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Offline syncron

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Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« on: June 21, 2007, 02:53:51 PM »
Hello, I'm new here,

I just downloaded the Alberto Molina Martinez patent, I searched in this forum and it seems to be that Alberto is Steven Mark.
Is that true?

Can somebody tell me if there are succesfull replications of those Alberto Molina Martinez patent?

I'm engineering student, my speciality: electric machines, but sorry I don't undertand and don't find the meaning of "TPU".  :-[Can someone tell me please?

@admin: please move this topic to the correct place if it is not here. I didn't find a special Alberto Molina place. Please notify me...

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Alberto Molina Martinez patent
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Offline EMdevices

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 03:06:09 PM »
Hi Syncron, welcome to the madness   :D   

We've been going round and round with these patents.  Lots of people brought this up before.  It's an interesting patent, but I don't think it's Steve Marks.  (Molina patent needs a solid core for the rotor, see picture, and Stevens TPUs have nothing in the center, except some electronics)

However, the concept of rotating fields seems to be simular, and in the end might be drawing energy from the same phenomena.

EM


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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 04:08:29 PM »
Hi Syncron.

If I understand your question correctly, 'TPU' means 'Toroidal(donut-shaped) Power Unit'.  As far as I know, it's a label that would apply to any design that fits that shape, but which is most commonly associated with the Steven Marks device.

Les.

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2007, 04:08:29 PM »
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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2007, 05:11:53 PM »
Thanks Em and Les.

Anybody knows if anybody made a succesful replication of Alberto Molina idea?

This is very easy to reconstruct.

Greetings

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2007, 05:32:20 PM »
if its so easy why you don't build it?

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2007, 06:46:08 PM »
Syncron,

Why don't you build one of these for you Electric Machines  class.  Maybe for a final project.

I would love to see the look on your professors face, or yours when the grades post.  LOL   :D

On a more serious note,  I searched the patent for clues, trying to see if he built a prototype.  A lot of times, people run to the patent office with just an idea.  So I noticed in the patent that he actualy says the machine "produced" more energy then the input.  He used past tense in one place, and that was the only clue I found.


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I'll do it
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2007, 07:02:16 PM »
@TheOne
That's it: I'll build it, I just wanted to know if anybody did it yet--> in that case I wouldn?t build it, if he/she was succesful. There many other things to replicate

@EMdevices
Once I tried to get help of the my Electric Machines teacher for an free energy concept and I saw that this is "madness". University teachers are very, very difficult to convince.

About Alberto Molina MArtinez: the terminology used in his patent shows he is trained in electrical machines, I think. For everybody who read this post and knows about syncronous machines: what do you think?: Is there a charge angle to be considered or would both source and charge rotating magnetic fields stay always togheter.

I wonder, syncronous machines are rotating transformers, why, since 3 phase current was invented, such a Alberto Molina Martinez cilindrical transformer were never built.

I'll try to build this.

Greetings

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Offline syncron

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2007, 07:05:51 PM »
@EM

Thanks for tell me about the results of your research

syncron

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question about patent process
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2007, 07:11:16 PM »
@EM

About your clue: Can you tell me: is there in the USA necesary to show a working prototype to the patent office in order to obtain the patent or not?

Can one patent just an idea without having built a prototype or at least verified his idea?

syncron

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2007, 08:49:57 PM »
I would like to build one but my electronic skill is not really powerfull! But if you build one and one that work, make a TPU for dummy and i will able to reproduce it! :P

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2007, 09:27:01 PM »
I'm not sure if you need a prototype or not for a patent in the US, I think the answer is no, unless they request it.   

My patent (along with 2 others) was not required to show a prototype, but we wrote it based on the research we did, so yes we did have a "prototype"

I know about the skeptical teachers, I had a hard time convincing mine :)

I would say the Molina motor is definitely Synchronous!!   There is no slip since the rotor is not rotating.

Try and build it, I'll be curious to see what you come up with.  You might be the envy if you get it to work.  :)

EM

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2007, 01:29:46 AM »
I vote build it !  doors only open when you push them .... PLease post the patient in PDF form here so we can all read it and see what we come up with for sugestions. OK now satrt your parts list and format journal to work from. thanks Mike

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2007, 02:44:42 AM »
I built the torrodial generator with the Martinez supposedly being next....but I got side tracked with the rotoverter as it is a proven performer.

The torrodial generator is not o/u.  Just beware that MOST o/u patents will not work as described.  Bedini built the Kromrey Convertor from patent information and it did not work.  He found the problem but will not disclose what he had to change to make it perform.  Most of this building is a major waste of resources, if only the intentors would disclose the ACTUAL concept that makes them perform.

At this particular point in my life, I feel humanity is nothing more than slaves to the greedy.

Rich

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2007, 01:00:08 PM »
@oouthere
I agree with you. But that is the way inventors protect himself: once he give the full working idea in a patent every company can copy it, modify it a little patent it as your own and start production. The poor inventor will not have energy and money to faith against them and demonstrate that this is his invention.

Since this is very easy to built for me I'll do it and try. Someone has to do it. If we only replicate proven OU devices, nobody will prove other OU effects.

Why I say it's easy: If, as the patent states, the effect is due to the rotating magnetic field, it is not necesary create this rotating magnetic field with 3 phases current. Rotating Magnetic fields can be made with x phases, where x goes from 2 to infinity. With 2 phases we need 90 Degrees between them and four poles four good perfomance. That can I do with a little magnetic core and my function generator. The rest are a few diodes, loads and measure equipment. I hope I'll have it done the first week in July, after my last exams at University this year.

If the OU effect is not in the rotating magnetic field but in the inverter or in the 3 phases my experiment will not give positive results. I'll post them here.

@Motorcoach1
You can down load a colored version from Patrick Kelly at this link:
http://panacea-bocaf.org/files/patrickkelly/PatD14.pdf
or go to the USPTO and download it there.

I'll upload it as soon I as I have installed a pdf printer.
The admin, hartiberlin, has put this patent in the files order for Steven Mark inventions.

@Emdevices
yes, it has to be syncronous, but I'm speeking about the syncronous charge angle 'delta' which exists between source and load rotating magnetic field in syncronous machines. The delta angle not means slip: both magnetic fileds rotate at the same speed (not as in asyncronous machines where the load field goes slower) but in relationship with the load and exciting values there is a angle: the load magnetic field goes behind or before the source field but at both go at the same speed.
You made me curious: About what is your patent?
Greetings

syncron

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Re: Alberto Molina Martinez patent
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2007, 08:28:06 PM »
I have found these articles describing three phase oscillators....
http://www.edn.com/article/CA149120.html
http://www.edn.com/article/CA6298270.html

Regards,
pegasus

 

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