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Bruce_TPU

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #660 on: July 01, 2007, 06:36:01 AM »
@ Darren

He is a youth.  And there is never a reason to be unkind.  (Well, hardly ever!  Kokomojo was perhaps an exception! LOL) 

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #661 on: July 01, 2007, 06:48:56 AM »
@ Darren

He is a youth.  And there is never a reason to be unkind.  (Well, hardly ever!  Kokomojo was perhaps an exception! LOL) 

Bruce, sorry to appear harsh, but that affords me even more reason suggest he double check his measurements BEFORE MAKING ANY CLAIMS OF OU!

Unless of course he enjoys a good whipping.  :P

There's a great deal to be learned from what has been discussed here since Otto and Roberto made their claims regarding what NOT to do. I suggest you both go back and review it as thoroughly as you yourself have reviewed SM's material.

Darren


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #662 on: July 01, 2007, 07:12:26 AM »
@ Darren,

It would be sad if he has what he claims and to think that remarks like yours could make someone not even want to post.

Big deal if he is wrong, dude!  What have you lost??  A few minutes, and maybe an experiment?

EM Thought he had it and we were excited, but he didn't.  It is okay.  At least they are experimenting with real things...LOL

Bruce  ;D

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #663 on: July 01, 2007, 07:29:45 AM »
Well, first of all Bruce , what would become of this thread and forum if every second day someone posted an IDI and they consistently turned out to be false claims?

Think about that dude. You heard of the story of the boy that cried wolf?

The point I am trying to make, and have tried to make several times, is DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST!

Trust me on this one, people don't like to be jostled around when it comes to claims other people are making. Eventually, if it continues, people won't respond at all, and when the real thing actually DOES arrive, THAT will be sad, because it will be ignored. Get it?

You ask what is the big deal if the claim is false?

Then I ask you this...What is the big deal of doing your homework first?

If I tell you I can drive a 100Watts into a loudspeaker using only a LM324 Opamp output, are you going to take my word for it and start building it? Or would you want to see proof first?

Cheers,
Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #664 on: July 01, 2007, 09:28:18 AM »
First post, Does this thing still need to be umbilicaled to dds/power suppply or not after priming?  It it only needs priming and is then wireless, drive loads!  Is this like the MEG that likes non-linear ,loads only?.. like lamps?  Back to reading this thread on fire before I fall behind.  Thanks for answering in advance.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #665 on: July 01, 2007, 10:37:46 AM »
@Darren,

I've reconnected my old but complete ECD and made a few run. The best freqs are many but I may suggest to use for simulation purposes:

F1= 35 KHz
F2= 105KHz
F3= 175 KHz

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #666 on: July 01, 2007, 05:39:27 PM »
Hello All

While I have heard of Steven Marks of course, and the replications you all have been attempting for a while now, I had not been following the threads on this site. It wasn't until a recent post on a thread on the oupower.com forum that someone brought the parent thread of this topic to my attention. I am glad they did this, as I had not been to this site in a long time.

I have spent several days reading that thread, and the continuation on this thread, so as to get up to where you all were in this. I have finally caught up today.

First, I would like to express my gratitude for finally finding a group of people that seem to understand some of the key elements required to obtain success in this type of technology.

As many of you suspect, or are at least aware, one key to this anomoly is extremely fast switching times. This means that, in most cases, you can't simply take off the shelf waveform generators, and connect them to just any old transistors driving the coils, and expect it to work the same. I have battled this issue myself, but the hardest part I have had is getting others to understand why this extremely fast switching is so important. So whatever you use for your waveform source, you may need to process the output into very sharp and narrow pulses. Longer duration on times are just wasted power. Then take those pulses and fire them at the switching device with as much potential and current that is required to get fast and clean switching. If this requires another IC to be a driver, so be it.

Otto and ronotte, great work. As I was reading, I saw you firing all 3 frequencies into a single primary, or 3 primaries in parallel. This reminded me of some of my older research where I combined the 3 waveforms. I see that you realized, as I had, that each frequency really needs its own seperate winding to get the full impact. I don't want to interfere with your progress, as you are doing very well, and learning much as you go.

As you have probably noticed, signal phasing is VERY critical if you wish to control the beast. As you are also aware, be very careful. If you go into an avalanche, as Otto has experienced, the potential for disaster is there. Test equipment is easy to destroy, but that is not the only danger. If the system is not destroyed immediately, there is potential for an avalanche to continue to the point were a couple hundred thousand amps can flow in a flash, and this can induce a local lightning strike. Lightning discharges are the visible manifestation of the electrical interaction portion of a large induced dominant energy avalanche in nature. I know many of you won't understand this, so the key thing to keep in mind is just be careful.

So many are trying to push experimenters to "close the loop", and I offer this warning. That was my first mistake! When I removed the controlled drive energy while feeding part of the output energy back to the input, it triggered a runaway situation that resulted in an energy avalanche. You MUST maintain control, no matter the energy cost. If you must, put in a charging circuit to maintain a battery, and use that battery to run the control electronics. Do not remove the battery or other tightly controlled power source from the system, as this can lead to unstable operation and a runaway condition.

Be extremely careful with radiated energy. You can do permanent damage to yourself and others around you, as well as cause potentially dangerous interference or damage to electromagnetic sensitive devices. Your energy experiment can cause interference to medical or other instruments that are maintaining life elsewhere, like a neighbors pacemaker, or the radio comminucations of some emergency personell somewhere else. Radiation of harsh EMF is not always required, as fields can be tightly focused inwards, or shielded to curtail the unwanted effects.

On the subject of frequencies, and this seed that is being referred to. The actual frequencies are not usually critical, as long as correct harmonic relationship between the frequencies are observed. Of course the size of the coils, and the materials within proximity of those coils, will dictate what works best for that particular unit. Phase control of these frequencies is a must, if you wish to extract the maximum usable power from the dominant energy field. As was already observed, the seed (or seeds, as more than one are possible) is a localized distortion caused by the nuclear magnetic resonance of materials that are within the near magnetic field of the devices coils. Depending upon how the device is constructed, these may or may not be used to your advantage, but they are not always required to get a useful interaction between the electric, magnetic, and dominant energies.

There are literally hundreds of ways to interact with, and tap into dominant energy. Almost all require some sort of dipole charge seperation somewhere in the system. Some are better than others. Some operate on very low input vs output energy. One (Hendershot Device) operates, powering a load, with no input power whatsoever, however operational stability is not the greatest. I wish I could share the videos with the public, but I am not allowed. Most of these inventors and replicators are very private people that wish to maintain their privacy. Much of my own research has been published, but most of that is related to the integration of the energy technology with other technology for boosting overall performance.

Carry on guys, you're doing great!

Bob Boyce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #667 on: July 01, 2007, 06:03:13 PM »
Good posting, Bob.
According to hartiberlins compilation:
Builders take this for real:

54. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch.
??. A heat sensor buried within the collector coil.
Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures
over voltage.

..dani

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #668 on: July 01, 2007, 06:07:34 PM »
As per Roberto's request for using 35k, 105k, and 175k in the simulation, see attached for results.


Hope this helps.


I think that about does it for me for a while guys. I have my own work and experiments to do, which I am anxious to get started on. There are other reasons as well, but I'll leave it at that.

Regards,
Darren

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Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #669 on: July 01, 2007, 07:05:22 PM »
Hi Bob,

glad to see you here.  Welcome on board.  Please stick around.

Regards, Earl
Hello All
While I have heard of Steven Marks of course, and the replications you all have been attempting for a while now, I had not been following the threads on this site. It wasn't until a recent post on a thread on the oupower.com forum that someone brought the parent thread of this topic to my attention. I am glad they did this, as I had not been to this site in a long time.
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Carry on guys, you're doing great!
Bob Boyce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #670 on: July 01, 2007, 07:11:11 PM »
Great to have you here, Bob Boyce.

Your projects with hydrogen generation are legendary!  That broken diode on the alternator that started it all off - are you able to give us the idea behind why the broken diode was causing the extra power anomaly you observed ?

As far as I could see the pulses from two of the 3 phase coils would each be fed back as DC pulse spikes into the coil with the broken diode.

With regards to phase could you expand on what aspect of the phase is important ?

Are we trying to get pulses exactly lined up ?
Sequentially staggered by a very small amount in time ?

My current thoughts are that the accurate physical placement of the coils in a circle is critical and that the phase timing is to do with how long it takes the magnetic field ( or is it electric field ?) from one coil to travel to the other coils. The idea being that the other coils are pulsed at exactly the right time to coincide with a certain point of the magnetic/electric waveform that is going past the coil. Question is what point in the waveform !!?

Thanks, Bob Rennips

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« Reply #671 on: July 01, 2007, 07:29:17 PM »
Great to have you here, Bob Boyce.

Your projects with hydrogen generation are legendary!  That broken diode on the alternator that started it all off - are you able to give us the idea behind why the broken diode was causing the extra power anomaly you observed ?

As far as I could see the pulses from two of the 3 phase coils would each be fed back as DC pulse spikes into the coil with the broken diode.

With regards to phase could you expand on what aspect of the phase is important ?

Are we trying to get pulses exactly lined up ?
Sequentially staggered by a very small amount in time ?

My current thoughts are that the accurate physical placement of the coils in a circle is critical and that the phase timing is to do with how long it takes the magnetic field ( or is it electric field ?) from one coil to travel to the other coils. The idea being that the other coils are pulsed at exactly the right time to coincide with a certain point of the magnetic/electric waveform that is going past the coil. Question is what point in the waveform !!?

Thanks, Bob Rennips

Hello Bob

I'm sorry, I did not mean to disrupt this thread. There are many that do not agree with my interpretations or terminology. If you would like, we can take this to another thread so we do not disturb a work in progress. Just send me a PM and let me know what thread.

Bob

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #672 on: July 01, 2007, 11:08:17 PM »
Hi Bob,

it's really a pleasure to have you here, you are wellcome! It's a great honor and I do hope you'll help all of us to clear the fog that's still covering mostly of the clear ground.

Roberto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #673 on: July 01, 2007, 11:24:39 PM »
@Darren,

thanks for your simulation Darren, it seems that the peak frequency summation  is really equal to reality. What I don't see is:

 - by product of freqs heterodying ... could you try to just offset the freq values I gave You (like in actual operation...is difficult to centre the exact value) and see the effects?

- signal difference by Phase and Zero point against the ground: on Zero point you should see mostly spike waveform on the first quadrant and the signal are of two kinds: RE spikes and single big spikes between 2 subsequent RE spikes. On Phase point the waveforms are mainly on 4th quadrant and are composed by a sine wave part (initial part)  and a spike part to -600 - 800V, the beginning  (the first -40V) is generally a partial sine wave ...just have a look at my paper.

Please if you need any clarification don't hesitate to contact me.

Hope you will find the time to do that kind of search!

Roberto




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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #674 on: July 02, 2007, 12:38:36 AM »
@Darren,

thanks for your simulation Darren, it seems that the peak frequency summation  is really equal to reality. What I don't see is:

 - by product of freqs heterodying ... could you try to just offset the freq values I gave You (like in actual operation...is difficult to centre the exact value) and see the effects?

- signal difference by Phase and Zero point against the ground: on Zero point you should see mostly spike waveform on the first quadrant and the signal are of two kinds: RE spikes and single big spikes between 2 subsequent RE spikes. On Phase point the waveforms are mainly on 4th quadrant and are composed by a sine wave part (initial part)  and a spike part to -600 - 800V, the beginning  (the first -40V) is generally a partial sine wave ...just have a look at my paper.

Please if you need any clarification don't hesitate to contact me.

Hope you will find the time to do that kind of search!

Roberto






Darren,
yes to all Roberto said,

Thanks for your valuable input. I dont think any of us expected the simulation to take into account the interactions of the high speed field and its effect/interaction with its local environment.

However simulations are fantastic for good circuit design. and a valuable tool in context.Thanks again.

Bob!
I hope that you see fit make an ecd or two with us as well..

BTW I have found that 15" allows more room to experiment.
I have 15"and 13" superglued to rubber oil cooler hose, and spaced with cable ties...

many combinations give light.some are very abrupt! ..It would seem to be better if we could seperately drive the coils ...Its great to have a start point. it is a 3 cylinder engine where the intersection point of the frequencies cause acceleration .
like spinning a bicycle wheel

I have been wondering why (be careful) the units in the videos are started up first ..then the load is applied...
Remember Otto's burn up happened with no load as did mine 6 months ago with a seike type generator.

Any body still building,
make your mosfet /driver sections robust and individual. I suggest  a zener/cap clamp on the mosfet driver power supply.
 It took me 3 goes to see  the value of seperating them.





Lindsay Mannix