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Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« on: June 23, 2007, 12:23:58 AM »
Hi All,
here is a picture and a circuit diagram from John Peters,
who has designed a solid state Bedini Charger.
He says:


"In this solidstate circuit the radiant energy apears when charging the first capacitor bank, and after the big capacitor discharge to the battery, with the right timing pulses. That circuit consume miliAmps, the first blue capacitors are charged with only one wire from the transformer secondary and two diodes. No current from the secondary."


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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2007, 01:34:26 AM »
You wouldn't by any chance have a parts list with values for the schematic shown, would you?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 04:04:04 PM »
Just a word of precaution:

You've (also) basically made a quite broadband transmitter, and when you run it then you'll be "polluding" the radio bands, amongst other.
When run with square waves you'll have harmonic over-tones, and if you're unlucky you'll interfer crutial frequency bands - and you'll get a visit from the "MIB"  :-\

There's a reason why all electronic equipment has to comply with CE or FCC regulations  :o
I can tell you that some of the CE requirements are VERY tight, and even a small electronic system with a 20 MHz microcontroller with address/data busses routed around on a motherboard (4 layer pcb - one ground plane)can cause the test to fail.

This seems to be something that most people here don't think about  :(

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2007, 04:04:04 PM »
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2007, 12:00:12 AM »
Hi All,
here is a picture and a circuit diagram from John Peters,
who has designed a solid state Bedini Charger.
He says:


"In this solidstate circuit the radiant energy apears when charging the first capacitor bank, and after the big capacitor discharge to the battery, with the right timing pulses. That circuit consume miliAmps, the first blue capacitors are charged with only one wire from the transformer secondary and two diodes. No current from the secondary."



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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2008, 01:56:34 PM »
Now I like the idea of doing away with all the moving parts here...
as far as I've been able to figure from Bedini's patents and other papers, he uses the motors mainly to generate a high voltage...
But if it all works like Bearden and Bedini describe it, you don't really need the moving motor part at all,
because you should be able to achieve the desired radiant energy charge effect in any system pulsing hV in the right form...
However, 95% of all Bedini tech seems to focus on rotating motors or different types...
A personal preference of Bedini's, perhaps?

In any case, I do have a question.

All of the devices that use Bedini's "radiant energy" charge pulse, seem to use a battery.
Whatever the exact source of the hV charge, be it truly "radiant energy" or "back emf",
if the fact is that a hV charge is briefly generated which can be used by cunning switching,
then why does every embodiment need to charge a battery?
It should be possible to use that charge to feed a capacitor bank, and use the capacitor bank to produce a continuous output... shouldn't it?
So why not turn it into a system that doesn't charge batteries, but rather produces direct output?
I'd rather have a device ito which I can plug my extension cord, than one that can charge my batteries...

Does anyone know of such a Bedini type device that does produce the OU that Bedinis motor/battery chargers use,
but which is not yet another battery charger?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2008, 02:32:43 PM »
From the picture, I see a number of transistors (mosfets?) but not timing / pulse generator. Could this picture incomplete or did John Peters got a sort of oscillator circuit running?

Yes, a more electronics schematic (not a concept schema) with parts list and value would be most helpful.

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2008, 10:01:35 AM »
There isn't by any chance anyone here who have listened to Open Mind?
Because in one of the broadcasts were John Bedini was a guest, two viewers who had worked together called in and told them that they had made a solidstate version of bedini's devise. They explained alot of the theory, in adition to another phycisist/scientist who called in and explained about alot of wierd results he got from experiments he had conducted with the radiant energy.
I just wonder if you by any case is one of the those guys who made the devise work?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2008, 01:52:00 PM »
>“In this solidstate circuit the radiant energy apears when charging the first capacitor bank, and after the big capacitor discharge to the battery”

Where is your discharge circuitry none are in the picture or the diagram?
You have your battery schematic backwards. The secondary shape of your coil is not the one in your drawing.

> “with the right timing pulses.”
What is the “right timing”?  One Hertz? Hundred Hertz? At what times do you trigger the discharge?

>” That circuit consume milliamps”

How many mA? How did you measure it? An Amp meter, scope across a resistor? Be specific.

>” the first blue capacitors are charged with only one wire from the transformer secondary and two diodes.”

No they are charged by induction from the primary winding.

>” No current from the secondary."
Again, how do you know? How did you measure it?

I agree with @Thedane you have a crude broadband transmitter. I hope you don’t live near a hospital to interfere with life support devices. And don’t be surprised if people triangulate your position and ring your door bell.
@Thedane, The reason they don’t think about these things, is because they don’t have a clue of what they are doing.

If people are not willing to share complete (scientific) experimental data, they should not post teasers. We have enough of those.

I made an almost exact device a few years ago (except the top diode between the end of the primary and + of the battery) to see what all the hoopla was about and didn’t find any extra energy. The best result I got was at 2400Hz@15% duty cycle 12v pulses into the primary of a microwave oven high voltage transformer. The batteries went up to 14 volts after 10 minutes but that was a surface charge that only took ~2 minutes to discharge to the original voltage of 12.4v

Tried frequencies from 1 Hz to 10kHz in 10 Hz increments and duty cycles from 1% to 50% in 1% increments with a PIC microcontroller I programmed for this purpose that did the freq/duty changes, charging and discharging, all under program control and logged the results in memory for me to download and study.
I also built an Adams motor and a Bedini SSG and thought they were interesting to watch, but no excess energy was found no matter what combinations I tried.
So I’m not some “arm-chair”, nay sayer, theorist. I put months of work and hundreds if not thousands of $ in to it. What a waste of time and money. But I did learn something for sure, “These devices don’t work”. Maybe I am another fool to stick around these forums. Maybe I am hoping I did something wrong that I can see from reading some ones post. So far, nada.

P.S. I shielded my experiments in a Faraday cage to deal with the RF. I don’t want that knock on my door and the hefty fine that comes with it…

So, builder beware.

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 02:06:34 PM »
>“In this solidstate circuit the radiant energy apears when charging the first capacitor bank, and after the big capacitor discharge to the battery”

Where is your discharge circuitry none are in the picture or the diagram?
You have your battery schematic backwards. The secondary shape of your coil is not the one in your drawing.

> “with the right timing pulses.”
What is the “right timing”?  One Hertz? Hundred Hertz? At what times do you trigger the discharge?

>” That circuit consume milliamps”

How many mA? How did you measure it? An Amp meter, scope across a resistor? Be specific.

>” the first blue capacitors are charged with only one wire from the transformer secondary and two diodes.”

No they are charged by induction from the primary winding.

>” No current from the secondary."
Again, how do you know? How did you measure it?

I agree with @Thedane you have a crude broadband transmitter. I hope you don’t live near a hospital to interfere with life support devices. And don’t be surprised if people triangulate your position and ring your door bell.
@Thedane, The reason they don’t think about these things, is because they don’t have a clue of what they are doing.

If people are not willing to share complete (scientific) experimental data, they should not post teasers. We have enough of those.

I made an almost exact device a few years ago (except the top diode between the end of the primary and + of the battery) to see what all the hoopla was about and didn’t find any extra energy. The best result I got was at 2400Hz@15% duty cycle 12v pulses into the primary of a microwave oven high voltage transformer. The batteries went up to 14 volts after 10 minutes but that was a surface charge that only took ~2 minutes to discharge to the original voltage of 12.4v

Tried frequencies from 1 Hz to 10kHz in 10 Hz increments and duty cycles from 1% to 50% in 1% increments with a PIC microcontroller I programmed for this purpose that did the freq/duty changes, charging and discharging, all under program control and logged the results in memory for me to download and study.
I also built an Adams motor and a Bedini SSG and thought they were interesting to watch, but no excess energy was found no matter what combinations I tried.
So I’m not some “arm-chair”, nay sayer, theorist. I put months of work and hundreds if not thousands of $ in to it. What a waste of time and money. But I did learn something for sure, “These devices don’t work”. Maybe I am another fool to stick around these forums. Maybe I am hoping I did something wrong that I can see from reading some ones post. So far, nada.

P.S. I shielded my experiments in a Faraday cage to deal with the RF. I don’t want that knock on my door and the hefty fine that comes with it…

So, builder beware.

Its you who have a problem then, not everybody else. Do not spread distrust in this invention just because its to hard for you to figure out.

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2008, 02:06:34 PM »
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2008, 03:59:35 PM »
@Nabooo,
The problem with people like you (and the rest of your cult members) is that you BELIEVE anyone who says something you like to hear and bash others who say things you don’t want to hear.
If you are such a believer you must have a working unit! Oh let me guess, you just THINK it should work but are too lazy to do the work. Why bother building it if it should work? It all sounds plausible doesn’t it? Why would men try for 20, 30 or 60 years if there was nothing there? Why wouldn’t they just give up?

I am beginning to think that all this Radiant energy is nothing but a scam to sell books and videos and recruit uneducated high school drop-outs and gullible inexperienced people as fans to do free experiments for the cult leaders. Sure sounds like a cult to me.
How is that for a conspiracy theory?

If any of these machines worked, why are Tom Bearden, John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, etc still alive? Would it not be logical for these evil powers of the world to take these people out? Wouldn’t the rest of the cult just crumble after that?

I have better things to do on my day off than to argue with a bunch of fanatics who are just running on faith, relying on their illogical arguments.
If anyone has educated logical arguments, count me in the discussion. Otherwise, you’re free to bash me all you want and quote more of your outrages “pot-head”, alcoholic theories and conspiracies. I won’t say another word and only reply to those who make logical arguments even if their observations are contrary to mine.



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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2008, 08:46:31 PM »
@Nabooo,
The problem with people like you (and the rest of your cult members) is that you BELIEVE anyone who says something you like to hear and bash others who say things you don’t want to hear.
If you are such a believer you must have a working unit! Oh let me guess, you just THINK it should work but are too lazy to do the work. Why bother building it if it should work? It all sounds plausible doesn’t it? Why would men try for 20, 30 or 60 years if there was nothing there? Why wouldn’t they just give up?

I am beginning to think that all this Radiant energy is nothing but a scam to sell books and videos and recruit uneducated high school drop-outs and gullible inexperienced people as fans to do free experiments for the cult leaders. Sure sounds like a cult to me.
How is that for a conspiracy theory?

If any of these machines worked, why are Tom Bearden, John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, etc still alive? Would it not be logical for these evil powers of the world to take these people out? Wouldn’t the rest of the cult just crumble after that?

I have better things to do on my day off than to argue with a bunch of fanatics who are just running on faith, relying on their illogical arguments.
If anyone has educated logical arguments, count me in the discussion. Otherwise, you’re free to bash me all you want and quote more of your outrages “pot-head”, alcoholic theories and conspiracies. I won’t say another word and only reply to those who make logical arguments even if their observations are contrary to mine.




I say this because I have heard that others have replicated it, and succesfully to some extent.
I am not in a cult (I hate cults and HATE scientology), I belive in what Bedini says because for what I have heard of him he seems honest, and he hasn't tried to sell his books as much as you indicated.
Radiant energy is interesting to me, and it wasn't John Bedini who started to use that term ( as I think you know) but Tesla. Based on practical experiments which he did, and results which are very hard to explain, (like the induction of electricity and the feeling of stings through many layers of shielding, in a faraday-cage-like fasion) Tesla could transmit power both in electrical and physical forms, (like forcing objects to viberate which didn't have any metalls inside them).

Of course you must think for yourself and make up your own mind, don't listen to me ;)
But I think there is merith to bedini's technology, and I have myself build the mechanical version, which by the way charged up batteries which couldn't take voltage from a normal charger :)

Btw, which system do you think has the best chance of making it as a new power source here on this forum?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2008, 12:37:19 AM »
   I say this because I have heard that others have replicated it, and succesfully to some extent.

I heard the same and that’s why I dove in and if anyone could replicate it, I would (so I thought). But the fact is that besides seeing some phenomena, I could not get it to output more power than I was inputting.
I also heard that no one with an engineering background has ever duplicated them. I had to try for myself and I did.
I contacted Robert Adams and asked him to help me duplicate his Golden Ratio Adams motor/generator back in 2001. At first, he was eager and I built a unit that he really liked, but when I failed to see any excess energy and asked hard questions, he sent me an email telling me that he no longer can help because he has investors that are coming down on him hard.

Then I built a Bedini motor with the same results. Then I tried the solid state version with the same results. So, I don’t know. Maybe engineers can’t make these things work!

Then I got thinking. What if all of this is a scam of some sort? What if this is a marketing ploy to sell more book and DVD’s and become famous? Why would anyone built a motor if they claim a solid state can be made? Why put on a show with a big motor and 20 lamps?
Why do they claim they have been threatened and that’s why they don’t come out full force and start selling machines or kits but just feed bits and pieces of info here and there just to entice? Even more importantly, why are they still alive if they have what they say they have?
Are the power/oil companies this incompetent and can’t hire the right hit-man?
Why use a battery? Tesla didn’t use batteries or magnets in his radiant electricity.
What if I am just seeing unsuccessful inventors that just don’t give up? Their ego won’t leave them alone. Even if I could get a machine that charged batteries for free. Do you know how many batteries one would need to run a typical household? Over 100!
Maybe that’s why they are still alive!
It would be as impractical as today’s solar cells. Maybe good for lighting and running appliances under 1000 watts total.

These inventors all express great concern about the course we are taking as a race and badmouth greedy oil companies, but are unwilling to come clean and either put up or shut up without playing hide and seek mind games?
Are they hopping to get patents and sit on them until someone else comes out with a product they can sue for infringement?
It didn’t work for Robert Adams or Bill Muller and it will not work for any one else either.
If Adams and Muller had what they claimed, they were really horrible greedy men by taking that knowledge to their grave instead of sharing it with the rest of us. I for one, don’t think they had anything substantial. It just doesn’t add up.

I have read and understood ALL Tesla patents related to this subject. I too am intrigued by this genius and what he reported, but some of it is totally impractical. Like installing a large metal collector plate 30+ feet off the ground! I wouldn’t want to be even close to this setup when the thunder storm comes my way.
Just quoting Tesla in presenting one’s ideas doesn’t make it functional or practical either.
 
Its one thing to pulse charge dead batteries and sell battery rejuvenators but a very different story to claim excess energy. Pulse charging rejuvenators have been known for over 30 years. In fact, there was a design article in the Popular Electronics magazine in the 80’s on how to build one. I should’ve kept the article. It did exactly that. Brought dead lead acid and NiCads back to life by pulse charging them.

You see, when you start looking and asking hard questions, it all falls apart.
I have earned the right to complain. These people caused me to waste my time and money with their claims. If I was a litigation attorney instead of an engineer, I would’ve sued the pants off each and everyone of them for false representation.

Good luck to you all.
Time to eat…


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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2008, 12:59:27 AM »
@zpfe,
can you show a few youtube videos of your devices and show how you measured them ?
Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Did you test also the circuit of John Peters ?

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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2008, 02:50:43 PM »
Hi Stephan,

I don’t have a video camera but I have some pictures somewhere in one of my 5 computers. As far as youtube goes, it has no scientific value for me. It only shows that the motor is spinning or the meter is reading such and such.
As stated in my first post on this topic, I built an almost exact replica of john peter’s circuit about 3-4 years ago using a microwave oven high voltage transformer. I am not sure what he is using. May be a power supply line transformer of some sort connected backwards.

Since then, the unit has been cannibalized for parts for various other projects.
During the past few days, I’ve received over half a dozen private emails from various forums stating the same results I got. Some of these people have built more variations and have been at it for over 10 years! I don’t know what it would take for them to see that this road is a dead end? I’ve asked them to post their findings but I will respect their right to privacy and leave it to their conscious.

Initially, I used no test equipment except a high quality storage scope and no-inductance shunt resistors. Anything else is meaningless, since we are dealing with fast pulses.

Even then, there could be pulses that gets missed. So I decided to use 10 “C” size NiCad 5000mA in series to form a 12v supply. I charged and discharged this bank 3 times from 12.7 to 12.0 volts using a 100 watts 100 ohm power potentiometer and averaged out the discharge time. This gave me how much energy was in the batteries. The discharge rate through the potentiometer, matched the discharge rate of the experiment closely.
So, if it took 10 hours to discharge through my pulse circuit, I adjusted the value of the potentiometer to discharge in that time frame and ran the charge/discharge 3 times after these adjustments to get an average.
I used the same procedure (dumping to a load) to measure the power in the LA charging battery.
If I remember correctly, the output over input (efficiency or COP or whatever one wants to call it) was somewhere around 85%. Lots of time was devoted to testing.

I think I’ve wasted enough of my time on this subject. I have proven to myself that there is no excess energy in a recoil pulse (with or without magnets present). I haven’t tried the spark energy such as the one used in E.V. Gray and Tesla setup. Maybe something there. I don’t know.
The reason for my post was not to discourage others from pursuing this field. Experimentation is THE ONLY way to learn about this fascinating phenomena. Just don’t expect miracles if you are looking for excess energy using coils and pulsing schemes.

I am comfortable my assessments were correct and if anyone doesn’t believe me, they can try it for themselves. If it works for them, good for them and I hope they will share it with others transparently.
You have a good setup going with this forum and my hats off to you. As long as you allow both sides to be heard, you have a winner. Just don’t let wishful thinking get the better of your judgement.
I have another project going that has nothing to do with free energy and I like to devote my time to that instead of posting.
So long…


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Re: Solid state Bedini charger from John Peters
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2008, 03:39:07 PM »
@zpfe,
can you show a few youtube videos of your devices and show how you measured them ?

Regards, Stefan.
YouTube videos usually show little, and what is shown is shown badly.
What is helpful would be a clear documented circuit diagram.
Paul.

 

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