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Author Topic: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters  (Read 108224 times)

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2010, 09:52:34 PM »
Hi a guy told me for a solid state Bedini just replace the 1n4001 with a 10K resistor and add a 20k resistor between base and collector.
Is this true?
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2010, 01:38:22 PM »
Hi guys I tried this and it really works. It oscillates without a rotor.

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2010, 02:08:32 AM »
Hi guys I tried this and it really works. It oscillates without a rotor.


Confirmed.  I have just tried this and it works beautifully.  If I had to estimate its charging at least 5 times faster than with the rotor and without all the tweaking hassle.

Here's the differences in my setup compared to the Bedini's SSG:
1. The coil I use is 800 turns but the same #23/#26 bifilar
2. I am using 16v primary (18v actually measured) from an adapter since I didn't want to keep draining batteries while I tried to get this up and running
3. I have a 5k pot next to the 100ohm resistor, but its set to ~1 ohm atm resulting in a 550ma draw.  If I bump it up pretty high I can get the amp draw down to 150ma but it seems to charge a little slower.  I'm guessing tweaking can be done here for optimum charging vs. amp draw but after working on this for about a week straight (all day today) plus having a cold atm I need a break!

I am thinking that if I used multiple coils in the same way the ssg can be scaled up then I could charge faster?
All I need to do now is wind more coils unless someone says otherwise

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #32 on: April 19, 2010, 02:08:32 AM »
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2010, 02:15:10 AM »
What exactly "it works" means in this case?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2010, 02:21:09 AM »
Hi a guy told me for a  Bedini just replace the 1n4001 with a 10K resistor and add a 20k resistor between base and collector.
Is this true?
Thanks


I tried the above, which I took to mean, modifying a Bedini SSG circuit as stated above and remove the rotor component.
When this is done, the charging battery charges up without the need for the rotor to be present.
This "works" for me, as in, the battery charges (much better I might add) when the circuit is closed

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2010, 12:59:24 PM »
Hi niofox I had done this on a double coil bedini and my problem is that one of my coils was winded with a new bold and it became magnetized. So now it cannot handle certain high oscillations.
Maybe I have to wind it again :(
Ok I am glad that worked for you too.
Thanks

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2010, 01:46:47 PM »
Hi guruji,
How long did it take to magnetize?
What was your core made of?

Right now I'm using copper-coated welding rods that are pretty much the same as what was recommended for the ssg.
Before I took out the rotor there were times when I would leave it running overnight only to find the rotor stopped because the coil moved closer and stuck to one of the magnets.  This happened a number of nights and yet the core did not become useless nor did it seem to degrade in performance as far as I can tell.

I would be very interested in finding out if this high oscillation might have a greater magnetization effect

Thanks the heads up!

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2010, 09:28:22 PM »
Hi guruji,
A did it take to magnetize?
What was your core made of?

Right now I'm using copper-coated welding rods that are pretty much the same as what was recommended for the ssg.
Before I took out the rotor there were times when I would leave it running overnight only to find the rotor stopped because the coil moved closer and stuck to one of the magnets.  This happened a number of nights and yet the core did not become useless nor did it seem to degrade in performance as far as I can tell.

I would be very interested in finding out if this high oscillation might have a greater magnetization effect

Thanks the heads up!

Hi Niofox if you did many rods of soft iron don't worry it would not magnetize. There are guys who did nothing for core just left an empty spool and found it better.
An idea came to my mind to change polarity of coils;now it doesn't effect knowing the fact it's without rotor :)
Yes if it's in high oscillation it would magnetize a metal rod faster I believe.
Ok lets keep charging
Thanks

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2010, 10:00:30 PM »
I have removed my core and restarted the charger.
It still works, battery is charging

I will monitor it for a while to see if it is better, but it definitely seems to be running at least as well just looking at the voltage rise over a few minutes
More on that in a few hours

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #39 on: April 19, 2010, 11:47:44 PM »
Hi Guys,

Do you mean that substituting the 1N4001 (transistor base-ground diode) with a 10K resistor and adding a 20k resistor between base and collector could 'work' (= self oscillate and charge another battery) in a 'standard' SSG having his rotor removed???

Or, I'm I missing something??? Core removed?

I have to try it on....

Very Best

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2010, 11:59:57 PM »
eh bien - je m'triste!   ;D

you didn't read my email, Avril 04?

"it's very interesting - and of course the JT   CCT     is more or less
the basic Bedini cct (eg. in SG motor & SolidState, etc) although in SSG of
course the timing comes from the wheel not from Xfr feedback"

it's ok - c'est de la gnognotte!!!   (sniff!)   ;)

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #41 on: April 20, 2010, 12:18:39 AM »
Quote from: NerzhDishual link=topic=2586.msg238252#msg238252 =1271713664
Hi ,

Do you mean that substituting the 1N4001 (transistor base-ground diode) with a 10K resistor and adding a 20k resistor between base and collector could 'work' (= self oscillate and charge another battery) in a 'standard' SSG having his rotor removed???

Or, I'm I missing something??? Core removed?

I have to try it on....

Very Best


Yes it charges the battery in my own experiment, and no longer need a core for the coil either (I am guessing because there are no more magnets to focus the magnetic field on without the rotor).

I have run tests for a few hours now and it seems that without the core it charges only as well as with.  In other words the core doesn't affect charging rate or amp draw as far as I can tell.  I have yet to do heavily controlled testing on this.
I am going to try switching back to a 12v dc adapter (from the 16v dc I am using now) to see how it works.
Eventually I will switch back to using batteries as my primary source when I get this fine tuned

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2010, 04:14:16 AM »
Ok so.  After spending the last whatever hours testing various things here are the results:
12v Adapter (reads 11v when charging) - Very Slow charging / Coil gets slightly warm to touch
16v Adapter (reads 18v when charging) - Fast charging / Coil gets warm to touch
30v Adapter (reads 31v when charging) - Very Fast charging / Coil gets hot to touch

All test were done with 400 ohms on the trigger circuit (where the pot + 100 ohm resistor sit) as this seems to be the optimum charging tweaking for my setup

I would love to leave the 30v adapter to charge my batteries but the amp draw is double that of the 16v adapter which makes it 4x the wattage which is bad for COP.  On the other hand, conditioning the batteries with it could be a very quick job

I am worried about the coil temperature though
Only 30 minutes and the coil became untouchable for longer than 5 seconds with my finger tips
If I leave it longer I think it will get even hotter.  As this coil was hard to come by and I won't be able to get another one for about a month (shipping to my country is costly so I choose slower methods) I think I will stick with the 16v adapter.

When I get 2 of my 12v batteries charged sufficiently I will hook them up in series and see how a 24v setup charges :)

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2010, 08:57:12 PM »
Ok so.  After spending the last whatever hours testing various things here are the results:
12v Adapter (reads 11v when charging) - Very Slow charging / A gets slightly warm to touch
16v Adapter (reads 18v when charging) - Fast charging / Coil gets warm to touch
30v Adapter (reads 31v when charging) - Very Fast charging / Coil gets hot to touch

All test were done with 400 ohms on the trigger circuit (where the pot + 100 ohm resistor sit) as this seems to be the optimum charging tweaking for my setup

I would love to leave the 30v adapter to charge my batteries but the amp draw is double that of the 16v adapter which makes it 4x the wattage which is bad for COP.  On the other hand, conditioning the batteries with it could be a very quick job

I am worried about the coil temperature though
Only 30 minutes and the coil became untouchable for longer than 5 A with my finger tips
If I leave it longer I think it will get even hotter.  As this coil was hard to come by and I won't be able to get another one for about a month (shipping to my country is costly so I choose slower methods) I think I will stick with the 16v adapter.

When I get 2 of my 12v batteries charged sufficiently I will hook them up in series and see how a 24v setup charges :)

Hi niofox very interesting results. It seems that not to give too much voltage or you're risking of burning the coil.
Ok thanks yes Nerzdishhual just putting two resitors and taking off the 1n4001. It works.
Thannks

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2010, 09:35:36 PM »
Hi Sandy,

Yes, I did read your April 4Th email!
No, it was not "de la gnognotte" (a load of rubbish).
Actually, none of your email are gnognotte.
Your Points are never null... ;D

Yes, I also think that all theses CCTs (Bedini, JT) are, more or less the same stuff.

My question was to get a confirmation that a slightly modified SSG circuit (with no rotor!) could "work" (charge another bat).

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BTW: Thanks to Niofox for all these informative feebacks.
If, whitout the core, it charges as well than with, I'm very fortunate because all my cores are glued! :P
So, I will not have to dismantle one.
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As my understanding of electronic is weak, it takes me a lot of time to catch something....

For example, I have just figured out that the attached CCT (from http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tepcoil.htm) is actually a kinda JT.

I have 'rewritten' this "twisted CCT".
In a classic JT the transistor is used 'common emitter' way (without emitter resistor).
JLN used a it 'common collector' way (just to make it simpler?)

So, next experiments:
1) Modified SSG.
2) Using A JT with 2 (one farad-5 Vols caps) and see I what is going on...

Very Best and thanks again to Niofox (and to Guruji BTW).


 

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