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Author Topic: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit  (Read 96954 times)

WaveWatcher

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2007, 06:28:02 AM »
I'll check back when I can. Visitor asking for me.. MIB? wouldn't that be a crack! and expected from a nut as well!

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2007, 07:08:55 AM »
its some image from the real device from mark? the quality are good!

Yes its seam to use 4 coils but i dont think they are vertical coil its look more like metal core?

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2007, 07:17:29 AM »
Hello all,

red wires = 4 coils with speaker wires
frame = copper plates

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2007, 07:41:34 AM »
Images came from different forum postings and I cleaned them up a bit.

Interesting take on the plates Otto.

My take is as follows:   IRON Laminations   

Makes sense, since he is placing a magnet.
Makes sense, since you want to wind coils on an iron core.
Makes sense since it heats up, and in the video, SM touches the device lightly a few times (to check for heat) before he lifts it up off the table.  Plastic would melt. Copper would not heat up, but iron will, due to hysterisis.   

But, it doesn't have to be that way.  This is just common sense, but we might need to think in uncommon ways.  First things first.

My vision is to develop, or evolve a circuit from these images and the concept of regeneration.

I will start with a circuit that has the 4 coils shown and we will debate each wire connection that we will add to the circuit.  Pros and Cons.   A circuit then can be simulated and we can get instant feedback if we are heading in the right direction.

Eventualy we should have something,

EM

P.S.  I would cation against "reading" too much from the images.  We don't know what is hiding in every object.  We can only make reasonable guesses.  We can look at what's obvious, like it's circular, 4 visible coils, magnets, double stack (for magnetic flux path?  for support?)  etc.. 

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2007, 07:51:50 AM »
Hi EM,
many thanks for these very clear pictures.
Now the question is, do we see just red tape beneath the
bigger wires or is it a fine wire copper coil, so is this some
type of transformer ?

We just have too few informations.

SM should come forward and finally tell us
more about his circuit. Otherwise we should stick
to Otto and Roberto?s discoveries and should try these
first as they are much better documented.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2007, 08:15:49 AM »
Hello all,

EM,

Im using a big, 1cm thick copper plate as my heater. It gets sooo hot you cant touch it. What if SM has on this round frame mounted his MOSFET?? This plate(s) as we see them are very hot. The purpose of this plates is to release particles when they are hot. As you see the plate is not only round. This plate has "fingers". Guess why??? To easier release the particles INTO our tornado.

Otto

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2007, 10:05:19 AM »
amazingly clear screenshots .. better than the ones i posted a couple days ago ..

please let us know where we can get the full vid (black frame TPU vid)

devilzangel
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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2007, 01:30:55 PM »
more i look the images more i see not 4 but 8 coils, 4 with red wires + 4 others in the inner core, something similar to this the Alberto Molina Martinez patent,i begin to suspect this patent seam to be quite similar to the SM device, it use 2 set of coils similar from what we see from this photos

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2007, 03:25:43 PM »
connections are shown in first picture:

appears bifilar - cancelling - as in parallel since end is terminated

In this version, where are collector wires?  Notice black wire connection next to the bifilar red ones.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2007, 03:31:04 PM »
Rewatch the SM movies. He says over and over the unit does not get that hot.
 

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2007, 03:35:51 PM »
thank you c0mster,  I know you're initial take was to use plastic.  :)

Otto, that's very interesting, I guess non feromagnetic materials can get hot, with supper high frequency and lots of current.

TheOne,  I agree with you.  This particular arrangement of the TPU makes a very good case for the Molina Martinez patent.

Oh, by the way,  Otto, it sounds like you're proposing a ionic tornado, are you?  Ions are realeased by heat, in vacum tubes, florescent lights, etc. but not in open air devices at STP (Standard Temperature and Pressure)  Think about this, what will happen to the "vortes in the center" if there are wires?   I would think if it operated along those principles, that the center would be free of random white wires and boxes that can slow down the so called "tornado".  I know there are exotic theories, but we also have to remember, SM said it used "induction".

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2007, 03:42:04 PM »
this is 4 others coil what I put in yellow?

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2007, 03:51:07 PM »
To go out on a limb here, I have been studying Hanz Coler?s Stromzeuger, now there is not to much information on this device. I took all the information I could find and wrote it down as a hint sheet. There seems to be similarities to SM , ?rows of copper plates? and ?flat spools?. ?DC current with a AC frequency?. 2 batteries to get the unit started. ?Separation of charge?, ?magnets used in process.? No real circuit or pulse driver just a main coil to ?excite the unit?. ?Current Receiver to thin parallel isolated wires in spool?. ?Single winding halves?.  Just thought I would throw this out as a brain storming exercise. There may be a connection and there may not be but all avenues are worth exploring.

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2007, 03:57:46 PM »
thank you c0mster,  all avenues are open.

so so far we've discussed a bit about the most obvious object in the video.  THE PLATES.

I will try to put together a list of the items I identify in the photos, and we can label them and give them a part number.   Then we can just refer to the part number instead of inserting picture after picture.

Once we have our part numbers, and the visual placement from the images, then these can serve us to refute or support theories.   Sort of like curve fitting a theory to the "data points".

We will explore and debate each item and theory and how it "curve fits" the evidence.

We should also keep in mind the other configurations of the TPU, but I don't have any good pictures of those.

EM

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Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2007, 04:59:35 PM »
  I know there are exotic theories, but we also have to remember, SM said it used "induction".

Hmmm, cant really remmeber that.... have you got a phrase that confirms that?

I agree with the stuff in the center....ther cant be much going on in the center else he wouldn't tell us to put all control electronics there.....

regards

Robert