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BEP

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #780 on: July 11, 2007, 09:41:33 AM »
@ronotte

Yes. It is a thing of beauty. Your scope shots also excite me...

1. I see the 'three sisters' effect at each CC set. i.e. three pulses in each group  2 lagging 90 from the previous pulse. I'm used to seeing only three groups. The first and last pulse in each group tend to work together to kick the middle one very high.
2. I think what you are calling 'seed' I am familiar with as inductive ringback from the aluminum core. All signals on the aluminum core would be seen as mirror images of the non-aluminum core but weaker, leading and clearly sinus but damped.

When the two are tuned  and working together it should be very exciting. Can't wait to hear of your results.


@EMdevices

On the Lorentz violations... Yes. Unfortunately I believe I do understand how it works. I don't consider that a blessing. I do feel this function is the key to arriving at the point where we light more than a bulb and self-run.
The two most important factors are there must be a vertical (axis in plane Y) solenoid like field that is either not rotating, going the opposite direction (rotation around Y on the plane of Z) or at a different rate than the other - and - the field above it has the axis 90 out from the first or horizontal (axis along X) while rotating centered at the Y axis (rotating on planes X and Z with Y as the equator).

Many things happen then but mainly the normally chaotic particle formations begin to have the chaos cancelled out allowing the particles to flow across the field lines of the vertical field in more useful trajectories. This, of course, creates electricity.

This is the way many have done it and many have claimed to have done it. Ronotte's screen shots do look familiar.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #781 on: July 12, 2007, 07:55:51 AM »
Hello Roberto,

Are you placing the 3 CCs in an equal distance of 120? along the big collector circle (i.e. 120? on the 6" circle)?

If this does not lead to the expected success, I suggest, that you place the 3 CCs in a distance of 120? along the TOTAL COLLECTOR LENGTH.

(circumference of big + small circle divided by 3)

In other words, I suggest:
Mark the 3 thirds of the TOTAL COLLECTOR LENGTH BEFORE you fold the M?bius loop. And then place the 3  CCs on those points.

So 2 CCs would be on the big circle and 1 CC on the small circle.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #782 on: July 12, 2007, 08:50:14 AM »
Hi Gustav22,

.....so many thinghs to do! (yes, I always used to set the CCs only in the bigger loop). You are certainly right: that 's a test that someone has to do!

In my case due to the annular disk presence it's not so easy but for sure all our efforts are now pointing in obtaining power so considering that the only (seems) thing to deal with is the CC...well I'm actually working on it.  In my opinion your wire lenght calculus is also correct so at least for me I'll try it.

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #783 on: July 12, 2007, 07:11:25 PM »
In other words, I suggest:
Mark the 3 thirds of the TOTAL COLLECTOR LENGTH BEFORE you fold the M?bius loop. And then place the 3  CCs on those points.

So 2 CCs would be on the big circle and 1 CC on the small circle.

I will try this configuration when I complete my coils.

I have some, "high power stereo speaker cable," made by Sparkomatic:  SWK116 is, "super heave gauge, dual lead braided copper wire."  Nowhere on the package is the gauge size mentioned.  (116 must refer to the one sixteen foot length per package; it is much bigger than 16 AWG.)  Using my fancy wire strippers, I find that all of the copper strands, on one side, fit snugly in the 12 AWG slot and I can pull the wires out without cutting any strands.  The fit in the 10 AWG slot seems too sloppy.  So, to make a long story short, I think it is 12 AWG.

If I connect the 6" outer-loop and 4" inner-loop with about 2.3" lengths of wire per side then I will have almost exactly three feet total length for each of the dual leads.  Placing my CC's as above would mean one foot spacings along the total three foot length; two on the outside loop and one on the inside.

Six feet total length of 12 AWG comes out to about 6,053 mm^3 copper volume.  Matching copper volume, (mass,) of the total Mobius coil with a 22 AWG primary coil means cutting about 61 feet of wire for the primary.  Matching copper volume of the Mobius coil and a primary coil with a 24 AWG secondary coil means cutting about 97 feet of wire for the secondary.  (Why 22 and 24 AWG?  I have enough of both right now to make the three CC sets.  I would like to use 20 AWG for the primary.  But I do not have enough right now.)

I am making "elongated" spools from round spools right now to accommodate my special 3/4" wide x 1/8" thick speaker cable.  I basically cut three 1.25" white 'Radio Shack' spools in half and I am gluing in four 3/4", (plus a hair,) spacers per spool.  The copper windings will add rigidity and prevent the spools from separating; the spacers just prevent the spools from collapsing inward during assembly and handling.  I epoxied two small squares of shag carpet to a long screw which I hope to use with a variable speed drill to help wind my elongated CC's.  We shall see how this works.

I made a nifty little square wave generator from a 74HC14 chip I had laying around.  My circuit sends three synchronized square waves to the three MOSFET drivers, (thanks again, Jason.)  The second wave starts when the first one ends, the third one starts when the second one ends, the first one starts again when the third one ends.  I use only one 3M trim-pot to change the frequency of all three signals simultaneously.

What I would like to do is set the pulse on-time equal to one-quarter of the primary coil resonant frequency, using a diode at the ground side of the coil.  Then flip a second diode around at that same node and connect it to the ground point of the next coil; using six diodes all around the total path.  In this way I hope to use the relaxing coil to help the circuit drive the next coil in line.  I wonder what will happen.

Then I would like to adjust my pulse on-time from one quarter of the coils wavelength slowly down to only one sixth of the wavelength.  I wonder what will happen.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #784 on: July 12, 2007, 11:08:58 PM »
What I would like to do is set the pulse on-time equal to one-quarter of the primary coil resonant frequency, using a diode at the ground side of the coil.  Then flip a second diode around at that same node and connect it to the ground point of the next coil; using six diodes all around the total path.  In this way I hope to use the relaxing coil to help the circuit drive the next coil in line.

This part reminds me of the cannonball analogy that SM was using.  In this case the electrons will come from ground through a diode and into the "on" CC until saturation when the circuit switches it off and switches on the next CC.  The electrons in the first coil, now switched off, go out through another diode connected to the ground point of the next coil, now switched on.  The original electrons never make it to the positive terminal, they keep getting shot into the next coil, like the cannon balls.

I think a frequency 2X the primary CC resonant frequency might do the trick.  With three, naturally synchronized, 33.3% duty cycle pulses, the second time around the ring will interrupt the first coil from going negative because it will be at the halfway point of it's full resonant cycle.

Blah, blah, blah... I should get back to the lab.  :-\

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #785 on: July 13, 2007, 06:18:11 AM »
Hi, Everybody.

   I am new to this forum and I admire all of you and the hard work you put in the subject. I've been doing
research of OU devices for some time now and i when I came across this topic I was quite excited.
I would like to replicate TPU myself, but before investing time and money in a project, I do my homework.

   I have read all the essential messages in this topic and I must admit, my enthusiasm has faded. Why?

   After the first messages, I saw the video of Jason lighting the light bulb obviously. The power supply
shows 40V input or something after the bulb is fully lit. If the coil returned power to the power supply,
the voltage on the display should go down not up, it is just logical to me. My conclusion is, that the light
bulb was just powered from the power supply via transformer. You all saw what happened after connecting the coil to the battery.

   I was trying to find some info on Steven Mark. Some credentials, website, anything. I thought that the
man called "The Master of Magnetics" or his UEC Corporation should have a website. Nothing I could find. But found this, and you better take your time to read this just in case:  http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html

   Obviously, I watched the videos of SM devices on YouTube. This 38 min video is nicely done, ties, nice
house, furniture etc. But, it proves nothing. Inside the house, many trics can be done like induction,
hidden power cables, batteries, etc. I know what you will say: he took it outside! Right, but look carefully
at the camerawork at that moment; still inside the house camera loses the contact with the person who
carries the coil for a brief moment, just enough to switch it to battery pack. He goes outside, demonstrates
that the light bulb is lit. The same trick on the way back, you loose visual contact with the coil yet
again. It can be switched to anything. This video proves nothing.

   In another video SM demonstrates his device to some people. The date is 1997. If the coil is working,
what took him 10 years, just to make another video. It is just common sense, that somthing is not right
here.

   Did any of you see the device working with your own eyes, not on video? If even so, did you have a chance to test it properly, like running TV for 24 hours? Talk is cheap, seeing is beliving.


   Please don't understand me wrong, I am not writing this to undermine your efforts, I am just looking for
some answers.


   Best Regards,

      Kosmoss

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #786 on: July 13, 2007, 06:48:38 AM »
@kosmoss

Welcome to the SM TPU Research forum. Obviously you have not read far and wide nor deep enough. The stuff you posted is more than misleading.

Start with these condensed readings first.

1. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.2560.html

from Darren (ZPE)

2. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2383.0.html

Stefan's - the webmaster of OU

3. Then when you understand enough, look at Otto's, Renotte's and follow Tao!

cheers
chrisC

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #787 on: July 13, 2007, 06:52:39 AM »
Oh brother!

Another Kokomojo.  He forever haunts the forum!  LOL

Mr. I did my homework, you mean well, I'm sure but...Back to your studies.  We have covered all of this many, many, many, times.  Please do a search of Kokomojo's old thread...LOL  You will save us all the time of writing the same things...again.

Cheers,
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #788 on: July 13, 2007, 07:17:40 AM »
Hello all,

@Kosmoss

1. forget to find patents about the TPU
2. forget the padrak.com shit
3. forget that this videos are a fake

You want or dont want to work.

If yes, you are wellcome but I must warn you: its a veeery hard "job".

If you are a "PC hero" then stand back and let us work.

THE TPU IS REAL!!!!!

Otto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #789 on: July 13, 2007, 08:48:48 AM »
I notice these people every where on the internet. They trust anything negative they read, and automaticaly think there a know it all. Standard ignorant skeptic....

Time TPU was made and size of generator = no batteries to create output...

Works outside = no hidden indoor power source...

Amount of current = impossible power amount being transmitted...

Doesn't work upside down = pointless to fake such difficult task...

Judging by evidence, I would say the amount of money it would take to fake something of this would be more than the amount of money earned from investors...

Thats just MO... ;)

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« Reply #790 on: July 13, 2007, 09:43:14 AM »
Hi Rosphere

.....three feet total length for each of the dual leads.  Placing my CC's as above would mean one foot spacings along the total three foot length....

Yes. I think this makes sense.

I want to also stress two other points which I consider important for a successful ECD replication:

1.) According to my understanding one CC has to be placed directly at/near point PHASE
AND point PHASE has to be directly at/near the bend of the loop (i.e. the bend between the big and the small circle of the collector).

2.)
...I connect the 6" outer-loop and 4" inner-loop with about 2.3" lengths of wire per side ...

By doing this, you are changing the "total collector length" .

I doubt that this is beneficial.
It may be better to not fully "close" the two circles (to "save wire length" which you can then use for the "bend")
and NOT to augment the theoretical total collector length (31,4" = 79,79cm).

Hopefully Otto/Roberto will comment.

PS I hope you find honey  ;)
« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 10:41:02 AM by Gustav22 »

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« Reply #791 on: July 13, 2007, 09:55:52 AM »
Hi Kosmoss

I fully understand your skepticism, as I too share some of your views. However, nobody can prove to another that this TPU either works or does not work in the way SM shows on his videos. It's up to each individual to prove the concept to themselves.

My view having read everything available and experimented myself is that the operation of this device as shown in the videos was faked, using a concealed power supply. However, that does not mean that that I don't hold out hope that the TPU can be made to work without the aid of assisted power. This is what many on this forum are working hard to achieve and I applaud their efforts. I'm sure several of them have their own inner doubts about the validity of SM's videos. Unless SM is prepared to reveal all and substantiate his claim to the point that others can successfully replicate his device(s), then we all have the right to state any opinion we wish on a public forum.

I and others have repeatedly called for Otto and Roberto to carry out some proper tests to establish the true power consumption of the device when powering the lamp load. They know the importance of doing this if nothing else but to confirm to themeselves that it is more than induction lighting their lamp. Their documentation is very good but unfortunately lacks this vital information.

Clive

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« Reply #792 on: July 13, 2007, 10:31:05 AM »
Hello all,

@Gustav22

To your point 1 - yes thats it for the 1. control coil

To your point 2 - youre right - the outer ring and the inner ring MUST BE CONNECTED DIRECTLY!!!!!! or you changed the lenght of the collectors. If you missed this lenght than you missed the 6" TPU!!!! End result - NOTHING!!!

@Hoppy

youre talking about power consumption. Hmmm....in this moment is my power consumption really big.
You and all mst know that we are learning how to build proper coils, how to connect them, how to pulse them......

Its a big and dangerous job. But I saw for a few seconds what a 6" TPU can do when it gets out of control and since then I know whats about such a device.
This means its worth every second that I was working on it and this means that I will NEVER give up. If I need 1 month or 10 years, its worth to rediscover this technology.

Otto

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« Reply #793 on: July 13, 2007, 11:04:10 AM »
...If you missed this lenght than you missed the 6" TPU!!!! End result - NOTHING!!!

Thanks for this clarification.
 ;)

@all
Here is a list of "promising" wire lengths & ratios used by Otto/Roberto on the 6" ECD. I collected these figures from some of their previous postings:

itemlength [inch]length [cm]cm roundedRATIO4" collector12.5631,913226" collector18.8447,88 48 3total collector31.41 79,79805CC primary124.831732020CC secondary629.916001600100

Personal note:
I expect that different relationships between wire lengths lead to favoring of different harmonics in the resulting signal.
« Last Edit: July 13, 2007, 11:43:57 AM by Gustav22 »

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« Reply #794 on: July 13, 2007, 11:25:25 AM »
Hello all,

@Gustav22

the ratios are nice but the last 1600 = 100 MUST and will be changed.

Lets talk about Tesla and Erfinder:

both sayd that the ratio of primaries and secondaries should be 1 : 1 IN WEIGHT!!!!!

A long time ago I wound a little transformer like our controls and used the same weight for primary and secondary coil. This you can reed on Erfinders posts.

End result: I connected 1 bulb on my coil and the voltage dropped a 1/3. Then I connected another bulb and the VOLTAGE AND CURRENT didnt drop!!!! All my analog instruments didnt show any reaction when I connected the 2. bulb.

In my latest tests I saw that really short wires for a control coil are needed.
You remember the open TPU??? I counted arround 15 - 20 turns of lamp wire for every segment. There are 4 segments pulsed with the Tesla patent 390721....

Today I measured the weight of wires. Here are the results, if somebody wants them:

Weight for 10 cm lenght of wire:

wire diameter 0,65mm, weight 0,29 gramms
wire diameter 0,50mm, weight 0,17 gramms
wire diameter 0,35mm, weight 0,07 gramms

I hope this helps a little.

Otto