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Offline beedees

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Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« on: June 23, 2007, 05:09:56 AM »
...if I'm producing 14.6 volts and 65 amps. ( D. C.) and using 12 volts @30 amp. draw, is this considered overunity? I know very little about the specifics of power-useage vs. generating it. Thanks ???

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2007, 05:16:32 AM »
What have you built old man? Tell use about your motor , might you have figured a way to control it ? Or is this something else all together?

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2007, 07:29:17 AM »
You know, ask a fairly simple question and get all kinds of questions right back. I've give up on asking all the people I know around here  any questions. I have been called all sorts of interesting names.....crazy old man was the one that I kinda took a fancy to. Thats alright though, my family knows I've got my ducks in a row....they've seen some of the things I've done. How about a magnet that attracts gold, aluminun, copper, silver, nickel, etc.? Been there, done that. You've  seen on the T.V. science programs where a frog is levitated in a electro-magnet that dims the lights for a hundred miles around when it's powered up? BIG DEAL.... I saw the same thing 30 years ago using a transformer from a junked T.V. set. Wasn't a frog though... couple of cockroaches and a dead mouse, aluminum, copper penny and so on. But I digress....yes this is a motor I'm talking about. The one I put together 30 yrs. ago was impressive as heck... lasted about twenty seconds before exploding. Mechanical switching won't cut it...thats for sure. I think with the advances in computer controls and high-strength light-weight materials available today, something like this might possible now. Will it make any useable power? Thats what I'm trying to find out. I understand torque and horsepower, but not the requirements to produce  a useable amont of power. Say, for instance, 6 h.p. @ 3200 r.p.m. Any good? Takes 12 volts @ 30 amps. Should pull a simple automotive alternator producing 14 volts and 65 amps. What exactly defines overunity, anyway? Laws of physics say no way, Jose'. I don't think I. Newton had access to computer, so what was true 400 years ago is not necessarily true today. Hey, Pluto's not a planet anymore..things change. These things I'm blathering about are NOT my original ideas, BTW....just revisiting some things I was shown a long time ago by what I considered to be a C.O.M. R.I.P. Victor Scott a.k.a. Scotty.....I'm sure you're gone by now,  prowling through that great big junkyard in the sky, and I'm not too far behind you.   BTW, anybody got any thoughts on the Hutchinson effect?

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2007, 09:14:02 AM »
I believe truth is inflated and only demonstrates perspective. Eyes only see what is in focus - truth is what logical brains focus on. Most around here are vested in discovery and understanding. Given those persuits truth is a type of dead end - we must backtrack and work another path. Truths of old do not lose their value - no more than the world disappears when out of focus.

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2007, 01:45:11 PM »
...if I'm producing 14.6 volts and 65 amps. ( D. C.) and using 12 volts @30 amp. draw, is this considered overunity? I know very little about the specifics of power-useage vs. generating it. Thanks ???

Hi,

Yes, I think what you asked can be considered overunity. 
Your input 12V x 30A=360 Watts
Your output 14.6V x 65A=949 Watts

Please read here some thoughts on efficiency and COP (Coefficient of Performance) from Thomas Bearden:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/022502.htm

So if your measurements are correct you have got a device with a COP of 2.63! This is fantastic achievement.  Could you tell me / us some more details on your device?

Regards
Gyula

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2007, 02:52:13 PM »
This statement was a sort of  yes to your question .
"What have you built old man"  I did not know you were looking for a scientific answer . So I posted a more playful answer using a play on words.

It comes from old comedy "what did you do now"
but unfortunately we have little comedy here , it's straight face and boot lace around here , most of the time.

I did not mean to upset anyone one with my foolish little questions
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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2007, 06:38:37 PM »
No offense taken, I DO have a sense of houmer...humer....homer, whatever. I do see a lot sniping on this board, however.  ::) ::)

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2007, 06:41:14 PM »
It is just human nature

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2007, 08:13:11 PM »
It is just IronHead nature ;)

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2007, 08:38:16 PM »
what did you do now?........... Laurel and Hardy? ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2007, 08:40:08 PM »
beedees"
You got it. You just wont see good physical comedy like that any more .The  good  ol days . Laurel and Hardy


about TheOne
He aint wrong  , crazy but not wrong


And flaming ,sniping and such , well nothing really wrong with that . The warm rush that you feel up your back as it heats your brain , lets you know your alive . It's like that Roughtwiler  that jumps the fence and you know all he wants is your butt attached to his teeth. That poor puppy is just playing , showing you who is boss of the fence. Even if he does kill you, he did not mean to . He just does not understand how fragile people have become.




A head full of pure Iron , which gives me good focus
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« Last Edit: June 24, 2007, 02:01:59 AM by IronHead »

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2007, 06:22:58 PM »
...if I'm producing 14.6 volts and 65 amps. ( D. C.) and using 12 volts @30 amp. draw, is this considered overunity? I know very little about the specifics of power-useage vs. generating it. Thanks ???

Hi,

Yes, I think what you asked can be considered overunity. 
Your input 12V x 30A=360 Watts
Your output 14.6V x 65A=949 Watts

Please read here some thoughts on efficiency and COP (Coefficient of Performance) from Thomas Bearden:
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/022502.htm

So if your measurements are correct you have got a device with a COP of 2.63! This is fantastic achievement.  Could you tell me / us some more details on your device?

Regards
Gyula
Thanks for your reply. The example I used was based on a '70's vintage alternater. I know there are  ones
much more efficient now, but I like dealing with smaller numbers. This motor (using the term loosely) does work, the first and only one so far for a very short time.
   Now comes the buts and the ifs.
How does D.C. voltage convert to A.C. voltage---numbers wise?
I'll need the expertise of a computer expert- I need a system capable of switching on and off  up to 57,600 ( maybe more, probably less) times a minute in a varying preset sequence...is this even possible?
        Thanks
This thing is big...in this case the bigger the better.

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2007, 11:25:28 PM »
How does D.C. voltage convert to A.C. voltage---numbers wise?
I'll need the expertise of a computer expert- I need a system capable of switching on and off  up to 57,600 ( maybe more, probably less) times a minute in a varying preset sequence...is this even possible?
        Thanks
This thing is big...in this case the bigger the better.

It's pretty simple for sine waves.
(http://www.pcguide.com/ref/power/ext/z_ac.gif)

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The way the science world measures the energy in an AC signal is to compute what is called the root mean square (RMS) average of the voltage. In simple terms, the RMS value of an electrical current is the number which represents the same energy that a DC current at that voltage would produce; it is in essence an average of the alternating current waveform.
All you need to do is take the peek voltage, say 170V, multiply it by .7071 and that gives you the RMS, in this case I get 120V.
.7071 is easy for me to remember because it is the sine of a 45 degree angle.

Here is another way to say it.
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Electrical engineers state the voltage of an AC sine wave as the RMS (root-mean-square), a value equal to the peak value of the sine wave divided by the square root of two, which is approximately 1.414. If you know the RMS voltage, you can multiply it by the square root of two to calculate the peak voltage of the curve. If you were to power a light bulb from 120V(RMS) AC, you would get the same amount of light from the bulb as you would by powering it from 120V DC.
(.7071 is the inverse of 1.414. 1/.7071 = 1.414)

  BTW, anybody got any thoughts on the Hutchinson effect?
I have had an idea floating around in my head that might just describe the effect. I'll have to search around for an animation that I made to depict it.
In talking to John Hutchinson I am not entirely convinced that he knows what is going on with his experiments. Maybe he has listened to too many scientist, I don't think they know how things really work anyway.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2007, 12:38:37 AM by angryScientist »

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2007, 12:22:33 AM »
Talking about RMS, most voltage meters today will not give you the peak voltage. They will give you a RMS voltage. If you measure the voltage of you wall outlet it will say 120V not 170V.

Any way here is my idea that MIGHT have some bearing on the Hutchinson effect.
(http://uploads.abovetopsecret.com/ats34679_fluxcap.gif)
The plates are electrified just as a capacitor. Electrons will be attracted to one plate and protons attracted to the other. As they move that tinny amount they move through a magnetic field. Since they are moving in opposite directions the magnetic deflection will be in the same direction for both charges.
Just to be punny I call this a 'flux capacitor'

I think that the same thing may be happening in Hutchinson's experiments with two electromagnetic waves at right angles to each other. They would have to have the same frequency and the proper phase. If they didn't have the correct phase then the effect would happen in a different area than the ideal 90 degree point.

(http://uploads.abovetopsecret.com/ats35323_Deflection.gif)

EDIT:
Oh, here is the link to Hutchinson's web site and forum;
http://hutchisoneffectonline.com

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Re: Stupid questions from crazy old man....
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2007, 03:51:01 PM »
What have you built old man? Tell use about your motor , might you have figured a way to control it ? Or is this something else all together?
A simple solenoid  of infinite travel, changing linear motion to rotating.

 

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