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Re: What resonance ?
« Reply #645 on: June 29, 2007, 09:19:49 PM »
Opps...wrong button!

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #646 on: June 29, 2007, 10:31:08 PM »
@all

1) Frequencies will always be subject to the particular device.

2) You will not find one set of frequencies that will work for all devices.

3) There will eventually be a tighter range to work with, as Ronotte is trying to explain, but you will always have to fine tune each one individually.

4) Nature has its own way of dealing with harmonics that is generally not in a uniform, cut and dry manner, such as mathematical or musical designs. Random events can produce the best homogeneous results.

For me, the most important thing right now to find out is, if you are destined to make this device eventually self-operating, then you have to consider the device to be operated in two stages.

First stage start up with only mV input, pulsed into the primary CC and captured by the secondary CC into a capacitor plus capture the BEMF into another capacitor until you have enough power to run the power hungry frequencies (or you have to reduce the power consumption of the frequencies).

If these pulses (without a frequency) can produce enough start-up current, then you know your CC configuration is on the right track and you can then look to stage two.

But if you only look and work on stage two (massive current with frequencies) and the device cannot start-up with only mV's. Then this device will never be self-operating and you will have to re-work the start-up.

So my question would be, can the CCs alone, if pulsed with mVs or 1 volt, produce at least 6 volts into a capacitor. If you can just achieve this one criteria, then things look good and you can start with 1 frequency. If not, then the CC's or the general design has to be modified first to accomplish this. Afterwards you can work to get the right frequencies. Macedonian started a thread on something that could be a good place to start stage one. He's using a bifilar using only a few watts.

So some of you, like me, who are not on the top of the electronics ladder can start doing some easy pulsing tests into the ECD (no frequencies required) to see how this can produce a successful stage one. Maybe start a new ECD thread for stage one only to not crowd these guys. If this is impossible, then the overal design is flawed. While this is being done by some of you, others can continue working to better understand the frequencies, especially, where the hell these frequencies should actually be injected without wasting so much juice.

If any of you can supply any easy (nyophite proof) pulsing circuit that can work on 1 volt or less, 1/2 for the circuit, 1/2 to pulse into the CC primary at around 250,000 cycles per second, I think this will do. If the pulse could be variable, this would be better.

Last point, but you are not going to like it. Stop talking about SM. He is a total distraction to this endeavor. Stop talking about him and start using your own brains. There is over 9000 posts on SM so what more is there to say? Take back your power. THIS IS NOT A TPU, THIS IS AN ECD. The only power that SM's TPU is drawing in, is your will power. Every few posts and someone starts saying SM said this, SM said that, Enough already. I feel like we're being wacthed by the SM police. Who's spending all these hours, days and months? The guy's a loser for having shafted the world and you guys venerate his every word. I can say alot about this but will not say more here. Stefan, I know. Stay tuned to a new thread near you.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #647 on: June 30, 2007, 12:24:39 AM »
@Wattsup or undercover MIB?  ;)
No offence, but there is so much wrong with this post that I don't know where to start:

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1) Frequencies will always be subject to the particular device.
Surely unless you have at least several different sizes of working TPU/ECD then you cannot know this for sure.

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2) You will not find one set of frequencies that will work for all devices.
See point 1.

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3) There will eventually be a tighter range to work with, as Ronotte is trying to explain, but you will always have to fine tune each one individually.
I agree with this if you mean tune the physical device to match the frequency/harmonics/beat frequency.

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4) Nature has its own way of dealing with harmonics that is generally not in a uniform, cut and dry manner, such as mathematical or musical designs. Random events can produce the best homogeneous results.
As I understand it, harmonics are mathematically based on the frequency(ies).
Possibly the amplitude is effected by physical aspects of the setup.

Looks like you're trying to capture BEMF, great if you want a DC-DC converter but of little use otherwise.

The reason we are all analysing what SM is trying to get across to us is that as you know, he has a many working devices, knows how to build one and is by far the best expert to help us out IF his hands were not tied by his contract. Pity about that.
The phrase "re-inventing the wheel" springs to mind, start from scratch if you want but I like to use the picture on the lid of the box when I piece together a puzzle.
You cannot just rubbish a person like Steven Marks, if it was not for him half this forum would be empty and there would be no TPU.
I think that we are starting to make headway and things should start clicking into place very soon.

Regards
Rob

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Re: Successful ECD replication !
« Reply #648 on: June 30, 2007, 10:23:34 PM »
@all

It seems kind of quiet here. Hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers. Tommorrow or Monday I will open a new thread called "Steven Marks - Truth or Fiction" so if anyone wants to debate this question, it can be done there. Sorry for bringing it up here.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, I now have two function generators and I am looking at this third one on Ebay located at;

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Beckman-Industrial-FG3A-Sweep-Function-Generator_W0QQitemZ300124478198QQihZ020QQcategoryZ97199QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Does anyone have any experience with this unit and is it a good unit to bid on.

@ronotte

Do I need to have your last circuit built if I will already have the function generators. If no, where can I find the minimal circuit with mosfets/driver to build to match the function generators since I will be seeing my builder on Tuesday.

My ECD is built and I will try to find a simple DC pulse circuit to try simple pulsing into the coils to see what gives.

All the best.



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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #649 on: July 01, 2007, 12:36:52 AM »
Hello Earl,
some response to the question: "What is resonance ?"
Thermal 2 accoustic:
"I know",the KAPPA is written but not spoken like "Kindergarten" ;

from the saxonic "GOTT" (ex-"IOS"/ from IOVE)to the anglosaxonic "GOD",
the G or J or I is written but not spoken !
Denn er hauchte SEIN, des ES  OD in den Menschen ! The EBENBILD-principle.

so(m)nium to In so(m)nia:em sonho= dreaming

Why this is important:
cause the magnets-memory(Bearden,Radus) and probably
also electrons-memory(Rotoverter) !

resonance: physical MNEMO behaviour,detect-and controlable

S
  dL

p.s.: This explanation is religion group independant,it is only about
        the human tool called/named "language/french"longue",
        the importance is the conversation with the "quantum sphere",
        probably with an instrument like the Flanagan "Neurophone",
        the target is to reach the stadium,where we can use electricity
        with/for  scan-CAD-CIM/CAM-production,
        but at first we have to detect and obduct the "e-GENOM" !



« Last Edit: July 01, 2007, 01:50:43 AM by lancaIV »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #650 on: July 01, 2007, 03:20:10 AM »
@all

1) Frequencies will always be subject to the particular device.

2) You will not find one set of frequencies that will work for all devices.

3) There will eventually be a tighter range to work with, as Ronotte is trying to explain, but you will always have to fine tune each one individually.

4) Nature has its own way of dealing with harmonics that is generally not in a uniform, cut and dry manner, such as mathematical or musical designs. Random events can produce the best homogeneous results.

For me, the most important thing right now to find out is, if you are destined to make this device eventually self-operating, then you have to consider the device to be operated in two stages.

First stage start up with only mV input, pulsed into the primary CC and captured by the secondary CC into a capacitor plus capture the BEMF into another capacitor until you have enough power to run the power hungry frequencies (or you have to reduce the power consumption of the frequencies).

If these pulses (without a frequency) can produce enough start-up current, then you know your CC configuration is on the right track and you can then look to stage two.

But if you only look and work on stage two (massive current with frequencies) and the device cannot start-up with only mV's. Then this device will never be self-operating and you will have to re-work the start-up.

So my question would be, can the CCs alone, if pulsed with mVs or 1 volt, produce at least 6 volts into a capacitor. If you can just achieve this one criteria, then things look good and you can start with 1 frequency. If not, then the CC's or the general design has to be modified first to accomplish this. Afterwards you can work to get the right frequencies. Macedonian started a thread on something that could be a good place to start stage one. He's using a bifilar using only a few watts.

So some of you, like me, who are not on the top of the electronics ladder can start doing some easy pulsing tests into the ECD (no frequencies required) to see how this can produce a successful stage one. Maybe start a new ECD thread for stage one only to not crowd these guys. If this is impossible, then the overal design is flawed. While this is being done by some of you, others can continue working to better understand the frequencies, especially, where the hell these frequencies should actually be injected without wasting so much juice.

If any of you can supply any easy (nyophite proof) pulsing circuit that can work on 1 volt or less, 1/2 for the circuit, 1/2 to pulse into the CC primary at around 250,000 cycles per second, I think this will do. If the pulse could be variable, this would be better.

Last point, but you are not going to like it. Stop talking about SM. He is a total distraction to this endeavor. Stop talking about him and start using your own brains. There is over 9000 posts on SM so what more is there to say? Take back your power. THIS IS NOT A TPU, THIS IS AN ECD. The only power that SM's TPU is drawing in, is your will power. Every few posts and someone starts saying SM said this, SM said that, Enough already. I feel like we're being wacthed by the SM police. Who's spending all these hours, days and months? The guy's a loser for having shafted the world and you guys venerate his every word. I can say alot about this but will not say more here. Stefan, I know. Stay tuned to a new thread near you.


YEP ! feathers ,as predicted...duly..ruffled!

 good points you raised..BUT you have lost it on your last
 paragraph,

I for 1 suggest that your manners and asumptions are in question and let me ask you what point there is in sharing your ungrateful attitude .... I know that you are frustrated but spare  the messenger or messengers from your grief and failure to take responsibility for your inability to reverse engineer something as complex and important as this.  Bring what you can to this ..I have other have recently brought more ...the process is actually working.

Its not for everybody its  HARD ....real hard...and I ask that you think twice...or just once  before exspressing your grief here ... It is of absolutely no assistance to anything here ...even your self.
we will look back at this and say how simple it is...

If you have your own Ideas about another generator..then go for it ..start another thread...make a thread called " I JUST DONT GET THE TPU"  see how long it takes you to get it! Beet stil make one called "I GIVE UP" that will helpsomany people too.. just ignore the videos..the engineer reports..the witness reports..all the snippets of info that help in small ways...
Jump in your hole by all means, you dont need to advertise the fact that you are defeated by some of the info...Info that Im afraid may only be seen clearly with hind sight.

Calling somebody a "loser" merely makes clear to most,who is the loser here. More sadly the loss you cause could be everybodys.

You are lost, thats ok...just be nice!

It is great that you are building ,and i do agree with your first points.But can we please get this thread back to ECD replication?

Lindsay Mannix
« Last Edit: July 01, 2007, 03:47:03 AM by Mannix »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #651 on: July 01, 2007, 05:26:49 AM »
Hey guys,

Just a heads up... An OU claim is coming tonight.  It is a "type" of TPU is all I can say.  They will tell you all about it and post pictures.  Just please do not overwhelm or bombard this person.  But stay tuned, it could be a very exciting night!

Happy, Happy Days!   ;D
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #652 on: July 01, 2007, 05:29:08 AM »
Otto, Roberto, Renotte, Jason, Bruce et al.

I've been doing some experiements and found that you can build a huge electric field that you can capture, transfer and pulse. Imagine entraining the ionesphere by pulsing ONLY the electric field at the schumann resonance. In other words cancelling the effect of magnetic flux. This electric field can be rotated. Electrons will follow the electric field. No flux to hold the electrons back as you are only rotating an electric field...

The salient stuff starts here: (but may need context of whole thread).
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2607.msg37572.html#msg37572

Basically you add some series diodes to both wires of every coil. This allows the electric field to build and hold at phenominal levels. This is not the same as step charging a capacitor. Stick your oscilloscope probe on metal objects feet away and observe the 5-10V (not millivolts, volts) oscillations on these objects. Exactly the same circuit but with the diodes shorted does not exhibit these oscillations on distant metal objects. You can only pick up millivolt mains oscillations at 50hz (60hz for those with 60hz mains AC).

Think of the energy in a tornado, the lightening, due to a rotating electric field. I'm sure I've read, a couple of years ago, that tornadoes emit a schumann resonance electromagnetic wave. Trying to find a reference on this. If any one has a reference on this please let me know.




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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #653 on: July 01, 2007, 05:30:45 AM »
Hey guys,

Just a heads up... An OU claim is coming tonight.  It is a "type" of TPU is all I can say.  They will tell you all about it and post pictures.  Just please do not overwhelm or bombard this person.  But stay tuned, it could be a very exciting night!

Happy, Happy Days!   ;D
Bruce

Rock on!! Could this be Earl's work ?

Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #654 on: July 01, 2007, 05:31:03 AM »
Hi Bob:

Wow! Is this IT?
Maybe we'll induct you into the Hall of Fame, together with Otto and Renotte!

Looking forward to exciting times! Great job!

chrisC

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #655 on: July 01, 2007, 05:40:45 AM »
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?

@ Bob R.
No, not Earl.  And I do not know what time zone this person is in, so that is a good question!  LOL

I enjoy your experiments very much!  Theory only gives direction until proven true/false and that is what experiments are all about.

I am glad that you did what BEP suggested with the diodes on the bifilar.  I was wondering what would happen...

Bob, how can this test ALSO be conducted on the ECD??  This so fits into TAO's statement that SM so approved of.  I am just so excited because piece by little piece we are going to make this happen.  His TPU is (easy, think diode, signal pulses) but it's complexity, very deep.

Happy, Happy Days!
Bruce  :)

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« Reply #656 on: July 01, 2007, 05:52:09 AM »
Listen up guys!

I have been asked to post the pictures and details for them.  When I receive them in my mail, I will start a new thread with the information.  Here is hoping all is accurate...;)

Happy, Happy Days! :)
Bruce

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #657 on: July 01, 2007, 06:16:11 AM »
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?

@ Bob R.
...
I enjoy your experiments very much!  Theory only gives direction until proven true/false and that is what experiments are all about.

I am glad that you did what BEP suggested with the diodes on the bifilar.  I was wondering what would happen...

....
Bruce  :)

NO. NO. This is not what BEP was describing with his 'infinity inductor' and bifilar coil stuff. Reread my thread!!

BEP was talking about using diodes to transfer energy out of a tank (resonating) circuit. I'm doing exactly the opposite. You don't want the oscillations. You don't want a tank circuit where the energy is being stored - oscillations deplete energy. You want only an electric field. An electric field, in this set up, stored in a coil has the potential rising from 12V at one end to 300V+ at the other.

You have to keep the energy IN. The diodes are not there to bleed energy out of a tank as BEP was suggesting. You have to use two diodes one on each end of the coil so that the BEMF cannot get out. If you use one, you do not get this affect, the energy dissapates.

I've already managed to get rid of the 10% oscillations. I can now bang the voltage straight up to 300V. This is pure changing of electric field.

We need to thanks MACEDONIA for putting me onto this route.



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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #658 on: July 01, 2007, 06:26:11 AM »
Hey guys,

Just a heads up... An OU claim is coming tonight.  It is a "type" of TPU is all I can say.  They will tell you all about it and post pictures.  Just please do not overwhelm or bombard this person.  But stay tuned, it could be a very exciting night!

Happy, Happy Days!   ;D
Bruce

Bruce, If your friend has done his homework and due diligence, there will be no need for a barrage of questioning.

However, I would advise that they be well-prepared to be eaten alive if they have not. There have been too many IDI's already, and the troops are restless and may be unkind.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #659 on: July 01, 2007, 06:35:29 AM »
Due to time zones 'tonight' can be hard to determine. How many hours from now approx. will that be ?

Bob, how can this test ALSO be conducted on the ECD??  This so fits into TAO's statement that SM so approved of.  I am just so excited because piece by little piece we are going to make this happen.  His TPU is (easy, think diode, signal pulses) but it's complexity, very deep.

Happy, Happy Days!
Bruce  :)

Any coil that participates in holding the electric field has to be open circuit or it has to be adding energy into the coil - all with two serial diodes per coil. As soon as any coil that is participating in holding the energy is shorted, the energy is transferred to that coil.

****For example, I have a coil and another coil wrapped at 90 degrees to this coil. If you pulse and capture the BEMF as an electric field in one coil, as soon as you short the 90 degree coil, this BEMF energy appears in the 90 degree coil.**** EDIT: This original statement is INCORRECT. Subsequent tests have shown that shorting a 90 degree coil does not affect the stored energy. The statement does apply to a bifilar coil.

The electric field can be measured on the 90 degree coil (collector) when the main coil is storing the pulse.
END_EDIT.

The main concept is to rise the stored capacitance to as large a level as possible whilst at the same time moving this electric field in a circle. I'm getting some very interesting effects when the high voltage oscillations appear on top of the already stored electric field!! This has echoes of the Italian Device.

« Last Edit: July 01, 2007, 04:14:18 PM by bob.rennips »