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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: syncron on June 21, 2007, 02:53:51 PM
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Hello, I'm new here,
I just downloaded the Alberto Molina Martinez patent, I searched in this forum and it seems to be that Alberto is Steven Mark.
Is that true?
Can somebody tell me if there are succesfull replications of those Alberto Molina Martinez patent?
I'm engineering student, my speciality: electric machines, but sorry I don't undertand and don't find the meaning of "TPU". :-[Can someone tell me please?
@admin: please move this topic to the correct place if it is not here. I didn't find a special Alberto Molina place. Please notify me...
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Hi Syncron, welcome to the madness :D
We've been going round and round with these patents. Lots of people brought this up before. It's an interesting patent, but I don't think it's Steve Marks. (Molina patent needs a solid core for the rotor, see picture, and Stevens TPUs have nothing in the center, except some electronics)
However, the concept of rotating fields seems to be simular, and in the end might be drawing energy from the same phenomena.
EM
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Hi Syncron.
If I understand your question correctly, 'TPU' means 'Toroidal(donut-shaped) Power Unit'. As far as I know, it's a label that would apply to any design that fits that shape, but which is most commonly associated with the Steven Marks device.
Les.
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Thanks Em and Les.
Anybody knows if anybody made a succesful replication of Alberto Molina idea?
This is very easy to reconstruct.
Greetings
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if its so easy why you don't build it?
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Syncron,
Why don't you build one of these for you Electric Machines class. Maybe for a final project.
I would love to see the look on your professors face, or yours when the grades post. LOL  :D
On a more serious note, I searched the patent for clues, trying to see if he built a prototype. A lot of times, people run to the patent office with just an idea. So I noticed in the patent that he actualy says the machine "produced" more energy then the input. He used past tense in one place, and that was the only clue I found.
EM
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@TheOne
That's it: I'll build it, I just wanted to know if anybody did it yet--> in that case I wouldn?t build it, if he/she was succesful. There many other things to replicate
@EMdevices
Once I tried to get help of the my Electric Machines teacher for an free energy concept and I saw that this is "madness". University teachers are very, very difficult to convince.
About Alberto Molina MArtinez: the terminology used in his patent shows he is trained in electrical machines, I think. For everybody who read this post and knows about syncronous machines: what do you think?: Is there a charge angle to be considered or would both source and charge rotating magnetic fields stay always togheter.
I wonder, syncronous machines are rotating transformers, why, since 3 phase current was invented, such a Alberto Molina Martinez cilindrical transformer were never built.
I'll try to build this.
Greetings
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@EM
Thanks for tell me about the results of your research
syncron
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@EM
About your clue: Can you tell me: is there in the USA necesary to show a working prototype to the patent office in order to obtain the patent or not?
Can one patent just an idea without having built a prototype or at least verified his idea?
syncron
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I would like to build one but my electronic skill is not really powerfull! But if you build one and one that work, make a TPU for dummy and i will able to reproduce it! :P
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I'm not sure if you need a prototype or not for a patent in the US, I think the answer is no, unless they request it.
My patent (along with 2 others) was not required to show a prototype, but we wrote it based on the research we did, so yes we did have a "prototype"
I know about the skeptical teachers, I had a hard time convincing mine :)
I would say the Molina motor is definitely Synchronous!! There is no slip since the rotor is not rotating.
Try and build it, I'll be curious to see what you come up with. You might be the envy if you get it to work. :)
EM
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I vote build it ! doors only open when you push them .... PLease post the patient in PDF form here so we can all read it and see what we come up with for sugestions. OK now satrt your parts list and format journal to work from. thanks Mike
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I built the torrodial generator with the Martinez supposedly being next....but I got side tracked with the rotoverter as it is a proven performer.
The torrodial generator is not o/u. Just beware that MOST o/u patents will not work as described. Bedini built the Kromrey Convertor from patent information and it did not work. He found the problem but will not disclose what he had to change to make it perform. Most of this building is a major waste of resources, if only the intentors would disclose the ACTUAL concept that makes them perform.
At this particular point in my life, I feel humanity is nothing more than slaves to the greedy.
Rich
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@oouthere
I agree with you. But that is the way inventors protect himself: once he give the full working idea in a patent every company can copy it, modify it a little patent it as your own and start production. The poor inventor will not have energy and money to faith against them and demonstrate that this is his invention.
Since this is very easy to built for me I'll do it and try. Someone has to do it. If we only replicate proven OU devices, nobody will prove other OU effects.
Why I say it's easy: If, as the patent states, the effect is due to the rotating magnetic field, it is not necesary create this rotating magnetic field with 3 phases current. Rotating Magnetic fields can be made with x phases, where x goes from 2 to infinity. With 2 phases we need 90 Degrees between them and four poles four good perfomance. That can I do with a little magnetic core and my function generator. The rest are a few diodes, loads and measure equipment. I hope I'll have it done the first week in July, after my last exams at University this year.
If the OU effect is not in the rotating magnetic field but in the inverter or in the 3 phases my experiment will not give positive results. I'll post them here.
@Motorcoach1
You can down load a colored version from Patrick Kelly at this link:
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/PatD14.pdf (http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/PatD14.pdf)
or go to the USPTO and download it there.
I'll upload it as soon I as I have installed a pdf printer.
The admin, hartiberlin, has put this patent in the files order for Steven Mark inventions.
@Emdevices
yes, it has to be syncronous, but I'm speeking about the syncronous charge angle 'delta' which exists between source and load rotating magnetic field in syncronous machines. The delta angle not means slip: both magnetic fileds rotate at the same speed (not as in asyncronous machines where the load field goes slower) but in relationship with the load and exciting values there is a angle: the load magnetic field goes behind or before the source field but at both go at the same speed.
You made me curious: About what is your patent?
Greetings
syncron
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I have found these articles describing three phase oscillators....
http://www.edn.com/article/CA149120.html
http://www.edn.com/article/CA6298270.html
Regards,
pegasus
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Thanks pegasus :)
By the way: do you know some way to amplify to the range of 100 V p t p the output signal of some electronic oscilator?
Regards
Syncron
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Sorry,at this moment,I have no decent idea.....I'm searching the same thing to pilot my future solid state alternator.
If you have some solution please post it.Thank you.
regards,
Pegasus
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Thanks pegasus :)
By the way: do you know some way to amplify to the range of 100 V p t p the output signal of some electronic oscilator?
Regards
Syncron
Hi Syncron,
Use a transformer. A 220V-->12V in reverse amplifies the signal 18.33 times.
Make sure it doesn't saturate at the frequencies you want amplified.
/TheDane
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Very clever Thedane! ;D
That can be very cheap and useful.
Thanks
syncron
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A friend has sent me the schematic you can see in the pic.An economic way to produce a rotary three-phase system, without a complicate circuit...The pic shows a simple mulitivibrator circuit working with 3 Channel N mosfets.Connecting three light bulbs, or three led, or three coils, on the drain, it is capable to make them to rotate in perfect sequence. The rotation speed depends on the applied voltage , from the type of load, and the inner capacity of the gates. It will be good to perform some simple experiment....
Anyone here has a better idea?
Regards,
pegasus
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Thanks Pegasus! This is very useful.
I'll make use of this since my function generator has not a great power output.
Im specialist in electrical machines, but not in electronics.
But from my speciality I can explain that rotating magnetic fields can be made with n phases, with n from at least 2 until infinity.
Lets see how to make a rotating field with only 2 phases. Actually thats not posible but there is a way to do it: you can make a rotating field with 3 phases spaced 360/3=120 Degrees, or with 4 phases spaced 360/4=90 Degrees, and so on.
Look at the case with 4 phases: put the first at 0 Degrees, the 2nd at 90 Dg, the 3rd at 180 Dg and the 4th at 270 Dg. And now notice that 0 and 180 are inverse! And 90 and 270 also! That mean, you can reduce the number of phases from 4 to 2 conecting the opposite coils in oposite way but to the same phase.
Resulting: with to phases spaced 90 Degrees (and for good perfomance, at least 4 coils) you can create a rotating magnetic field. Look at the picture.
This can be useful if you have a function generator with to outputs you can space 90 decgrees or another electronic circuit which produces two fases 90 Dg spaced. I've such an function generator and will make use of this.
Anyone knows how to make to phases spaced 90 degrees with electronics?
Regards
syncron
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See this:
http://www.interq.or.jp/japan/se-inoue/e_ckt20.htm
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Thanks pegasus!
That's what I looking for.
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Hello to all!
I just finished my esperimets with an air-core version of Alberto Molina Idea: If I have not made mistakes in the measurements there is not free energy. example 90mW input gave 70 mW output at 1 Mhz. Below this frequency output power decreases significantely --> lower perfomance at low frequency (with air core).
So if there is excess energy such as stated in the patent, it will be with an low loses iron core. So next step: repeat the experiment with frequencies under 100 Hz and an iron core.
Greetings
syncron
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Can you post some pictures?
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Hi pegasus,
Here you are the pictures.
As I promised I put here also the patent in pdf format.
In foto 1 you can see the embodiment and behind them my digital osciloscope. In foto 2 you can also see my wave generator.
In "schema.pdf" you see the conection wiring. I made coils of only 8 turns, input and output wire went together as in paint 2. But they should go separately as painted in 3. So I've to repeat the experiment. After that I'll try with changing relative position between input and output coils as shown for example in 4.
If all this not work I'll start with an iron core.
Greetings
syncron
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Try to arrange the coils in a toroid shape, to not disperse the magnetic field.
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@pegasus:
The mgnetic flux in the interior of the coil setup (1 mm square and as high as the whole body) will not disperse, and the dispersion out of them is the natural way magnetic field becomes closed.
I thought I'll also try to use this exterior flux with aditional coils.
Can you make a paint of a posible toroidal shape of this setup, please?
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Essentially you have to build a S.Mark TPU using the Molina-Martinez principle.....
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Nice color pictures of the patent at this website, but I cannot translate the language. I especially wonder what the last paragraphs on the page say.
http://www.gewo.info/ve/Molina/molina.htm
Kent
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EDIT: Web site of Alberto Molina-Martinez: http://www.givetheplanetachance.com/
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Why would you need this new concept if his continous electric generator patent works? It would seem his original patent would save the world IF it works.
Rich
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@ grumpy: thanks for this link!!
@ oouthere: the "antimatter" generator seems to work on the same principle as the continous electric generator
@ mkt3920: I've seen this site also but that seems only to be an explanation of the patent. See also http://www.gewo.info/ve and check the language looking at www.gewo.info
I was looking at alberto molina martinez page (given by grumpy) and the first think I noticed that he could be Dennis Lee's brother. Look at the photos below.
I'll try to contact with Molina Martinez.
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I think we must then be looking at two different patents. I'm talking about the three phase continuous run generator vs the antimatter electrical generator. The three phase is basically a transformer that is supposed to give a ratio of 1:99 (input vs output power) being driven by either commercial three phase power or a three phase frequency drive unit.
As far as I can tell the other contraption is a basically a chamber with bouncing photons.
Rich
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@Outthere,
The continuous electrical generator fails when a load is connected, so Alberto invented another device.
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@grumpy,
The continuous electrical generator fails when a load is connected, so Alberto invented another device.
where have you found this information and why do you not told me this 2 month before when I began to experiment with that and started this topic?
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"Btentzer" had the common sense to contact Alberto personally and talk to him about his inventions.
Always pays to go to the source...
Also, he alludes to this on his web page when he speaks of "real power", etc.
Just found out yesterday myself. Better late than never...
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Grumpy,
Thank you. This was a high priority on my "things to do list."
The more I understand, the less likely it appears we will manage an open sourced free energy device. I have seen technology up close that defies everything as I currently understand it, but this failure after failure makes one weary.
Rich
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;) each falure is one step closer to sucuess ;)
is
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"The continuous electrical generator fails when a load is connected"
So,If there is no load,the AC field remain living in the coils.....
S.M.had a wise idea to not make the field of the collector coils interact with the controller coils....