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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #615 on: June 28, 2007, 08:37:59 AM »
Salve Otto & Roberto,

I am noticing, with worry, like is increasing the complexity of apparatus TPU. The operation principle cannot be searched through the greater complexity, but only through a careful analysis of the elements that have competition to the brust of energy, that you found, like I read in the main document.

You are trying to comprise a physical phenomenon, not been planning a Microsfot software  :) , physics does not go towards the complexity, but towards the maximum simplification.

For example, I noticed that the TPU-ECD device is similar that one constructed from Cooler, the skema as ring, the windings etc. If the experiment of Hans Coler ( http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3752/hcoler1.htm) is not a fake, your experiment have many similar things.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #616 on: June 28, 2007, 08:54:54 AM »
Hello all,

@Bruce

I tried really hard to connect the other 2 controls but its IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

The current from the power supply jumps, the light is lower, a lot of problems.

This IS the reason I builded 3 Mobius collectors in the hope to connect then my collectors and controls somehow and then have the combined output.
And what Im doing is logical because to have a self runner we have to feed back a tini bit of the output power back to the input. In this way its possible.

@Adriano,

dont worry, Colers Patent is NOT a fake. It has just to be understand.

In my oppinion is the TPU not sooo complex. Just a few coils and collectors. Hmmm...

Otto

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #617 on: June 28, 2007, 09:13:15 AM »
Hello all,

@Otto,
you are right, I've still not tried to put the output secundaries in series or parallel but as this's interesting I'll try it this evening. Please let us be updated about your triple big-eye advancing.

@Darren,
 - first simulation step of course is OK but just to check all the standard stuff.

- second step, not so standard, with 2 freqs is to verify that now the peaks are summing up like in the two pics you find attached. That's very IMPORTANT. Please check it also varing the freq i.e. 1st & 2nd harmonic. Now I've not time but soon I'll give you the exact test freq to set in the model.

Roberto



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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #618 on: June 28, 2007, 01:38:12 PM »
@ronotte and @otto

I have just purchased a BK Precision function generator off of Ebay and I have another one in sight. Also, I have now secured someone who will be making the circuits plus a host of other control circuits that I am presently writing the logic requirements.

This will enable me to do alot more testing in many other ways than the present design proposes. I can't wait.

I have a few questions, mind you that yes I am an electro-nyophite, but these questions would assist me in better understanding certain reasons around Otto's circuit.

1) Does the mosfet adversly affect the quality of the frequency coming from the frequency generator? Have you scoped the frequency before and right after the mosfet to see any difference in the purity?

2) Can the frequency leaving the mosfet/driver be directed to the positive side of the primaries instead of the negative side?

3) Can you explain the reason why you are using the mosfets and the driver or how the mosfet and driver are being used in this circuit.

4) Can the frequency be directed to a loop that is not connected to any other wires or power source, without the mosfet/driver. Just a straight frequency fed to a closed loop ring or mobius.

I am attaching a diagram I have been working on since two weeks now, running along the ECD general set-up but with a twist. The power in, load and frequencies can all be on separate lines. Also the load and frequencies can be switched around so you can try sending F1/F2 into the rings and load off the secondaries. The short at T1 can be timed to disrupt power before the current gets to the coil end. I am not sure but maybe a zener diode can be used at T1 to create a short. When the short occurs, power goes to zero, so the zener starts over and over.

I don't think the frequency is sent into the DC circuit at all since it results in dumping most of the power to ground. I think it is used to create a vibrating magnetic field, trying to make it more dense to capture maximum ether. A frequency is already a form of pulse. There is no point pulsing it as well. But you should pulse the dc to create maximum collapsing fields. The short is Erfinders style setup but this can be done in other ways.

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #619 on: June 28, 2007, 02:32:07 PM »
@Wattsup,
You need the mosfet driver because it has a very low input capacitance where a mosfet has a very high input capacitance.
This may not sound like a problem but image your mosfet as being an empty bucket and your mosfet driver is a tea cup.
You can turn on the tap and fill your tea cup up very quickly but filling up your bucket means waiting a long time.
If you turn your tap on too fast the water board company (function generator) complain that you are using your water too fast and cut you off (output stage overheats and shuts down).

@Roberto,
I finished building my first DDS 20 kit last night.  When you come to solder the metal RF screening can in place make sure you do not have the LCD display and rotary encoder soldered in as it is difficult to get at the corners of the RF screen.
When you start the DDS 20 up for the first time make sure that you press the "mode/save" button for more than 5 seconds to enter the setup.
You can then just accept the defaults and the DDS chip will then start working.
You can take the sine wave off the middle leg of the potentiometer R6 or pin 3 of the AD811 socket (IC7).
1V pk-pk.
AD811 gives you a true sine wave (+ve and -ve) but we do not require this (I don't think)

@All,
Next step is to order some divide by 'n', counter and maybe a ripple counter ICs.
This allows you to have 3 harmonic frequencies of say 1-4-7 all in sync.
Plus you only need one master function generator. (Shame I bought 3.... :( dohhh!)

I found a divide by 'n' with dual BCD inputs so this can be connected to 2 of 10 ways rotary switch to give you a division of 2 to 99.
MC14569
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/16766.pdf

Rob

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #620 on: June 28, 2007, 02:50:10 PM »
Rob,

If you want to generate fundamental, first and second harmonics, you are going to require a divide by 1.5.

That's why I posted my circuit a while back.

A divide by integers only circuit will not do this I think.

Regards,
Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #621 on: June 28, 2007, 03:32:14 PM »
@Darren,
If you want to generate fundamental, first and second harmonics, you are going to require a divide by 1.5.

Thats easy, double the master clock frequency and do a divide by 3.
You just need to multiply up all the divisors to integers then use the divide by whole numbers, much easier and a lot more flexible I think you'll agree.
Rob

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #622 on: June 28, 2007, 03:58:32 PM »
@Darren, Rob,

I agree Rob: that's the normal way I followed some time ago and it is valid. Thanks also for your building info about DDS20, hope you will send me your English translation ...when completed! Please find attached a design I made few days ago for freq generation it may be of interest for all.

Darren, the 3 freq are important and should be simulated. I'll give you the correct numbers...but have to reconnect firstly the original ECD to be congruent.

Please take also in account that in actual operation it make sense to set up the oscillators as follows (for standard ECD as per doc TPU=ECD):

F1 in a range 10-40 KHz
F2, F3 in range 100 - 240 KHz set up as 1st and second harmonic, for example 50 and 100KHz synched)

The F1 job is just that of controlling the Seed so it may be asinchronous. Of course if the transition points of this signal are synched as well ....the better.

Roberto


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #623 on: June 28, 2007, 04:21:06 PM »
@Darren,
If you want to generate fundamental, first and second harmonics, you are going to require a divide by 1.5.

Thats easy, double the master clock frequency and do a divide by 3.
You just need to multiply up all the divisors to integers then use the divide by whole numbers, much easier and a lot more flexible I think you'll agree.
Rob

Easier depends on what you want to achieve for flexibility. For pure f1, f2, f3, the circuit I posted is the easiest, and was not meant to be flexible in regards to generating anything other than f1, f2, and f3.

Going back to SM's material, this is what is required, and I tend to stick to what the inventor has told us. Any changes or deviations, and we're no longer building strictly to the few undisputable facts he has given us.

Darren

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #624 on: June 28, 2007, 10:40:52 PM »
Hi Stefan,

pic 2296 has been shot in following conditions:

- test-ECD equipped with only 1 CC (Control Coil) with 2 secondarys.

- Load (60W/230V Lamp) is connected to the second secondary so it happens that it is completely isolated from the ECD itself.

- PS V=+13V.

- PS I= 3.2 A.

- 3 freq used

- sine percent reconstruction about 20%

- no ECD tampering on PS

A brief computing led me to calcolate the COP near the unity.

Roberto


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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #625 on: June 28, 2007, 11:56:47 PM »
@Darren,
Easier depends on what you want to achieve for flexibility. For pure f1, f2, f3, the circuit I posted is the easiest, and was not meant to be flexible in regards to generating anything other than f1, f2, and f3.
Your circuit posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36260.html#msg36260
Not sure if the flip flops U1A & U1B will start off correctly.
Also the duty cycle is a bit strange, and the sync seems lop-sided.
All avenues need exploring so give it a go.

Going back to SM's material, this is what is required, and I tend to stick to what the inventor has told us. Any changes or deviations, and we're no longer building strictly to the few undisputable facts he has given us.
Do we know for a fact that the frequency ratios are 1 : 1.5 : 3 ?
Did ELV get back to you about shipping to Canada?
Email customer services and ask Stephanie about shipping.
I am still translating the manual into English and I will add  some of my own photos.
[edited]
Attached is a very rough copy of what I have so far:

Regards
Rob
« Last Edit: June 29, 2007, 01:08:32 AM by MeggerMan »

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #626 on: June 29, 2007, 01:07:04 AM »
Sorry Ronotte, but  as i see IMGP2296 i guessed the bulb brightness consumes about 30W, and  now i see your specs and the input power is in that range. Looks like ecd is a transformer up to now. ??
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #627 on: June 29, 2007, 02:22:39 AM »
Sorry Ronotte, but  as i see IMGP2296 i guessed the bulb brightness consumes about 30W, and  now i see your specs and the input power is in that range. Looks like ecd is a transformer up to now. ??
d.

No Dani, not a transformer of power.  You are thinking Watt for Watt (my guess is you are an engineer? :) )  What we see with the ECD is power CONVERSION.  The DC input is nothing.  We see the creation of electricity.  And no it is not OU yet, but it is simply a matter of time.  Please reread the start of this thread and the .pdf compiled by Otto and Roberto.  Both of whom are well seasoned men, both in years and experience.  There would not be this level of excitement if all we were doing was inverting DC to AC.

Build one Dani and help us!

Happy Days!  :)
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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #628 on: June 29, 2007, 03:19:01 AM »

Attached is a very rough copy of what I have so far:


Rob,
could also post the schematic of your DDS20? Thanks.

Peter

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Re: Successful TPU-ECD replication !
« Reply #629 on: June 29, 2007, 06:02:25 AM »
@Darren,
Easier depends on what you want to achieve for flexibility. For pure f1, f2, f3, the circuit I posted is the easiest, and was not meant to be flexible in regards to generating anything other than f1, f2, and f3.
Your circuit posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36260.html#msg36260
Not sure if the flip flops U1A & U1B will start off correctly.
Also the duty cycle is a bit strange, and the sync seems lop-sided.
All avenues need exploring so give it a go.

Going back to SM's material, this is what is required, and I tend to stick to what the inventor has told us. Any changes or deviations, and we're no longer building strictly to the few undisputable facts he has given us.
Do we know for a fact that the frequency ratios are 1 : 1.5 : 3 ?
Did ELV get back to you about shipping to Canada?
Email customer services and ask Stephanie about shipping.
I am still translating the manual into English and I will add  some of my own photos.
[edited]
Attached is a very rough copy of what I have so far:

Regards
Rob

Hi Rob.

The circuit I posted works well in the sim, and I did mention in that post that Dave (CTGLabs) built it and it worked straight away for him. The duty cycle is a slight problem as I mentioned (66% instead of 50%), but later in a post ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2535.msg36268.html#msg36268 ) I suggested that the outputs be followed by a one-shot with adjustable pulse-width. Many people are doing this anyway. Many ways to skin this cat, just choose your favourite I suppose.

I'm not sure what you mean by ratios of 1:1.5: 3. The circuit divides as follows:

Master (f3)-->/1.5 (f2)-->/2 (f1). Am I sure that SM means fundamental, 2nd harmonic, 3rd harmonic? ...Pretty sure I suppose. This is what he says exactly:
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The first frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.

How do you interpret the above?

I did email customer service at ELV, and she wrote back that they do not ship to North America. I posted this a while back also. I'll keep looking.

Thanks,
Darren