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Author Topic: magswitch = overunity?  (Read 8656 times)

Offline bigface

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magswitch = overunity?
« on: June 25, 2007, 08:53:45 PM »
i recently found a magnet called magswitch that can be turn on or off without the use of electricity and it seems to me the force created by the magnet is many times the force required to turn it on. The company that makes it says that a 50mm magnet can have 500 pounds of lifting force and to turn it on only requires a few turns of a knob.  So i was thinking that maybe if you could set them up in a circle and with a magnet in the center like the sprain motor. You can achieve rotation by switching the magnets on and off, of course the switches will have to be electronically controlled because i doubt anyone can turn them on and off fast enough to keep up with the rotation.   There website can be found at www.magswitch.com

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2007, 09:03:24 PM »
ok, I am not sure here but are we talking about turning the magnet on and off while not in an effected magnet attraction . If so what would it take to turn the magnet off while it is being attract to a piece of iron or other magnet. It is possible this magnet is just being flipped 90* in a shielded case while not in attraction or repulsion.  Need more info

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2007, 09:12:57 PM »
i'm not sure about the technicalities of how this device works but i'm assuming that it takes as much energy to turn it on/off whether or not it is attracted to something.  if this is the case then i think that we could definitely build a very powerful overunity device using these magnets

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2007, 09:23:45 PM »
Ok you start , get one of the magnets and let us know  then we will follow if it works even alittle bit

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2007, 09:34:13 PM »
i'm probably gonna get a couple of these in a this week.  They're pretty expensive though $44 dollars each. Also, the website i posted above is wrong the correct link is http://www.magswitch.com.au/index.asp

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2007, 10:01:20 PM »
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? Rotate 185 degrees ON
? Reverse & turn off!

So its just magnet that rotate, nothing special about it :)

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2007, 10:13:47 PM »
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? Rotate 185 degrees ON
? Reverse & turn off!

So its just magnet that rotate, nothing special about it :)

yeah it is just a magnet that rotates but it can produce a lot of force with no electrical input and very little mechanical input, thats why its so special.  I don't know if this would work yet but if you have a circle of magswitches and have a magnet in the middle and if you have one magswitch turned on the magnet in the middle will be attracted to it, so when it moves towards it, you switch it off and have the magswith adjacent to it turned on and basically keep on repeating this to achieve rotation.  so its basically like a "cat chasing its tale". 

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2007, 12:17:20 AM »
Hi,

It depends on how quickly you will be able to turn on and off a magswitch in your circular array. So far I have seen mechanical operation of magswitch in their video demo, it would be very good of course if the mechanical operation of this very  interesting switch could be made electrically....

I found a patent (application?) on the magswitch:
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=WO2007033437&F=0

I can agree with 'the cat chasing its tale' setup (this is a principle in case of Torbay motor too) but as I mentioned above the magswitches mechanical operation in sequence should be solved to get rotation.

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2007, 03:57:41 PM »
Hi,

A couple of things occured to me. Switching off or on a permanent magnet was a topic on this forum, see this link:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1010.msg7455.html#msg7455
and LancaIV mentioned www.ibsmagnet.de  who manufactures electromagnets combined with permanent magnets and the combination is basically a holding magnet which can be switched off by a DC voltage to remove it easily, see here:
http://www.ibsmagnet.com/products/e_haftmagnete/hamaeltabschalt.php
(click on the English flag to get text in English if you see German text)

This way you could avoid applying any (small) mechanical force to operate the holding magnets (i.e. magswitches) and use a few Watts of DC input power. Of course here I assume that the whole setup you devise from the magswitches will be able to produce higher useful output than the DC input need... ::)

OF COURSE if you can find a solution for operating the magswitches by a genuine mechanical solution that needs really small mechanical input,  go ahead and do it!  (the task is to insure a higher than 90 degree displacement).

Jack H. solution is also worth mentioning for switching off/on a permanent magnet:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Director:Hilden-Brand_Electromagnet_Motor and see his valve.  He claims to achive overunity with his valves.

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Gyula

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Re: magswitch = overunity?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2007, 11:33:04 PM »
Maybe you could switch it off using the energy created from the rotation to get it passed the gate, which is basicaly saving it from the death of most overunity ideas. ???

 

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