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### Author Topic: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit  (Read 93123 times)

#### CTG Labs

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2007, 06:04:14 PM »
Hi EM and all,

Just a thought...  If indeed this is correct, the 3.6 watts output could feed the input of a second unit, and that could output perhaps 6 watts, then that feeds a 3rd which outputs 12 watts, then the output of that goes to the input of the 1st one...

Dare I say, runaway!  And if they are arranged in a circle, then RMF effect as each coil set pulses!  The nature of this will build in speed by itself too, winding up!

D.

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2007, 06:08:04 PM »
Thanks guys,

c0mster,  I already posted my diagram when marco asked, can't remember what thread.

Here's the difficulty.

The higher the voltage the more the power.   P = V^2 / R

So if we don't load the output we won't get the energy.  It's as simple as that.

Imagine that you need to move 1 Columb of charge in one second.  If you move it across a 1 ohm resistor you have 1 Amp x 1 Ohm = 1 V  =>  1 watt.

But if you move it across 100 ohms,  then you have 1 Amp x 100 ohm = 100 V => 100 watts.

I need to find a way to capture as much of this as possible.  But how?   Another Inductor?  And then let that one discharge into a capacitor?

It's wierd, it might be something that only manifests itself across resistive loads.  I hope not.

EM

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2007, 06:12:19 PM »
wow Dave, you're brilliant !!!

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Just a thought...  If indeed this is correct, the 3.6 watts output could feed the input of a second unit, and that could output perhaps 6 watts, then that feeds a 3rd which outputs 12 watts, then the output of that goes to the input of the 1st one...

Dare I say, runaway!  And if they are arranged in a circle, then RMF effect as each coil set pulses!  The nature of this will build in speed by itself too, winding up!

This is what the TPU could be,  a series of stages in a LOOP.

EM

#### z_p_e

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2007, 06:11:17 PM »
EM,

What is the coil resistance the transistor is driving? A scope shot of the transistor base would tell a lot.

How did you measure the current being supplied?

5mA supply seems very low.

Darren

#### turbo

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #79 on: June 24, 2007, 06:13:55 PM »
well i still need to build the oscillator but i did save the circuit if this is which you mean...

Marco

#### CTG Labs

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #80 on: June 24, 2007, 06:17:13 PM »
Hi EM,

Could I suggest, instead of getting a 4 watt resistor, instead use a 2 watt resistor.  If need you do have 3.6 watts output, and you can only dissipate 2 watts it should burn out if you have more power, on the other hand, if it doesn't burn out or get hot, then you can know the power is not that high.

D.

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #81 on: June 24, 2007, 06:19:15 PM »
Guys, I have no doubts this thing outputs about 3 watts.

That lightbulb gets hot and I can't hold it, also my carpet starts to smell after a while, it's being burned.

EM

#### turbo

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #82 on: June 24, 2007, 06:21:23 PM »
okay, i will replicate this imediatly.

Marco.

#### CTG Labs

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #83 on: June 24, 2007, 06:22:39 PM »
Hi EM,

I assume you have added a resistor to that circuit (after the main coil) because if you connect that to a higher current supply (with only 45 turns), other than a little solar panel, its almost a short!  When I build one before I got 30-50v spikes, but I wasn't looking for extra energy at the time!

D.

#### dutchy1966

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #84 on: June 24, 2007, 06:21:52 PM »
Testing for OU by burning your carpet???  Different.....

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #85 on: June 24, 2007, 06:25:44 PM »
Darren,

It's 50 mA, not 5 mA.

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How did you measure the current being supplied?

5mA supply seems very low.

I measured the voltage with a voltage meter WHEN OPERATING.

I measued the amps with the same meter BEFORE it gets to the smoothing capacitor, so inbetween the transformer (which has its own smooting cap inside) and my smoothing cap. Ã‚Â  With a scope, the voltage is a SOLID LINE, no fluctuations, so it's very accurate !!!

Why do you want to know the base voltage waveform? Ã‚Â I was showing that in one of my videos. Ã‚Â Have a look, it's somewhat sinusoidal, but its a composite of the different picewise segments representing the stages of operation: rampup, discharge, etc..

EM
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#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #86 on: June 24, 2007, 06:44:21 PM »
Ok Guys,

Here's my blocking oscillator.   A one transistor elegant circuit !!!

So, instead of the battery I placed a 40 watt lightbulb !!!

EM

#### CTG Labs

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #87 on: June 24, 2007, 06:48:21 PM »
Thanks for the diagram EM.

Can you say, what thickness of wire and what is the PNP transistor?

Thanks,

Dave.

#### EMdevices

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #88 on: June 24, 2007, 06:50:32 PM »
I can not say because I don't know.Ã‚Â  Marco asked the same thing.Ã‚Â

The writing on it is dim or erased or I'm blind.Ã‚Â   However, you don't need a PNP.Ã‚Â

The diagram marco posted (the yellow color one)Ã‚Â  is the original that inspired me, and they use an NPN.Ã‚Â

Someone on this forum had posted that link when I originally discovered for myself the oscillator.Ã‚Â  Thanks to whoever that was.

EM

#### CTG Labs

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##### Re: Regeneration and the Toroidal Power Unit
« Reply #89 on: June 24, 2007, 06:57:14 PM »
Hi EM,

I guess the transistor is not so important, however if it does turn out to be important, perhaps you have access to a component analyser at work?

Whats your next stage?

D.