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Author Topic: WATER FUEL CELL: HIGH VOLTAGE: WHOLE PROCESS  (Read 6665 times)

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WATER FUEL CELL: HIGH VOLTAGE: WHOLE PROCESS
« on: June 21, 2007, 10:03:41 AM »
Pulsed disassociation of water?


My cell is going to be made of stainless steel sheets 1 and a half MM spaced apart. It will be 2 foot high 1 foot wide PVC tube to house the stainless steel tubes and some switches to vary witch electrodes will be used. used
1.   Pressure buildup of hydroxy gas
2.   Pressure sensor
3.   level sensor
4.   temperature sensor
5.   Water tank to top-up the water level in the cell
6.   water in fuel cell
7.   10x stainless steel tubes outer diameter 3cm, inner diameter 2,9cm, hight ten cm
8.   Frequency generator, generates 1Hz-20Khz
9.   24 Volt 24 amp battery
10.   PVC square box water proof + funnel top
11.   Pump connected to level sensor to replenish the water supply
12.   Positive to produce Oxygen bubbles
13.   negative to produce hydrogen bubbles
14.   5 foot hosepipe tubing
15.   connector to engine intake
16.   5 one-way valves
17.   water tank to replenish water level in the cell
18.   Temperature sensor linked to frequency generator to change the frequency when the water gets hotter or colder because the water molecules change frequency depending on the water temperature

   Water fuel cells work by putting a frequency from 1hz-50Khz (depending on the temperature) over 10-30 stainless steel plates. Water molecule will split it up into its primary components, hydrogen and oxygen. You can then burn the resulting gasses produced from the voltrolysis in your internal combustion engine. Basically it is much safer than keeping a bomb under the passenger seat witch is the case with hydrogen fueled cars (the hydrogen that is needed to fuel the car is produced by a more toxic method then the car will have made when it was run on gas anyway). Hydroxygen is the perfect mixture because there is one oxygen atom to every two hydrogen atoms, a very explosive gas. It is much safer to keep it in water then in concentration under your seat. You will need to have your exhaust system either stainless steel or coated in ceramic because the water coming out or your exhaust will rust the metal. You can not re-use the water vapor coming out of your exhaust by putting it back through the system the water needs to be evaporated and re energized by the sun. The stainless steel plates need to have the same resonant frequency as each other; you can tell this by tying the plates to a peace of string, then hitting the plates then listening whether they have the same sound. You will get three times more gas coming of the plates if you put an electrolyte such as lye or salt, but you will also get chlorine out were the oxygen comes out of it, so use distilled water 10 percent vinegar.


     
 
 


It will need to make 1 litre of hydroxygen per minute to run a 22cc engine? 

The voltage must always be under 2 but the amps must stay the same (this is not for the WFC but rather for the Low voltage section).


The laws of thermodynamics are not being broken.

Breaking water by applying high voltage pulses, charging the plates; this breaks the water up into hydrogen and oxygen over 100 0/0 efficiently. The hydrogen and oxygen go into the engine and explode pushing the pistons down turning the drive shaft and an alternator. The alternator then in turn will power the pulsed electrolysis reaction, then the steam/water vapours can be put back into the electrolysis segment and then be reused. This may look like it is ?free energy? and to some this immediately says that it will not work. But this is actually not free energy or perpetual motion. The reason is that the energy is coming from the hydrogen and oxygen. It is already there the hydrogen and oxygen just needs to be released. But the hydrogen and oxygen recombines into water when burned and can be put back into the system, but that sadly is not the case. You can not break up water that has been put through the electrolysis (and ionisation) process. This is because the hydrogen molecule needs to gain the electron that it lost in the ionisation process when the hydrogen atom was stripped of its electron. To be electrolysed the molecule need a positive and a negative to be separated, but when the hydrogen molecule looses its positive electron it will not be positively charged and thus the electrolysis process will not work. It needs to be evaporated and ?reenergised? (gain another electron and gain its status as a positively charged atom) by the sun (more needs to be learnt on that though). So it is not perpetual motion because the tank needs to be refilled with water every so often. The point is because you can not re use the water coming out of the exhaust it is not free energy (its not maintaining its self), the water is not constantly circulating through the system. The system is not circulating every thing and reusing it, but the water in the water fuel cell dose need to be toped off; this is where you are putting in energy (hydrogen and oxygen as an oxidiser, in the form of water). You are simply storing the hydrogen and oxygen in the form of water. The energy needed to break apart the water is not connected to how much energy the hydrogen and oxygen when burnt make. I am not basing the above on the currant laws of electrolysis but rather on the new ?pulsed? way of splitting the water molecule. It has been for a long time that electrolysis was inefficient, but times have moved on, and now that pulsed electrolysis has been discovered the hydrogen and oxygen can be separated easily and efficiently, but is not free energy?


Voltage intensifier circuit?

Things needed
1. Copper wire 900 turns
2. Ferrite iron EI core
3. Blocking diode

The step up transformer builds up the voltage and reduces the current/amps. Short bursts of voltage are what are used instead of short bursts of amperage. The primary coil is made of two-hundred turns of copper wire, the secondary steps up the voltage and is made of six-hundred turns of copper wire. This then goes through a blocking diode and a choke coil witch steppes up the voltage, multiplied on one another making a step charge pulse train mark/space. Then this goes into the water fuel cell. The electron flow is restricted and very little currant is consumed; only voltage is used.


My thought is that you can tune into resonance even with a primary coil that has two turns of wire, and a secondary with six turns of wire, then the inductor/choke/resonant coils with one turn of wire and a diode. But the problem with that, is the resonant frequency will be ridiculously high (somewhere in the terahertz range most probably). So the more wire you wind then the lower the frequency that is needed to tune into resonance. With the primary at two-hundred turns and the secondary at six-hundred turns, and the chokes with one-hundred turns this should throw the resonant frequency into the 0-10Khz range. It would be better if the chokes could be variable, because then you don?t need to unwind the whole coil and re do it if you get it wrong. Just a simple steel or iron (ferrite) core that is square is ideal.

The wire must be enamelled and the iron (were the copper will be wound around) must be covered by one layer of electrical tape so that the copper dose not touch the iron core but it can create a magnetic field.

The pulses must step-up, multiplying the voltage, breaking apart the water molecules.

The Voltage Intensifier Circuit looks like this?

 


Hydrogen explosion with fine mist of water?

The problem with hydroxygen is that it burns at a very high temperature. It will melt the pistons and destroy the car, a possible solution to that is to spray a mist of water in with the hydroxygen, the bonuses of that is you can lower the temperature of the burn and Because water when super heated has immense explosive force, at lower temperature, this can boost the combustion and may need less hydrogen to run the car and is still using water as a fuel?
I agree that this is not a molecular resonance but rather an electrical resonance. Maybe it dose not matter how many  turns of wire there are but rather whether you can tune into resonance, or maybe the more coils the better. The closer you tune into resonance (I think what Stanley means by resonance is the step-charge effect) the higher the voltage and the lower the currant. I?m just at first going to make a proof of concept experiment to find out.

Ill just experiment with different winding amounts and power source, and don?t forget about frequencies. I think that once the step-charge effect is achieved the efficiency of the ?pulsed? electrolysis will improve greatly as Crux has shown. Basically finding the frequency that step charges ?T, X4? and ?T, X5? are what I?m trying to achieve.

The chokes?

Well the frequency that is put into the Voltage Intensifier Circuit is a square wave. This is not stepped up, just a square wave 5o/o duty cycle pulse, the same on time as off. Like this?
?._    _   _............_    _   _
__I I_I I_I I_____I I_I I_I I___

The full stops are nothing, but the rest is what the frequency generator should be pumping into the VIC (voltage intensifier circuit). There is an off time and an on time but in between is lots of on and off times, the above diagram shows three but it can be up to 20. Each of those pulse segments is called an envelope so I will from now on refer to the segment as an envelope. In the envelope there is an on time and an off time, these times are exactly the same until the space, this is known as a 50 o/o (50 percent) duty cycle. This is the pulse that goes into the VIC (voltage intensifier circuit.

When the voltage is put up through the step up transformer the voltage is bumped up to (if 24 volts go in and there is a 1 to 3 ratio) 72 volts, the voltage pulses go into the negative choke, here is were the step-upping can begin, when the first ?square pulse? enters the inductor (choke) a magnetic field is induced, as the first square pulse (it is a square pulse not an envelope) leaves the inductor and comes on to the off time of the 50 0/0 duty cycle (choke) the magnetic field is lost and transformed into the second pulse, this pulse is two times higher because the voltage is multiplied. Then the second square pulse goes in and builds it up higher and then the third pulse pushing it up higher until a catastrophic dielectric failure occurs and all the voltage is dumped between the plates from - to + hence the step-charge effect. I think what Meyer meant by ?resonance? is the step charge effect; a certain frequency that let in the square pulse into the inductor just after the magnetic field is lost and stepped up. People have been led to believe that the resonance that Meyer talked about was the resonance of the water molecule (and I know, I used to be one), but now I know that it is not even resonance but rather a frequency that hits the stepped up voltage pulse at the right time. That may be why Stan said that the water level may change the resonance (the amount of water between the plates will change the capacitance and either heighten or lower the voltage needed), and the heat of the water may change resonance because hot water is more conductive, and the electrolyte may change resonance, more electrolyte more conductivity, because what he means is it will change capacitance, that capacitance will change the step-up frequency and voltage. I think Meyers used the word resonance to confuse people (maybe not). Resonance is usually the natural shaking of an object when ((pinged)), the resonance that Meyers talks about is not the natural resonance of water or the chokes but the certain frequency (depending on allot of factors) that will cause the step-charge effect. Hope this helps with the chokes!


I think that the reason there is such a low success rate with replicating the Voltage Intensifier Circuit is because of the water capacitor. Because the capacitor when in water has such a high resistance will not allow for a catastrophic dielectric failure of the water capacitor. There needs to be a very high voltage to overcome the resistance in the capacitor if there is not I very high voltage. If you step-charge the capacitor to say six-hundred volts and the voltage point that the dielectric failure will occur is one-thousand, five-hundred volts then it will not be able to overcome the resistance of the capacitor. If you just get the step-charge effect then that?s just half the story, you need the correct voltage and/or higher. That?s why you need to closely monitor the voltage as well as the frequency, temperature, water level, amps, plates, tank capacitance, capacitance of the plates, impurities in the water, pressure, vacuum, how many coils in the primary secondary and chokes, wave form from frequency generator and core size, not mention gas production. Capacitance of the cell must, if possible be as little as possible. This means that you must make the gape between the plates as small as possible, make the tubes as small as possible (with in reason). But just dumping voltage through the water is not all that is happening here. There is certain steps that happen in the water, the polarisation process and the ionisation process. Both these processes happen before the capacitor failure, the polarisation processes destabilises the water molecule and the ionisation process takes away an electron. This process gets the water molecule as unstable as possible taking away an electron wakening the bonds and causing a particle impact. All this makes it as easy as possible for the voltage when dumped between the plates to break the bonds. This is how the water fuel cell breaks the bonds more efficiently than conventional electrolysis.


Careful,

Well today I built a hydroxygen powered rocket. It had 800ML (not much) of hydroxygen in it and a seal at the bottom with a small opening (off a shampoo bottle). I made a launch ramp and aimed it off the balcony. I put it on the launch ramp and lit a match. This thing is so small but when I lit it I could feel the thrust when it took of. It landed in a tree. But to give you an idea of how powerful the launch was I set the rocket on a 1mm thick woven fibre sheet of plastic, when I lit it, the seal at the bottom shot out (it was so fast I did not notice it until I started looking for it) and went clean through the sheet and left a gaping wide hole. It flew 10 feet until it hit a tree. My goodness this stuff is powerful. Use your power wisely!

Thanks,


My first attempt at replicating the VIC (voltage intensifier circuit)?

 Here is what I am using and how I am using them.

EXPERIMENTAL SETUP #1...

Core: torrid, Grain Orientated Silicon Steel.


Outer diameter: 60.mm.

Inner diameter: 40.mm.


Wire: copper.


Primary: 200 turns, 0.5 mm copper wire.

Secondary: 500 turns, 0.3 mm copper wire.

First choke: 150 turns, 0.5 mm copper wire.

Second choke: 150 turns, 0.5 mm copper wire.

Insulator: electrical tape, one layer thick.

Diode: diode NTE 5817.

Frequency generator: David Lawton?s circuit, 1hz-100khz, square pulse 50 percent duty cycle, space train, All adjustable.

Frequency: 1-100 HZ frequency sweep.

Water capacitor: 1mm space between + and -, each tube has exactly the same surface area (to do that you must cut some slices out of the SS until they have exactly the same natural frequency), both there length is 15 cm, outer diameter is 3CM, inner diameter is 2.7 CM, thickness both of 1mm.

Amount of water: 1 litre.

Thanks,   
 
Electrical polarisation and ionisation process?

During the step charge a few pulses up, the ionisation process takes effect. What happens is that the oxygen atom has four electrons stripped of it. These electrons go into the VIC circuit. This is the ?electron bounce? the electrons that are stripped off the oxygen atoms go into the circuit; this is the by-product of ionisation, electricity! The oxygen atom needs to re-stabilize so to get an electron it takes one from the hydrogen atom. The hydrogen looses its electron to the oxygen atom so it is now just a proton atom. The covalent bond between the hydrogen and oxygen atoms is broken (switched off with very little energy) now the proton atom (formerly hydrogen) floats away from the oxygen atom and the oxygen from the proton atom (formerly hydrogen). Now there is an atom with a nuclease and a proton spinning around it. Under the laws of physics the neutron atom has to re-stabilise and gain an electron the oxygen atom has 5 neutrons so it has to re-stabilise as well, it needs 3 electrons. How dose it do this? Well the electrons that the hydrogen and oxygen lost are now floating somewhere, so the electrons (now that the pulse has stopped) get attracted to the hydrogen that had an electron and the oxygen that had eight electrons. But the hydrogen, because it lost its positive charge has started to move away from the oxygen atom so now the hydrogen gets back its positive charge and the oxygen gets a stronger negative charge they are attracted to one another and want to form the water molecule again. Now the hydrogen is positively charged again and the oxygen is negatively charged again, but now they are attracted to one another! They collide together but not covalently (the hydrogen electrons are not connected to the oxygen?s magnetic field), this violent rejoining makes the molecule so week because the hydrogen and oxygen is not joined covalently, but just with there own magnetic force, very little force holding theme together. Now we are coming the point in the capacitor where the voltage is too high, pulses are still coming and the electrons from the hydrogen and oxygen are starting to accumulate. The capacitor can?t hold it anymore and the voltage is dumped, now because the bond between the hydrogen and oxygen is so week, the hydrogen and oxygen just break apart with very little effort and hydrogen and oxygen is produced on mass thus a gas on demand systems. This may be how Mr Meyer switched off the covalent bond and made hydrogen on demand efficiently and economically.


Step-charging?

If you look at the step charge on an O-scope you will see a curve but a rough then a dip. The first pulse that goes into the capacitor that is insulated by dielectric water is the biggest, that pulse has partly charged the capacitor. But there are more pulses to come. The first and biggest pulse has charged the capacitor now the second pulse comes in; this one is a bit smaller but is added on to the first pulse, these is the first two pulses. The third pulse comes in and is smaller, this one is now added on to the other two and the capacitor is more charged, and the cycle goes on until the break and the dielectric failure. So what is basically happening is that the first version of the step charge comes from the inductor, it dose this by making a magnetic field and then loosing that field, filling in the 50 present duty cycle gaps. Those pulses go into the capacitor and here is where the ?step-charge? happens. The 50 percent duty cycles multiply on one another, charging and discharging the capacitor a few times polarising the molecules and ionising the electrons. Then the big voltage pulse comes smashing the water molecules apart into hydrogen and oxygen. So what is happening in the chokes is that the 50 percent duty cycle is being filled in, no stepping up. The stepping up happens in the water capacitor, when the pulses multiply on one another causing the step-charging, this is how the pulses are stepped up.

Thanks, 

Hydrogen and oxygen ionisation?

This may be one way the Water fuel cell breaks the covalent bonding of the water molecule. The two electrons covalently bonding the hydrogen to the oxygen are stripped of when the oxygen is ionised and looses four electrons, now because the oxygen atom needs another electron it takes it from the much weaker hydrogen atom, when it dose this the hydrogen looses its electron to the much stronger oxygen atom. The reason the oxygen is stronger then the hydrogen is because the hydrogen atom has only one proton whereas the oxygen atom has eight, so the oxygen has a stronger electrical charge. When the oxygen atom takes the hydrogen?s electron it breaks the covalent bond (remember we are only doing this with voltage). The hydrogen electron is the thing that is holding the water molecule together, so when the oxygen atom takes the hydrogen atom?s electron it is breaking the covalent bond. The oxygen normally gets it?s electrons from amp flow, that would be the point where the high currant would flow, but because we are now restricting electron flow the oxygen atom takes the electrons from the hydrogen atom, this breaks the covalent bond.

Thanks,


The nucleus of the atoms, both hydrogen and oxygen?s electromagnetic force is generated by the gyroscopic motion of the nucleus, the faster the spinning motion the stronger the magnetic force, the harder it is to disassociate the water molecule because the bonds are so much stronger; the gyroscopic motion of the nucleus is determined by the electrons spinning around it, the faster the electrons spin, the faster the nucleus will spin, the stronger the molecule bonds. So if the atoms are ionised and loose electrons, the force that spines the nucleus will be weaker so the gyroscopic motion will slow down. When this motion slows down, the bonds are weekend, this and the covalent bonds being stripped make the water molecule week and easy to break apart.

Voltage controls all the other forces, electromagnetic force, week nuclear force and strong nuclear force. If you can control voltage you can control the other three.

 When the voltage gets to a point when the electrons are stripped off, these electrons oscillate in-between the positive and negative plates until the pulse ends and the electrons can return to the hydrogen and oxygen. At this point the hydrogen and oxygen atoms are far away from each other, but just before the atoms have a particle impact another pulse pulls them apart with very little energy.


Ionization?

Natural water is a dielectric liquid, so it has a positive pole which is hydrogen and a negative pole which is oxygen. In normal water the hydrogen electron is not accepted as the oxygen?s electron, so when a high voltage high frequency pulse is applied to the capacitor electrodes when ?dunked? in water, the atoms in the molecules take on an electrical charge. So the oxygen takes on both the hydrogen electrons, but the oxygen has 8 protons (+) and 10 electrons (-) it has ten electrons because the oxygen has a stronger negative electrical charge (because it has more protons than the hydrogen atom so it will take the electron from the hydrogen atom) so as the charge gets bigger the oxygen needs to rebalance so it repels the hydrogen electron, now the hydrogen atom gets a stronger electrical charge and it needs the surplus electrons from the oxygen, all the while this is going on, the hydrogen is elongating away from the oxygen atom. So now the hydrogen takes back the electron from the oxygen atom, and in doing this breaks the covalent bond.

POSSIBLE THOERY ON HOW THE WATER FUEL CELL BREAKS APART HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN?

When the hydrogen?s electrons unite with the oxygen atom there is now an electrical imbalance, because you now have 8 protons and 10 electrons, this is an unstable oxygen atom, so the oxygen atom takes on a negative electrical charge. Now the hydrogen atom is sharing its electron and still has one proton (+) it now has a positive electrical charge, so the water molecule is being held together by an electrical attraction force. So if you submit the water molecule to high voltage fields then you can break the covalent bonding of the water molecule. As you expose the water molecule to a high voltage high frequency pulse in the step-charge wave form, you can strip off electrons, this is the ionisation state. We are now restricting amps and allowing voltage to do the work. at the same time that we are exposing the water molecule to high voltage high frequency opposite polarity charges because the water molecule is a dielectric liquid, so when you expose the water molecule to a high frequency pulse the water will actually take on an electrical charge, so at the same time that we are allowing the water molecule to elongate an change electron time share. so as the water molecule takes on charge the hydrogen atoms positive charge will increase at the same time the negative electrical charge on the oxygen atom is increasing, so as a result the hydrogen is now elongated away from the oxygen, the negatively charged electrons are attracted to the positively charged hydrogen atom, and since the oxygen atom has a negative charge, a repelling action takes place, so we are now switching off the covalent bonding of the water molecule.


Voltage intensifier circuit amp flow restriction?

The SS plates are .5 mm apart and they, when in water, form a capacitor. Now when there is a choke in series with a capacitor you form a "resonant charging choke". When resonance is hit, amp flow goes down to a minimum and voltage goes up to its chokes maximum. What is happening is that when the pulsing circuit goes into the resonant charging choke, a magnetic field is induced; this now restricts amp flow to a minimum and allow voltage to take over and perform its work. We have known for a long time that voltage dose and can do work. Once you restrict amps and allow voltage to take over, voltage dose work without amp flow, there are two aspects to electrical power, there are amps and there are volts, the only time you consume electrical power it is in the form of amps. If you stop amp flow, voltage can now perform work. Voltage is a form of potential energy; it is not consumed, so we are now using potential energy to do work.

Laser gas production?

Now we raise the voltage amplitude so that it goes into the liquid to gas ionisation stage/process. With laser power beaming into the cell, it dose not allow the water molecule to reform, so now we need to take the gas atoms to a higher energy state. Now there is a need for the laser injection cavity, this injects photon energy into the process and is accountable for higher gas yield. The laser lights are just simple Light Emitting Diodes (LED's). there is no need for a very high intensity light, low power is needed for the powering of the Light Emitting Diodes (LED's), but what is important is that the liberated atoms in a gas form must, when going up the input pipe must have all the LED?s focused on one concentrated point, this makes the hydrogen more explosive, and more explosive means less hydrogen in the piston.

Electrons are negatively charged, so when the positive voltage field is made then the electron is attracted to it. So when it gets close to the positive voltage field it moves farther away from the proton. Now because the electrical charge is maintained by the gyroscopic motion of the protons, and the protons are spinning because of the electrons, then if the electron is moved farther out, it will slow down the motion of the protons and lowered the electrical charge. This will weaken and make it easer to break the molecular bond.



Voltrolysiss

Here is yet another version of the ionisation and polarisation process?

Well we know that the water molecule is a dielectric, this means there is a positive end and a negative end. The hydrogen is the positively charged atom and the oxygen is the negatively charged atom, the reason for this is that the electron is negative and the proton is positive. When the hydrogen is connected to the oxygen, the oxygen takes on the hydrogen?s electron. The oxygen now has 10 electrons and 8 protons; it has more electrons than protons, giving it a negative electrical charge. Te hydrogen on the other hand has a positive electrical charge because the oxygen is sharing its electron but the hydrogen atom still has a whole proton (+), this gives it a positive electrical charge.

OXYGEN ? 10 ELECTRONS 8 PROTONS = (-) CHARGE 

HYDROGEN ? ? ELECTRON 1 PROTON = (+) CHARGE

Now the oxygen atom gets a high voltage pulse, stripping off four electrons. So to re-stabilize it takes the hydrogen?s electron. The covalent bonding of the hydrogen to the oxygen is now broken, because the oxygen atom stole the covalent bonding electron, so the hydrogen is now just a proton, but it too needs to stabilise. Now we come into the polarisation process, this gives out a higher voltage to the negative capacitor electrode than the positive one, and charges the hydrogen proton to such a level that it takes back its electron that it lost to the oxygen atom. Now that the covalent bond has been switched off, and the hydrogen is away from the oxygen a final pulse of voltage pulse the hydrogen to the negative capacitor electrode and the oxygen to the positive electrode. When it pulse them there is no resistance because the bond has been broken.



The water fuel cell is not breaking the laws of thermodynamics?

Unlike trying to put energy into an engine to turn a magnet in folds of copper wire, then trying to put the energy generated in the copper wire back into the engine, to turn the magnet. This is no way to go, the circuit will loose energy. But we aren?t trying to do that, we aren?t putting energy into the water fuel cell, and get more energy out but rather, unlocking the hydrogen and oxygen (with voltrolysis (Stanley Meyers method)). The hydrogen and oxygen is already there, we aren?t trying to create hydrogen and oxygen but rather releasing it. For example, with petrol you need to refine it, and then transport it, and the petrel has to power the sparkplug and alternator. Not to mention the millions of years that it took for the creatures and plants to die and turn into crude oil. You will eventually run out of water in the water tanks, just like petrol, there is not a closed circuit loop, over unity, free energy, energy line sucking, vacuum, Zero point energy thing going on (not that non of the above are not possible). There is energy going out, and this is in the form of unusable steam, that is until it is ?re-energised? by the sun, you can re-energise it by shining light at it, but this would consume energy in the for of electricity for shining the light.


The way the hydrogen and oxygen regain there electrons?

When the voltage pulses are applied to the capacitor electrodes, the ionisation process takes place, we now know how this happens, but what was unclear was that now how in the world dose the hydrogen and oxygen regain there missing electrons. Well instead of completely pulling the electrons away completely, the liberated electrons are only momentarily pulled away; note that this happens when the voltage pulses are turned off. The liberated and moving atoms that have missing electrons regain the free floating electrons when the voltage is switched off, so when the liberated atoms gain back there electrons they now have a net-0 electrical charge, which means the hydrogen and the oxygen are now attracted to one another any more, so now they just float to the surface and are now a fuel mixture. So what is happening instead of inputting the hydrogen?s lost electrons which will be electricity, witch will be inefficient, what happens is that the hydrogen and oxygen just momentarily loose there electrons, they are gained back when the pulse ends. That?s why there is an off time in the pulse wave step-charge pulse train, so that the hydrogen and oxygen can re capture there ?liberated? electrons. Another thing to note is that the hydrogen and oxygen is released during the off time of the pulse, because the off time is when the hydrogen and oxygen regain there lost electrons and so can now float to the surface. The step charge wave is not releasing the hydrogen and oxygen, but ionising and polarising the atoms for the moment of release.

Picture it like this, if your electrodes were electromagnets and they were in a bath of iron balls, and then when switched on, the electromagnets will attract the iron balls. Now the electromagnets (SS plates) are consuming energy (   amps) to make a magnetic field and attract the iron balls (hydrogen?s and oxygen?s). This would, as an example, be the ?conventional approach? to electrolysis, but now replace the electromagnets with permanent magnets (volts). Would those permanent magnets be consuming energy? No, but they would be attracting the balls (depending on the strength of the magnets) just the same.

Volts instead of amps, but not just any volts, volt that are pulsed at the right frequency so that it will ionise the water molecule, building charge with each pulse!

People are going for high voltage, but it is actually low voltage. Just in the 10-100 volt range, but in actual fact you need 1000-10000 volts. And we must remember that it?s not voltage that is pulling apart the hydrogen and the oxygen but rather it is stripping off the ?covalent bonding electrons?. Once the electrons are stripped (ionised) the Hydrogen and oxygen simply float apart. When the pulses and, the electrons are attracted to the hydrogen and oxygen, so the hydrogen and oxygen are broken, But the point is that voltage levels are high, deadly high. If you want the voltage levels lower, then put the electrodes closer together, the closer together the less voltage needed (in-fact the voltage hast to be kept to a reasonable amount because we don?t want arching!). The reason that you need less voltage is because the closer the plates are the more force exerted on the water molecule.


Maybe you need the 20 amp fuse because at the start of experimenting you will have high amps at the start, then as you hit resonance amp flow will go down. You need a high amp fuse so that, as you get to the resonating frequency you can have a reasonable amount of amps to work with. That?s my thought any way?



It is important to know how much currant is going into the cell, so here is the equation.

V x A = W. nl0XrP1W

Volts time?s amps equal watts. So, for instance, 100v at 0.1a = 10 watts, so 1000v at 0.1a = 100 watts, Simple!


Basically the water fuel cell is a parallel (two chokes) LC circuit. The frequency generator is attached to (in these unique circumstances) a step up transformer. This makes the voltage very high, but this is not high enough. Then you come to a blocking diode, this is to stop alternating currant. Now we come to the first choke, this is where the resonance is made. As you tune the frequency into the resonance of the LC circuit amps start to go down and voltage goes high. There are two chokes one is variable the other is fixed (not variable). The LC circuit can be further tuned buy tuning the variable choke. This is a resonant circuit because there is a capacitor and two inductors (chokes). Once resonance is hit amp flow will be almost non existent and voltage will go high. The LC circuit is physically separate from the frequency generator, because the electricity is coming in through a transformer.

The water capacitor is very important because this is where it all comes together. The voltages in the capacitor plates are stripping off electrons and don?t acutely move the hydrogen and oxygen atoms. They, because they are not attracted to one another, float apart. If you want less voltage then make a smaller water capacitor!

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I?m from now on calling the ?water fuel cell? the water frequency capacitor, WFC.

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I think that the water molecule is only affected by electrical forces, the reason why is that, the water molecule has electrons and protons, they are electrically charged! So water or no a magnet will work? I don?t think so!

H = (4 * Pi * #Turns * #Turns * coil Area * mu) / (coil Length * 10,000,000)

I was watching a program the other day on how the London underground trains work, very intrusting! It uses high voltage; there is a positive electrode track and a negative electrode track. The actual train causes the voltage stored on the tracks to arch; this is how the train is propelled, but there is a problem with the high voltage tracks, they ?attract positive and negatively charged dust particles blown of the people on the stands when the train goes past? the dust gathers fast and the tracks because the high voltage is attracting it, so it needs to be cleaned regularly. But I just though how much this related to the WFC, I thought if you imagine the rail way tracks as the capacitor electrodes, and the dust in the air as the hydrogen and oxygen, you can really see how voltage can attract opposite charged particles without using up electricity (arching)! It did not take electricity to attract those dust particles because they did not cause the tracks to arch, so it won?t take electricity to pull apart hydrogen from oxygen using volts not amps, provided that you don?t let the high voltage in you capacitors arch. So you can see that the hydrogen and oxygen can be pulled apart by the force of the voltage, but you don?t want a voltage arch, that would be where all attracting force world be lost, and high currant will be consumed.

It work?s both ways, Less amps more volts, less voltage more amps!

 



You can decompose water just by using volts; this is the bare basic, yet a good proof of concept, idea. Using voltage instead of amperage, resonant gas production is the advanced version of the voltrolysis process. Resonance is the frequency that makes the Inductor choke out currant and let voltage go very high, the inductor in series with the capacitor, with the voltage being pulsed at the right frequency creates a RLC (Resonant Inductor Capacitor) circuit. Gas will be made in-between the capacitor plates by just using voltage, 12 volts will make some gas, the gas will be a tiny amount but proves the concept. Voltage is like magnetism, the power is coming from the water it?s self Hydrogen and oxygen.

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This drawing shows how the VIC transformer, diode and chokes would look.

       
For the VIC picture,
1: Ferrite EE core (Two ferrite E cores stuck together).
2: Primary winding 24 gauge wire, 200 turns and secondary winding 28 gauge wire, 600 turns on bobbin.
3: inductor (choke) bifilar wound on ferrite core 600 turns 24 gauge wire.
4: High speed switching diode (diode NTE 5817)

The wires are wound around the bobbin witch will slide onto E cores. That will make a transformer. The bifilar wound inductor(s) create a LC (Inductor Circuit) circuit and the frequency generator will make a RLC (resonant Inductor circuit) circuit. Here is a good website to explain http://www.williamson-labs.com/480_rlc-l.htm.

The other picture (Frequency timeline), is what it would look like in circuit symbols. It shows what happens to the wave form, starting out as square 50 present duty cycle pulses and slowly working up the step up pulse.

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This picture shows how the first stage of the ionization process would look.

Below is what the bifilar chokes would look like, notice how the coil interweaves itself, where the negative is the positive is and visa versa.

Voltage replacing amps, that?s exactly it,

The voltrolysis process is the complete opposite to the conventional electrolysis process, where as in conventional electrolysis may do better with high amperage and low voltage, the efficiency is terrible! If you ?turn electrolysis on its head? you have voltrolysis, 0.00 Amps x 10000000 volts = 0 watts. The replacement of amps with voltage, voltage, if kept at a lower level than that of the dielectric breakdown, will stay in the capacitor (Stainless steel plates) and exert great force on the water molecule by ionization and polarization. Where as with conventional electrolysis there will be great amperage consumed, but if you use voltage you will not consume any energy at all. This is what makes this process so unique, voltage replacing amps.

It is important to look at the inductance of any inductor you use; the reason is that if the inductor is massive and has a big core, then even at low frequencies (1hz) the inductance will be much higher then the capacitance. Resonance occurs when inductance matches capacitance, at that point voltage will go into the thousands and amperage will go to close to zero. Depending on the size of the inductors and capacitors, you should find resonance with a low frequency.

LC (Inductance, capacitance) Resonance will happen as the frequency gets closer to the inductors resonance. As it gets closer the inductance will rise, therefore as the inductance rises it will get to a point where it matches the capacitance of the water capacitor (Stainless steel tubes). At this point voltage will go high and amperage will almost stop. You don?t need any currant to flow for this to work. 
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What bifilar chokes really are?   

They can be positive and negative wound together next to one another, but also, say for instance you have two wires and you?re going to wind them, they are positive and negative. So you wind them next to one another then when you reach the end you will have four wires, two at each end, coming from the coil. If you grab the negative from one end and the positive from the other end and you solder them together, then you got yourself one bifilar wound coil/choke/inductor!

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Re: WATER FUEL CELL: HIGH VOLTAGE: WHOLE PROCESS
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2007, 03:32:15 PM »
Anyone who is entrusted and serious about replicating or helping us replicate the water fuel cell please go to "http://www.waterfuelcell.org/Resources.html" and join the forum!

All help is wanted!

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