 AM »
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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2007, 01:24:27 AM »
Hi Bob:
   Could you tell me how you have the diodes hooked up.  As in are both cathodes towards the ground side? Would seem correct to me. Just want to be sure.

sugra


Yes. See attached.

For how long is the 300 Volts pulse hold there in milliseconds ?
Many thanks.

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2007, 02:09:18 AM »
@Eldarion
maybe it is some kind of beat frequency ( Difference frequency of the 1 Khz out of phase signals ?)

Maybe you can better trigger onto this beat frequency ,so one can see it better ?
Does your scope have a storage for the waveforms ?
Then set the timing to very long milliseconds/div and see where the beat waveform occurs.


Please recompress your MPEG movie files to DIVX.com codec or
WMV via Microsoft Windows Media Encoder to get smaller files.

A datarate of 300 to 500 Kbbits/sec for the video should be enough
for a MPEG-4 type encoding.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

Unfortunately my scope is a basic analog model.  Many times have I desired it to store waveforms....

The beat frequency (for lack of a better word) does something odd at startup though.  It isn't there at first start, then it shows up as a narrow pulse (same frequency, smaller duty cycle), and grows until it is like the video I sent.  I wonder if this is part of the "turbine effect"?  More likely it is just my wishful thinking. :)

I tried to re-encode the video, but my Windows Media Encoder install is botched up right now.  I'll try to fix it before I send another video.

Thanks,

Eldarion

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2007, 02:09:18 AM »
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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2007, 05:37:52 AM »
@Eldarion
maybe it is some kind of beat frequency ( Difference frequency of the 1 Khz out of phase signals ?)

Maybe you can better trigger onto this beat frequency ,so one can see it better ?
Does your scope have a storage for the waveforms ?
Then set the timing to very long milliseconds/div and see where the beat waveform occurs.


Please recompress your MPEG movie files to DIVX.com codec or
WMV via Microsoft Windows Media Encoder to get smaller files.

A datarate of 300 to 500 Kbbits/sec for the video should be enough
for a MPEG-4 type encoding.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

Unfortunately my scope is a basic analog model.  Many times have I desired it to store waveforms....

The beat frequency (for lack of a better word) does something odd at startup though.  It isn't there at first start, then it shows up as a narrow pulse (same frequency, smaller duty cycle), and grows until it is like the video I sent.  I wonder if this is part of the "turbine effect"?  More likely it is just my wishful thinking. :)

I tried to re-encode the video, but my Windows Media Encoder install is botched up right now.  I'll try to fix it before I send another video.

Thanks,

Eldarion

Great news that your circuit is up and running with well shaped pulses. Might be worth while seeing if that narrow pulse is affected by the placement of a magnet at various points in your coil.


« Last Edit: July 03, 2007, 08:49:45 AM by bob.rennips »

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2007, 06:11:32 AM »
Hi Bob:
   Could you tell me how you have the diodes hooked up.  As in are both cathodes towards the ground side? Would seem correct to me. Just want to be sure.

sugra


Yes. See attached.

For how long is the 300 Volts pulse hold there in milliseconds ?
Many thanks.

After switch off, the pulse goes to around 550V oscillates around the 300V for around 10% of the duty cycle and then settles at 300V for the rest of the cycle. It will hold steady for around 100 milliseconds and then decays down to a lower level 50v-100V, again depending on the insulation used.

At the frequencies we're using 5000khz+, it gives plenty of time to pulse that steady electric field with another set of pulses  from a bifilar coil. The interaction between two such coils is very interesting.

 

« Last Edit: July 12, 2007, 10:29:20 AM by bob.rennips »

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2007, 09:04:12 AM »
Bob Boyce on the "Talking about phase' thread has said:

"I do pre-load the toroid with a DC bias on the secondary winding that covers the entire 360 degrees of the toroid. This is typically 155 to 160 VDC, and provides the dipole potential that I spoke of in my post on page 67 on the "Successful TPU-ECD replication !" thread. The incoming energy is superimposed upon this bias supply, which is sent to the load. This dipole potential does not have to be that high, but the higher it is, the more effective it becomes. Testing with this particular toroidal device has shown that bias supply potentials below 11.5 VDC result in below unity performance."

I initially read from this that the output coil should have an applied DC voltage of at least 11.5 VDC but then realised that there is a secondary per pulse unit.

Given that we are trying to transfer the 'kick' responce energy from one coil to the next. It looks like the receiving coil requires a DC bias. I've already proven that serial/isolation diodes will hold the potential on the coil until the next pulse arrives. So when a kick is transferred from the previous coil, the potential should still be held on that coil at a high enough level. Adding a good thin insulator between the layers of the coils seems to help.

Is holding a potential the same as applying a DC bias, in TPU land ?

Roll on weekend. Sometimes owning your own business is such a drag. Can't pull a sicky without loosing income, customers or both....

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2007, 02:47:21 PM »
I've been checking out what can increase the capacitance of a solenoid - as measured by the ability to hold a charge when using isolating diodes - which I'm assuming is the equivalent of capacitance - and is the effect I'm after.

By far the best result has been obtained by wrapping a bifilar and then connecting in series. I can't do better than Nicola Tesla to explain this!

http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php

This is common sense but the following increases the capacitance:

In all cases the same length and gauge of enamelled wire was used.

1. A neatly, wound coil, with each turn placed right up against its neighbour.

2. 2 layers of PVC tape wound tight between each layer added about 10%. I initially thought the more PVC tape the better as 1 layer added 5% and two layers added 10%. But more layers reduced the capacitance. I've assumed that two layers of PVC works better because the first layer really sinks into any spaces around the wire coils. The next PVC layer seems to provide a nice bed for the next layer of wire to sink into - eliminating all the air spaces. (I tried paper and masking tape between layers but this wasn't nearly as effective.)

3. The diameter is larger than the length of the coil.

4. For the same amount of wire a pancake coil was far better than a solenoid but not sure how you would wrap a secondary on such a coil if needed. Doing rotated pulses through pancake coils would be an interesting experiment - another one for my long list!

« Last Edit: July 05, 2007, 07:02:06 AM by bob.rennips »

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2007, 07:00:12 PM »
I think we are all on the same page! Fantastic. It's good to know that others have come to the same conclusion regarding raising the inherent capacitance. Brnbrade's recent experiments also point to this being an important aspect.

The isolated coils hold, at the right frequency, in my case 300+V for the whole OFF period. The distance of influence on other metal objects is several feet. But this is as a voltage potential not as a current.

Will this held electric field transfer from one coil to the next ?
Will the electric field rotate at high speed ?

Will Eldarion's drivers arrive before the weekend ?!!

I've no idea how electric fields are going to mix in the center of Eldarion's TPU but I think we are all going to find out soon!!!!

Way to go. Good luck. Take things slow - we want you in one piece to report back!!

Cheers, Bruce.

The answer to the highlighted point is YES. You can capture the energy from the charged coil. But do it capacitively.... Soooo.... if you look at the coil like one plate of a cylindrical capacitor, wrap a sheet of aluminum foil around the outside of the coil and tie the foil to one end of a capacitor. Tie the other end of the capacitor to the circuit ground and guess what you just made? Tesla's Radiant Energy collector. But wait there's more! If the coil is being pulsed to charge it up, then add a coil to the receiving cap to turn it into a resonant tank circuit! Tune to resonance and take off from the tank!

God Bless,
Jason O

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2007, 07:06:42 PM »
This is also a way to decouple the load from the driving circuit...

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2007, 10:35:30 PM »
Well, I wrapped a coil around the outside of the TPU but wasn't able to couple much energy at all, regardless of frequency.

I am wondering if your original idea was correct; if I were to put some Schottkey diodes across the control coils in order to cause a magnetic spike on back-EMF that will couple into the next coil, etc.  The electric spike doesn't seem to do much good, at least as far as I can see.

More experiments to come...

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Re: Scope shots of clean kicks
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2007, 09:47:34 PM »
Hi bob:
   Having a f... of a time trying to send this file. Three times now and fail. One more time..

too much hullabaloo in the other areas to put it there so here you are.


 

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