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Liberty

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2007, 05:08:44 PM »
I think that there is a toroid mounted where the meter leads are attached.  Take a look using different views and see what you think.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2007, 06:08:03 PM »
I think that there is a toroid mounted where the meter leads are attached.  Take a look using different views and see what you think.

Its not a toroid, its a speaker-wire connector as found in large speakers....
ans on the other side inside the core we can see a tv flyback transformer (for who didn't notice it yet...)
The coils are wound bifilar as said by Grumpy bifilar (terminated at one side, and two wites leading up to the other side of the coil). There are better pictures to see that....

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Robert

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2007, 07:36:21 PM »
Look on first page of this thread.

I started including labled images of this toroid.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2007, 09:00:24 PM by EMdevices »

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2007, 08:13:36 PM »
Look on first page of this thread.

I started including labled images of this toroid.


EM hi,

here are a few observations from studying lots of pictures....

tpu2 4b  = tv flyback transformer
tpu2 6b  = 9volts battery

regards

Robert

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2007, 08:21:58 PM »
Robert,  you can't be serious about the TV flyback transformer.  It's too big.

The TPU2_6A and 6B could very well be batteries.

EM

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2007, 08:30:28 PM »
Let's talk about plate TPU2_1A  and TPU2_1B

The interesting pattern with the 4 knobs and the holes makes me think,  THEY WERE NOT CUT FOR THE FUNCTION BUT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.

1)  Through one of the holes we see the gray box TPU2_4A, doesn't serve a purpose.
2)  The top plate has no coils, so it could be for support purposes
3)  The top plate could conduct flux if its magnetic, is it?


If we can identify an object from which these forms came, we might know the composition.  Keep your eyes open.   A spool of sorts?  Speaker cover support frame?

So far we have:

1)  Plastic
2)  Copper
3)  Iron laminations

I'm more interested in if its magnetic or not.

EM

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2007, 08:41:13 PM »
EMDevices,

On your 'copious free time' you may wish to consider some light reading on Fractal loop theory - especially folded and twisted loops. Not usable at this stage but....

As far as the two rings.. My theory:

Both Fe shaping the fields of the PMs.
Both being separate parts of a different style of primary.
You place a coil wrapping between the middle of a core to the outside - would that then 'twist' the field of the PMs? I don't know but I will find out this weekend.

Would this then be a form of waveguide between the plates?

<wavewatcher account no longer functions - I will continue anyway>

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2007, 08:50:27 PM »
Welcome BEP,

Ok, so we now mention a waveguide.  I'm with you.  If they are metalic (but not necessarily feromagnetic)  we do have a circular wave guide. 

So we jam more and more power into the ring untill the fields build up to high levels.

I'm an open minded guy :)

EM

P.S. Here's another photo I processed.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2007, 09:08:14 PM »
Hi EM,
nice image processing !
I had seen somewhere also some pictures of this video in
interlace full 720x576 format,I guess it was on the gn0sis.com
ftp site, so I hope you used these to make them clearer
as they were more high res as the video only had 320x240 size.

Now what about the white coating on the outer surface of
TPU2-3A ?

Is this the white cable from the output going there around the magnet ?
So is there this white wire taped around the outer surfaceof this black shell ?
Maybe with black tape, so you can?t see the white cable anymore ?

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Here is the link to EMdevices pictures:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2579.msg36395.html#msg36395

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2007, 09:14:37 PM »
Stefan, Very good question. 

I think the white might be the color of the TPU2_6A  (the leg)    But it could very well be GLARE, or wires and black tape covering the center. 

We'll get to the wires eventualy.  We can do alot with the images.  (I processed the high quality images)

EM

P.S.  Take a look at the image, lots of interesting info. 

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2007, 09:29:57 PM »
Okay, in OpenTPU_sum001.JPG
I can see 10 windings of the bigger coil wire in this red tape
covered coil.
I ask myself, why some claim that this is a bifilar winding ?
I don?t see 2 wires, just one with 10 windings.

Question is, if beneath this 10 turn coil is there another coil ?
So is this a transformer?
Also is there any white wire inside this coil at 90 degrees going around this
circle shell as the output coil wire ?

Maybe if TPU2_3A is not just a white glare but the white wire from these
loose white output cables, then we know, that this is also the white wire
for the collector coils being taped with black tape onto the outside surface of the shell...

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2007, 09:36:44 PM »
I'm glad you ask.  :)

Look at the offset. 

This would imply to me that it is wider, so it could be the white wire wraped around it, or something else. 

I'm leaning in the direction of 2 vertical coils where the magnets are placed.

EM

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2007, 09:37:44 PM »
@EM, the item you labeled "C" looks like a stack of ceramic magnets, the kind you can get from radio shack.

The gray item to the right is curious, looks kind of like a DC motor, maybe a starter?

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2007, 09:51:48 PM »
well if you browse with windows picture viewer it looks like there is a white wire wrapped around the magnet but i always was thinking it was reflection of the lamps.

Marco

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2007, 10:12:20 PM »
hey marco, at the back side, u can see that winding .. nice catch.

@ EM:
the fact that he is handling the frame with barehands says that there is no electricity/current flowing through those black frames. (everything seems insulated to the touch)

the "stand/leg (6A and 6B)" material looks like compacted CORK or light wood.

EM .. that protrusion (offset) is an illusion if u r talking about horizontal offset in reference to the black frame. .. it is an OUTward protusion illusion , meaning the "wood/CORK" block is only half or less the width of the width of the flat frames. (i am on a computer that doesnt have photoshop, otherwise i would just label it for u). (looking at it the way it is, the "offset" is simply part of the round frame .. it is not to the side, but looks higher than the "leg" , bc the leg is placed towards the inside, it is not flush with the outside dimensions)

on 6B u can see a black "WEDGE" attached to the "leg" .. that may have some purpose since it is underneath "green" (4B) winding component

the WHITE object from where the 2 outpost wires come (4A) seems to be some sort of consolidator or combiner of the charges. i dont know , heck (it could simply be a battery for all i know, it fits the size)

EM .. since u have this much info .. u may want to start a Modeling project in solidworks, or 3ds max ..

I wish i had time .. it seems we are trying to do the same things (to understand the location, and orientation of things in the black frame tpu, in order to have a solid framework (pun intended) from which start an experiment on.)

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